Tired of Citra, Mosiac, and Galaxy NE IPAS

[Dgallo]

A note on one that doesn't work..... I tried a "British Bitter" version of a NEIPA..... basically used maris otter, flaked wheat and a bit of victory malt to bring color in around 4-5 SRM. Used 1318 yeast. Used small amount of target at 60, and then big whirlpool additions of EKG and big dry hop on day 2 of EKG.

Looked good on paper. The reality was otherwise.

Had a can of Hill Farmstead Nelson last night - it was great. Not always a fan of Nelson hops, but it was really good. Likely because they get the prime lots of Nelson Hops to go with their great beers.

I have an amber ale on tap right now that is basically my NE IPA, but with additional Caramel malts..... I used Horizon, Centennial, Cascade. That is a really good combo in hoppy ambers - I think it would translate pretty well into NE IPA as well.

I can’t say I’ve ever had a bad experience with Nelson. Brewing or commercial version. It’s one of my favorites. My brother in law just did a kettle sour NE IPA using Nelson and blanc. It was terrific

 

[kevink]

I can’t say I’ve ever had a bad experience with Nelson.

Same here. It's such an awesome hop. Too bad it's so hard to get and usually so damn expensive when you can find it.

 

[couchsending]

Bad Nelson is straight machine oil/diesel fuel. It was really bad there for a few years. Supposedly that has a lot to do with harvest time. The limited amount of 2017/2018 I’ve been able to get my hands on does t seem to be as bad.

Riwaka has the same issue.

 

[ong]

I’ve been experimenting with cheaper “tropical” hops for these beers.

I’ve done a few single hop versions — Mandarina Bavaria is really nice, if a little subdued, and Calypso is also good. And I really like all-Summit hazy beers.

 

[ba-brewer]

Bad Nelson is straight machine oil/diesel fuel. It was really bad there for a few years. Supposedly that has a lot to do with harvest time. The limited amount of 2017/2018 I’ve been able to get my hands on does t seem to be as bad.

Riwaka has the same issue.

I just gave zappa hops a try and diesel is the prominent flavor/aroma I get from that hop.

 

[shoreman]

Forgot to mention Eureka - another amazing underutilized hop.

Try Azacca/Eureka or Columbus/Eureka. Last one I made was fantastic - Eureka/Comet with Kohatu (2oz dry hop only).

 

[Jag75]

And fanny packs have been around for 30 years and now are trendy.

Doesnt mean I have to jump on board the trendy train.


And in 3...2...1....

Omgosh , my stepdad still wears one lol

 

[Chris-Naz]

Nice thread.
I’m liking comet/simcoe, mosaic/motueka and apollo/simcoe/cascade, cascade/Apollo/comet (cheap!), Vic’s/mosaic is pretty badass also.

 

[SanPancho]

Just noticed a yvh sale of “buddy” hops and they had comet and azzaca. Anybody wanna second that suggestion?

 

[Dgallo]

I broke my own rule of the thread lol. They were out of motueka so I had to go with citra. But the Medusa 60% /Huell Melon 25%/citra 15% came out so solid. A true stone fruit/nectarine profile. Matched perfectly with London ale III

 

[SanPancho]

getting to really like Denali/Chinook. No 60 min charge though. Denali at 20 and the the rest at 2, W/P and dry hop

What do mean by “the rest”?

 

[Dgallo]

I think he mean his first addition is at 20. Then the rest of the hops he is using will be at 2 mins, the whirlpool, and dryhop

 

[SanPancho]

obvious.

Im referring to the fact that he has called out only denali. Does the “rest” refer to chinook? A blend of both? At each addition? Or are some additions single hop? Etc.

 

[ProblemChild]

obvious.

Im referring to the fact that he has called out only denali. Does the “rest” refer to chinook? A blend of both? At each addition? Or are some additions single hop? Etc.

Sorry - not so clear there.

Really meant that single hop type (Denali) at 20, and Denali/Chinook combos for all remaining additions. If any other hops used to supplement, add those at 2 min and after.

 

[SanPancho]

Got it.

Ive been thinking of that combo in my head as i heard there was a claim of chinook becoming fruity in bio transformation.

Couchsending suggests denali/dorado/zythos. So now im thinking maybe i sub the zythos for chinook. Combine both suggestions.

 

[ProblemChild]

Got it.

Ive been thinking of that combo in my head as i heard there was a claim of chinook becoming fruity in bio transformation.

Couchsending suggests denali/dorado/zythos. So now im thinking maybe i sub the zythos for chinook. Combine both suggestions.

I personally have found pineapple on the nose when Chinook is used as a late-primary fermentation addition. Couple that with Denali additions and you may have a wonderful pineapple flavor.

For that , I am thinking that Simcoe would add some balance to that equation. Not sure of timing just yet (will work on that) but Simcoe should do nice things. Or better yet - Waimea with Denail/Chinook!!! Oh, I like that......

