Tired of Citra, Mosiac, and Galaxy NE IPAS

[Miraculix]

OK for the sake of it, and because I am having about 150 g low alpha saaz in my freezer which I have to get rid of, I'm gonna brew 14 litres of noble hop only neipa. Bittering with Perle (also need to get rid of that one) and all the rest saaz.

Which yeast would you choose, Bry 97 or us05?

Does 14g hops per liter sound all right?

 

[Jayjay1976]

OK for the sake of it, and because I am having about 150 g low alpha saaz in my freezer which I have to get rid of, I'm gonna brew 14 litres of noble hop only neipa. Bittering with Perle (also need to get rid of that one) and all the rest saaz.

Which yeast would you choose, Bry 97 or us05?

Does 14g hops per liter sound all right?

I've thought about trying this too, looking forward to your results..

I did brew an IPA with all newer German hops, I used hallertau blanc, mandarina bavaria and huell melon. It was pretty good but not as fruity as I expected. Mild stone fruits, some citrus and green herbaceous notes with a pleasant floral aroma. After several weeks in the fridge the h. blanc became the dominant hop flavor and was really nice.

 

[JabatheNut]

Next weekend I'll brew an IPA and because I'm a bit on the nut side and f$% Citra, I'll use small ammounts of Styrian Wolf, Cascade, Polaris, Azacca, Ekuanot and El Dorado at WP and the last 3 at DDH.

 

[JabatheNut]

I've thought about trying this too, looking forward to your results..

I did brew an IPA with all newer German hops, I used hallertau blanc, mandarina bavaria and huell melon. It was pretty good but not as fruity as I expected. Mild stone fruits, some citrus and green herbaceous notes with a pleasant floral aroma. After several weeks in the fridge the h. blanc became the dominant hop flavor and was really nice.

Add some Cascade, I like MB!

 

[Dgallo]

OK for the sake of it, and because I am having about 150 g low alpha saaz in my freezer which I have to get rid of, I'm gonna brew 14 litres of noble hop only neipa. Bittering with Perle (also need to get rid of that one) and all the rest saaz.

Which yeast would you choose, Bry 97 or us05?

Does 14g hops per liter sound all right?

I don’t know if it was simply because I was new to homrbrewibg when I used it but I used bry-97 on 4 different occasions and each time the beer came off much more harsh in bitterness. I have since rebrewed 2 of this beers using A24 and they were much smoother. Like I said though idk if it’s a true correlation or my own personal process improvements

 

[VirginiaHops1]

Just kegged one very heavy on Cashmere with also some Calypso and Columbus mixed in. I'll report back in a few weeks if it's any good. First time using cashmere

 

[Mer-man]

OK for the sake of it, and because I am having about 150 g low alpha saaz in my freezer which I have to get rid of, I'm gonna brew 14 litres of noble hop only neipa. Bittering with Perle (also need to get rid of that one) and all the rest saaz.

Which yeast would you choose, Bry 97 or us05?

Does 14g hops per liter sound all right?

4g/L is 1lb/bbl

 

[AM1]

Instead of combining hops at each stage in equal amounts, use different hops at different times. You’ll probably be amazed at the difference it makes.

Citra @ 10 or 5
Mosaic in WP
Galaxy at Terminal Gravity
Mosaic at 58*

Personally I hate the taste/smell of all the mosaic/citra beers. Especially ones dry hopped during fermentation.

Galaxy in its own is tits
Vic Secret in its own is amazing

I’ve got these going now

Sabro/galaxy/Vic Secret
Moutere/Motueka/Riwaka

Motueka/Citra is awesome

Cashmere/Citra is rad

Mosaic/Nelson

Nelson/Galaxy

The list goes on and on.

Denali/El Dorado/Zythos is nothing but pineapple.

All the new South African hops are available now. According to the guys at Cellarmaker Southern Passion is a top 5 in the world hop... and those guys know more about hop varieties than most breweries out there.


Or try what Trillium does with street beers and use only Columbus hot side and dry hop with one hop plus a little Columbus.

Been meaning try this with Nugget instead of Columbus but haven’t found any good nugget recently.

What ratios for a citra/motueka neipa (heavy on malted oats) would you recommend for a bomb tropical result?
many thanks!

 

[couchsending]

What ratios for a citra/motueka neipa (heavy on malted oats) would you recommend for a bomb tropical result?
many thanks!

Motueka heavy on the hot side and Citra heavy in the DH. Motueka is kinda odd. It’s really limey when used hot but not that punchy in DH. I’d maybe add one other hop to the DH.

