Lovely day that one, we do get the odd ones!Lovely looking beer there Dunc, and the view beyond isn't bad either!
Keg that.com have a great selection and will deliver to Sweden, just put a note on the order saying Homebrew member.Unless things improved dramatically since last year, I *strongly* advise against that!
Imports of hop products into the EU are regulated rather strictly and anything above 500g will be difficult to import.
Hell, even just getting my parcel containing only 200g of hops through customs took ages. They requested a description of every single item in the package, thinking it might be hops.
It's really sad because themaltmiller has by far the best selection of more exotic yeasts and bacteria, but it's just not working.
In this case, keep it really simple. 5% medium english Crystal, 10% medium invert sugar, rest Maris Otter. 30-35 ibis from goldings, one bittering addition, one ten minute addition and if you want a small dry hop, something like 1-2g/ litre.I'm planning to brew a sequence of English-ish beers soon: a bitter, a mild, a porter/stout. Based on the tireless educational effort on this forum, I want to try and incorporate some dark invert sugar (or rather: the bastardization of dark invert sugar that I am able to produce in my home kitchen) in my bitter and mild, but I have trouble finding recipes. I usually wing most of my beers, but I am willing to learn and using sugar in a low ABV beer seems sort of counter-intuitive to me, so I really need some guidance here.
I know there are a number of recipes on the "Don't mention another word about farclay merkins" blog, but I find it very hard to choose among the recipes and often don't even know what the beers are supposed to taste like, how they compare to one another, etc. Also, I think these historical recipes often (more or less silenty) reflect at least in economic and regulatory conditions that I am not affected by (I wouldn't add an ingredient just because it's cheaper than malt or because the government dictated its usage at the time etc).
That's what I just wanted to write, if it tastes fine, everything is as it should be!On the other hand, the sample, altough rather yeasty and a bit green still, did not taste overly sweet or "thick".
Maybe about 70% AA is just about what I want for this recipe if it is to become a recurring "house stout".
In this case, keep it really simple. 5% medium english Crystal, 10% medium invert sugar, rest Maris Otter. 30-35 ibis from goldings, one bittering addition, one ten minute addition and if you want a small dry hop, something like 1-2g/ litre.
Choose one of the English yeasts you like, my suggestion would be imperial pub but I'm a fan boy, so don't listen to me regarding the yeast. If you want dry yeast, verdant IPA is the only good one but it is massively fruity. I would probably try co-pitching with Nottingham now, to see if I could control the fruityness a bit this way. Ferment around 19c. Room temp after day two.
@monkeymath there is some information in this thread about milds
Feedback on English Dark Mild Recipe?
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I recently brewed this one without the late addition hops and thought it tasted good
Machine House Mild Clong
I bought their ‘Inkeeper” kit which purportedly is the Timothy Taylor Landlord clone recipe.
Since then I’ve brewed it a few times using the all grain recipe on their website. Not sure if Michael Dawson put this one together, but I’m sayin’ ya can’t tell this one apart.
Cool, thanks for the advice! I suppose this is for the bitter? And for the mild, reduce the hops, up the crystal a wee bit, add some chocolate malt?
The last English yeast I've used was 1469 and I really liked it, but I don't want to settle on one yeast strain prematurely. I think I'll give Pub a go, have heard great things (mostly, but not only, from you ). It should work well for all English style ales, right? Maybe even a more hop-forward pale ale of sorts?
I've come across this recipe before; seems to be a very popular beer the amount of late hops struck me as odd - not that I'd ever had an actual mild, just based on how I imagine it to taste (and on Orfy's Mild Mannered Ale, which I made a while ago), but I thought maybe it just wasn't what I was looking for. Good to hear you liked it without the late hops!
It doesn't use any invert, though, which I've wanted to explore. And I wouldn't know how to incorporate it into an existing recipe.
I have yet to use it in a stout though...
A bit too sweet for my palate, but there are ways to compensate for that if one wants to brew something similar! Their bitter, London Pride, was my basic inspiration for Miraculix Best, I love the flavour of that one, it is just a bit to sweet for me too. The cask version of it though... WONDERFULL!Fuller's Porter is plenty tasty.
A bit too sweet for my palate, but there are ways to compensate for that if one wants to brew something similar! Their bitter, London Pride, was my basic inspiration for Miraculix Best, I love the flavour of that one, it is just a bit to sweet for me too. The cask version of it though... WONDERFULL!
There are southern and northern bitters, afaik. The more north, the less pronounced sweetness and the more bitterness the beers tend to have. The term "bitter" in regards to beer style does not actually have to reflect the bitterness of the beer. When I first arrived to UK, it really took me some time to understand that. I did not even know what a bitter is, never heard of that beer style in Germany before. I was just seeing all these beers which were apparently very bitter, why else would somebody write that on the front label?Truly?! I'm halfway through a four pack of London Pride. Eh. Labeled as an 'Amber', whatever that means. Comes across more as a pale mild than a bitter. Then again, I'm sure the hop/malt balance takes a big hit during the trans-Atlantic cross-country travel.
There are southern and northern bitters, afaik. The more north, the less pronounced sweetness and the more bitterness the beers tend to have. The term "bitter" in regards to beer style does not actually have to reflect the bitterness of the beer. When I first arrived to UK, it really took me some time to understand that. I did not even know what a bitter is, never heard of that beer style in Germany before. I was just seeing all these beers which were apparently very bitter, why else would somebody write that on the front label?