 

[VirginiaHops1]

Got it.

Ive been thinking of that combo in my head as i heard there was a claim of chinook becoming fruity in bio transformation.

Couchsending suggests denali/dorado/zythos. So now im thinking maybe i sub the zythos for chinook. Combine both suggestions.

You ever use the zythos? I've never used it but have 8 oz I'm going to open soon and probably use heavily in a NEIPA. I also have 1 lb of chinook I need to start using too and I was thinking putting them together, albeit lesser amount of chinook to zythos

 

[CascadesBrewer]

The bad news: I have a Citra/Mosaic NEIPA in the fermentation chamber.

The good news: I have a Azacca/El Dorado/Lemon Drop NEIPA in the chamber as well!

I am not very original. Citra/Mosaic is a brain dead combo...the other was from a commercial beer I enjoyed.

 

[radwizard]

Idaho7, Comet, and Sabro get it done for me. I've been doing them raw with Kveik.
Cheers!

 

[Miraculix]

Did anybody ever try a noble hops only neipa? I'd love to try one. Saaz/Mittelfrüh neipa!

 

[JimRausch]

Last NEIPA was a Centennial,Citra,Falconers Flight, and Moteuka. Plus spruce tips. I really liked it but it didn't do too well at competitions- too much spruce.
Currently have one I'm about to bottle that's using some hops I got at Homebrewcon- Loral, Cascade, Idaho7 and Idaho Gem,and two experimental hops with promising flavor descriptions. Plus I've cut the amount of spruce tips by 1/2. We'll see in a week or two.

 

[jjw5015]

I'm doing a columbus, centennial, HBC 342 one this week. Love buying the cheap pounders on MoreBeers Hop Market. I truly think the yeast is the catalyst of these styles. Every hop combo I've done comes out tasting very similar. Short of doing something like an all Galaxy or Nelson hop bill.

 

[Northern_Brewer]

I'm not sure that Zythos qualifies for this thread given it's a blend, allegedly of Simcoe, Citra, Palisade, and Amarillo....

 

[zebradeltaone]

Bela, El Dorado, Ekuanot

 

[wepeeler]

Did anybody ever try a noble hops only neipa? I'd love to try one. Saaz/Mittelfrüh neipa!

Kent Falls brewing in CT does a Pale Ale with noble hops. It's weird but very good.

Not sure if anyone here has used Apollo hops for a neipa, but I'm brewing a Citra/Apollo neipa this Thursday. I've heard good things about Apollo.

 

[hezagenius]

Kent Falls brewing in CT does a Pale Ale with noble hops. It's weird but very good.

Not sure if anyone here has used Apollo hops for a neipa, but I'm brewing a Citra/Apollo neipa this Thursday. I've heard good things about Apollo.

Apollo is really good in NEIPAs, I think, and blends well with Citra. Brings a nice dank and sweet quality to it.

 

[ong]

Mosaic: super tired of it. Too sweet and cloying.
Galaxy: can’t afford it.
Citra: still love the aroma. Giving up on cryo, though.

I’ve recently made some really good single-hop NEIPAs with Idaho 7, Mandarina Bavaria, and Summit.

 

[couchsending]

I don’t think I’ve made a Citra/Mosaic beer in 2 years maybe and I’ve probably brewed more than 100 hoppy beers in that time.

Made some all Citra beers, all Mosaic beers, and all Galaxy beers but haven’t combined them in a long time.

Three brews this week focusing on inexpensive yet high oil content hops on the hotside then the good stuff for the dry hop.

Generally warrior for bittering and 20. Nugget in the WP. Then a large charge of whole leaf hops in a hopback. I’ve done Galena, Centennial, and Chinook.

Galena will get all a small amount of Nugget and a lot of Citra in the DH. Nugget + Galaxy in the Chinook beer, Citra, Galaxy, Nugget in the Centennial beer.

I did do a mostly Simcoe WC IPA with a blend of Simcoe/Citra and a touch of Mosaic in the dry hop. Been loving Simcoe lately. Stuff I have is very fruity, hardly any pine and no cat piss.

 

[CascadesBrewer]

I did do a mostly Simcoe WC IPA with a blend of Simcoe/Citra and a touch of Mosaic in the dry hop. Been loving Simcoe lately. Stuff I have is very fruity, hardly any pine and no cat piss.

I thought I hated both Simcoe and Citra after having several commercial beers 3 or 4 years ago that smelled like a glass of cat urine. I am not sure if it was the crop year or harvesting process, but I get very little of that these days. My girlfriend appears to be more sensitive to that smell/taste than me and she has a hard time detecting a Citra beer these days.

 

[Jayjay1976]

I like a bunch of huell melon and mandarina in several late additions and wp, then dry hop liberally together with rakau. Made a really nice DIPA with those last fall, think I'll brew it again soon.