 

[danylp91]

Scored 100g (~4 oz) of each Styrian Cardinal, Styrian Fox and Styrian Dragon...sounds like a great hop bill for a New Styria IPA haha

 

[couchsending]

Scored 100g (~4 oz) of each Styrian Cardinal, Styrian Fox and Styrian Dragon...sounds like a great hop bill for a New Styria IPA haha

I've only brewed with Fox I think. It's actually incredibly potent but it also has aspects like Sabro (or did when I used it). I got a ton of dill out of it when I used it as a single hop in a beer. It also had really strong
tropical fruit flavors/aromas but the dill was equally as strong. Intersted to hear how this turns out. I think they could be cool hops to use, just have to figure out how to use them best.

 

[AM1]

Motueka heavy on the hot side and Citra heavy in the DH. Motueka is kinda odd. It’s really limey when used hot but not that punchy in DH. I’d maybe add one other hop to the DH.

i have some sabro, riwaka, idaho 7,mosaic,rakau, hbc630, galaxy and nelson- you reckon i can use any to support the dry hop and have the tropical bomb im after?

many thanks

 

[danylp91]

I've only brewed with Fox I think. It's actually incredibly potent but it also has aspects like Sabro (or did when I used it). I got a ton of dill out of it when I used it as a single hop in a beer. It also had really strong
tropical fruit flavors/aromas but the dill was equally as strong. Intersted to hear how this turns out. I think they could be cool hops to use, just have to figure out how to use them best.

I'm not saying I will brew it in a week or two, but when I do (and when I taste) I will let you know!

 

[couchsending]

i have some sabro, riwaka, idaho 7,mosaic,rakau, hbc630, galaxy and nelson- you reckon i can use any to support the dry hop and have the tropical bomb im after?

many thanks

I hate Sabro so that’s out for me. Riwaka is interesting but can be really diesely. HBc630 has some really cool red fruit character but also is kinda earthy. If you want something different than Mosaic and Galaxy then I’d suggest Nelson or Rakau If you want the most “tropical” punch without using Mosaic or Galaxy. But again I’d smell everything and go with what smells best.

 

[AM1]

I hate Sabro so that’s out for me. Riwaka is interesting but can be really diesely. HBc630 has some really cool red fruit character but also is kinda earthy. If you want something different than Mosaic and Galaxy then I’d suggest Nelson or Rakau If you want the most “tropical” punch without using Mosaic or Galaxy. But again I’d smell everything and go with what smells best.

sweet. thanks for the nice insights- ill give rakau a shot then!

 

[HopsAreGood]

Next beer I’m brewing is a single hop Eclipse ipa. (Formerly HPA-016) I got 12 ounces of it from YVH. Hop Products Australia are apparently pretty excited about it. It’s the first Aussie Hop to receive a name in 7 years I believe.

 

[couchsending]

Next beer I’m brewing is a single hop Eclipse ipa. (Formerly HPA-016) I got 12 ounces of it from YVH. Hop Products Australia are apparently pretty excited about. It’s the first Aussie Hop to receive a name in 7 years I believe.

Based on my experience I’d maybe curb your enthusiasm for this hop. It does have a very strong orange/tangerine note to it but it also has a ton of Anise/Black Licorice. Like overpowering amounts
of it. I ordered some 2020 crop around this time last year from Australia and it was very fresh. I’ve heard that this character actually can fade over time. I’ve actually got a few pounds of it that I’m intentionally oxidizing in my freezer that I was thinking of using again here soon.

 

[HopsAreGood]

Based on my experience I’d maybe curb your enthusiasm for this hop. It does have a very strong orange/tangerine note to it but it also has a ton of Anise/Black Licorice. Like overpowering amounts
of it. I ordered some 2020 crop around this time last year from Australia and it was very fresh. I’ve heard that this character actually can fade over time. I’ve actually got a few pounds of it that I’m intentionally oxidizing in my freezer that I was thinking of using again here soon.

Yeah, I saw your post about the anise/black licorice when you brewed with it, and I agree with you about some of these crazy Aussie hops benefiting from some age. (2019 enigma was incredible)

The hops I got are from 2020 so I’m going to see how it goes. All the reading I’ve done on it seems to make it sound incredible...but that could just be hype.

https://craftypint.com/news/2523/Total_Eclipse_Of_The_Hop
Apparently HPA are so confident In it that they are scaling up the acreage to make it their third largest variety. The guys in this video seem like d-bags but it’s interesting nonetheless.

 

[CascadesBrewer]

Instead of combining hops at each stage in equal amounts, use different hops at different times. You’ll probably be amazed at the difference it makes.

Along these lines...I have been seeing a lot more research these days about different hop oils and about how different levels of oils in different hops make them better suited for different usage (boil, whirlpool, early fermentation, late fermentation).