I believe near the end of the first thread there is some discussions on using invert in a mild and the results.Cool, thanks for the advice! I suppose this is for the bitter? And for the mild, reduce the hops, up the crystal a wee bit, add some chocolate malt?
The last English yeast I've used was 1469 and I really liked it, but I don't want to settle on one yeast strain prematurely. I think I'll give Pub a go, have heard great things (mostly, but not only, from you ). It should work well for all English style ales, right? Maybe even a more hop-forward pale ale of sorts?
I've come across this recipe before; seems to be a very popular beer the amount of late hops struck me as odd - not that I'd ever had an actual mild, just based on how I imagine it to taste (and on Orfy's Mild Mannered Ale, which I made a while ago), but I thought maybe it just wasn't what I was looking for. Good to hear you liked it without the late hops!
It doesn't use any invert, though, which I've wanted to explore. And I wouldn't know how to incorporate it into an existing recipe.
Only one thing I just learned the hard way, always make a starter, unless the pack is just two weeks old, then you can gamble and pitch it directly. I have to throw away a recent batch because the severe underpitch of few month old package killed the beer.
yes I'm also having difficulties to find the marmelade flavour, I have got a hint a couple of times but usually not. I think it was @Miraculix that mentioned it might have to do with how much (invert) sugar used in the recipe, but I still haven't got around to test that.My last use of Pub was a 200 billion cell packet, quite fresh, in a 3 gallon batch of beer. I didn't get a single shred of orange marmalade or fruit from it. I guess I'm theorizing you can overpitch it as well.
I also used First Gold hops for the first time in it. I mentioned a while back they'd been sitting on a bench for sale as they were supposedly no longer going to be carried. I mixed them 50/50 w/ EKG throughout "just in case". In the end I didn't really like the beer. Well - I did, I drank it, but it wasn't as good as my earlier iterations. This one had a rye flavor of sorts perhaps from the yeast, maybe the hops, and a pine / spice thing almost certainly from the hops. Turned out more like an American Pale with a little too much Crystal in it.
Still looking for that elusive marmalade thing.
How warm did you ferment at?
Yes, that is true. And this is the solution I think:yes I'm also having difficulties to find the marmelade flavour, I have got a hint a couple of times but usually not. I think it was @Miraculix that mentioned it might have to do with how much (invert) sugar used in the recipe, but I still haven't got around to test that.
Simple sugars can stimulate ester production a bit. How warm did you ferment at?
@tracer bullet
I just made a separate post for this but I figured the people in this thread are the people to ask this question to. I made a British brown ale today and undershot my OG pretty substantially. Supposed to be 1.046 and ended up at 1.041. I was planning on using Wyeast 1469 west Yorkshire to get some nutty/fruity notes but this yeast has a pretty low attenuation and I need this beer to finish dryer (already slapped the slap pack tho so i need to use it). I think I’m going to copitch Nottingham since I on the fence about using that anyway. My question is should I add both at the same time or add the West Yorkshire first, wait for it to finish and then add Nottingham to finish it the rest of the way? If I add both should I add a half pack of each or all of both?
I just made a separate post for this but I figured the people in this thread are the people to ask this question to. I made a British brown ale today and undershot my OG pretty substantially. Supposed to be 1.046 and ended up at 1.041. I was planning on using Wyeast 1469 west Yorkshire to get some nutty/fruity notes but this yeast has a pretty low attenuation and I need this beer to finish dryer (already slapped the slap pack tho so i need to use it). I think I’m going to copitch Nottingham since I on the fence about using that anyway. My question is should I add both at the same time or add the West Yorkshire first, wait for it to finish and then add Nottingham to finish it the rest of the way? If I add both should I add a half pack of each or all of both?
That would also be a good idea. Inverting the sugar before would be even better.I'd add some sugar to bump the gravity and just pitch 1469
I saw some recipes calling for inverted sugar anyway but I didn’t include any, maybe I should do that. Would you recommend just bumping it up a few points worth?That would also be a good idea. Inverting the sugar before would be even better.
I do not know your recipe, so hard to say.I saw some recipes calling for inverted sugar anyway but I didn’t include any, maybe I should do that. Would you recommend just bumping it up a few points worth?
@Sleepy_D might help to share your recipe
Good call, this was my recipe:I do not know your recipe, so hard to say.
But in general, invert sugar is almost a must for an English recipe. It certainly does not hurt!
You could also just let it ride. It will be fine.Good call, this was my recipe:
80% Marris otter
7.5% caramel 60
5% flaked barley
5% victory
2.5% crisp chocolate
0.9 oz EKG @ 60
0.05 oz magnum @ 60
0.1 oz EKG @ 5
I know that looks light on hops but everything I make ends up overly bitter if I just go off IBUs, I usually scale down 20-30% and that ends up about right (at least to my taste)
this was supposed to end up at 18 SRM, OG 1.046, IBU ~20
actual OG was 1.041
Yea this is very “don’t worry have a homebrew” territory lol just want to make the best beer I can!You could also just let it ride. It will be fine.
I would also just let it ride... I mean you could throw in some invert, there would be no harm, it could actually improve the beer a bit, but it is not a must.Yea this is very “don’t worry have a homebrew” territory lol just want to make the best beer I can!
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