Scott Janish has done a great job of combining hop research in his book ("The New IPA") as well as his blog and various podcast appearances. His recent publication has a lot of good science-heavy info: Dry Hop Best Practices: Using Science as a Guidefor Process and Recipe Development - Scott Janish

The latest episode of The Bru Lab podcast (Episode 011 | Brewing With CO2 Hop Extract w/ Dr. Marshall Ligare) also had some great info on categories of hop oils and discussion of solubility vs volatility. The Brü Lab

I tend to brew more American IPAs and Pale Ales myself. Part of me really wants to dig into brewing great NEIPAs, but that style dominates so many tap handles that it is hard to get motivated to brew them at home.

My last NEIPA (which was a year ago) had several ounces of Centennial on the hot side, and in the first dry hop charge. The theory being that Centennial has a lot of "good" hop oils and is a good hop for biotransformation as well. I want to play around with Idaho-7 in that spot on a future brew.

 

[day_trippr]

fwiw, I've been working on a Sierra Nevada Fantastic Haze clone using Azacca, Idaho 7 and Strata.
First semi-guided effort (SN is awesome about listing ingredients so one just has to work on ratios and timing) was excellent and pretty darned close to the prototype...

Cheers!

 

[Teufelhunde]

, I can't untaste citra and mosaic. Nothing else I've brewed comes close.

^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^^^

 

[wepeeler]

^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^^^

Haven't brewed a Citra/Mosaic in awhile until 2 weeks ago. (I was trying other hop combos, with decent success.) I reworked an older recipe, built up from RO water, and man o man, I hit the nail on the head for my personal taste. I think I'd still go a bit more bitter, but Citra/Mosaic is a hard combo to beat. I think I may try this same recipe again and DH with a touch of Galaxy. I'm sending some out in a beer trade soon, so hopefully I'll get some unbiased feedback.

I have Idaho Gem sitting in my freezer that I ordered about a year ago. Not sure how to incorporate it, but I may try a little in the boil and then DH with the rest.

 

[gello22]

I'm not a fan of too much tropical but my favorite so far that still tastes like a NEIPA:
5gallon batch yes there is some citra
whirlpool
Ekuanot 2oz, azacca 2oz, cascade, 2oz, citra 1oz
dry hop
ekuanot 2oz, azzaca 2oz, cascade 1oz, citra 1oz

and a nice grapefruit juice;
wp: 2oz each cascade, ekuanot, centenial, citra
DH: 2oz each cascade, ekuanot, citra

 

[Spivey24]

fwiw, I've been working on a Sierra Nevada Fantastic Haze clone using Azacca, Idaho 7 and Strata.
First semi-guided effort (SN is awesome about listing ingredients so one just has to work on ratios and timing) was excellent and pretty darned close to the prototype...

Cheers!

Would love to know the amounts and timing you used of each.

 

[VirginiaHops1]

sweet. thanks for the nice insights- ill give rakau a shot then!

I hated Rakau. Thought it had a strong fig-like quality that I didn't like much.

I did a Nelson-Motueka light hazy a few batches ago that turned out great.

The thing about taste is it's so subjective though. I love reading other people's opinions/experiences but I do try to use every ingredient myself whenever possible to form my own opinion.

 

[LostHopper]

Most of my IPA/APA home brewed beers are focused on Centennial without being extreme in amounts. I've found that the timing of boil additions, playing with whirlpool and dry hop amounts brings out different characteristics. I'm not strictly Bells-like and will use Azacca, Amarillo with Centennial post boil. (Galaxy with Centennial is a favorite though)

 

[day_trippr]

Would love to know the amounts and timing you used of each.

Soitenly! I've been working from this SN page Fantastic Haze | Sierra Nevada Brewing Co.
Note there are actually five hop strains used.
This was my first go...

Cheers!

 

[LostHopper]

Soitenly! I've been working from this SN page Fantastic Haze | Sierra Nevada Brewing Co.
Note there are actually five hop strains used.
This was my first go...

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Cheers!

What's the ingredient cost for that batch?
Even for 11 gallons that hop bill adds up.

 

[MicroMickey]

I guess I'm a retro kind of guy. My favorite IPA uses Centennial and Amarillo. I get a very clean bitterness and aroma.

 

[day_trippr]

What's the ingredient cost for that batch?
Even for 11 gallons that hop bill adds up.

I buy everything in bulk which helps, but these neipas do indeed come in pretty high on the all-up cost.
This one was $76 plus ~$5 worth of propane. Hops were $27.05.
But it's all relative: neipas are expensive for breweries, too, so a pair of full kegs represents around $300 worth of bought cans

Cheers!

[edit made to reflect 10 gallons to the taps ]