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This thread lost the plot a long time ago.
This thread lost the plot a long time ago.
I have been watching this thread to see how long it takes to get moved to the drunken rambling forum.
you talkin hot-side or cold side only?
the LODO stuff on the hotside seems like a PITA. I think hotside LODO only really matters for malt forward styles. For a NEIPA I think limiting O2 post fermentation (including during dosing of dry hops) is all that really matters for that style.
I do both. Once I got the hot side right (took a couple tries) I couldn't go back because the product it makes i prefered so much more than what i had been doing for years before.
Yes and no. It's a change. In the end it's not that much more work, it's just a little different and requires attention to certain details. I can see how it's not for everyone though, but it's second nature now.
Not so in my experience. It's a hard thing to describe but the flavor of low oxygen wort has a particular sweet and clean quality that i never could get with standard methods. Prior to low oxygen on the hot side i couldn't stand the taste of wort. There is an astringent bitterness to it. First time I knew i had the hot side figured out I knew because i drank the whole hydrometer tube and it was amazing. I've done low oxygen on everything from IPAs, to stouts, to a variety of lager styles and it's been enlightening to say the least.
Limiting oxygen post fermentation is important for all styles if you want to maintain the flavor. No beer is immune from the effects. Whether you care or not seems to be the topic of great debate.
Yep, no beer should have hop flavor...leave that for fruit salad. Brilliant. Personally, I like the flavor of hops. If you don't, there's plenty of malt bombs out there for ya.
Y'all act like there's actual fruit or fruit juice in these beers. News flash, they're just beer, flavored with real hops to provide real hop flavor. I'm sorry you don't like hop flavor. Perhaps you should head over to the wine cooler section....
OP is living rent free in folk's heads lmao
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You could say that same about OJ as IPA...
Any pictures of your setup?
I brew in a manhattan apartment with limited space. I think creating a LODO setup on the hotside would be challenging with the space I've got.
There are some who have similar space constraints and have done 2.5G batches successfully.
You just had to whip that out. Gives me the feeling what it would have been like being at the urinal next to Wilt Chamberlain. [emoji15] I’m deleting the pics of my rig. Nice! I like it!
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I bet you can make some great CLEAR IPA on that thing!
I love the conical/Penguin setup. Pressurizable conicals are my next upgrade.
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why limit himself to just a single brew of ipa when he can reuse his equipment and make several ipas and all the other styles. Cheers
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There are many types of clear IPA's. And then there's that murky OJ stuff some folks want to call IPA cause it feels good.
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It's called a neipa. It's the most popular style these days apparently. So much so a member actually made a thread to complain about it. Cheers
I can’t make a truly clear IPA anymore between the massive kettle additions and massive dry hop additions. However it’s not MURKY like that NEIPA trash.
I do mostly German lager styles... pils and marzen are my favorites. Pils and IPA are always on tap. The third rotates between things like the marzen, out stout and doppelbock. Usually a malty style.
There's no OJ in a NEIPA. Malt, hops, water and yeast....beer. Some people around here like beer.
Gravitysucks
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I have to admit that I'm a clear British ale snob and rarely like anything else but I had an opportunity to go to lunch today with an old friend, first time I'd had a chance to go out in about 9 months, and he turned me on to a few beers that I never would have given a second look. The first was a Lagunitas IPA that while a bit hazy was something I could see myself buying, often. The second was an IPA from Lone Pine Brewing here in Maine that was also hazy and really good. The third wasn't an IPA but a slightly hazy saison from Allagash called River Trip that was excellent. I might have to rethink my attitude toward non-clear beers which at my age is no easy task.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.... In retrospect it would have been better for this thread to be called "Make IPA not look like OJ again" or "Reclassify NEIPA as Murky OJ'ish Ale".
Plenty of good IPA's have some "haze" to them but those are a far cry from the glasses of fruit juice that sparked my post.
So this heretofore dumb-ass thread might be salvageable after all 
Cheers! (Living in the midst of all the wonderful real NEIPAs where the classics aren't the total murk-bombs that pretenders purvey...)
Cheers! (Living in the midst of all the wonderful real NEIPAs where the classics aren't the total murk-bombs that pretenders purvey...)
lowtones84
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- American-Style Pale Ale
- Juicy or Hazy Pale Ale
- American-Style Strong Pale Ale
- Juicy or Hazy Strong Pale Ale
- Session India Pale Ale
- American-Style India Pale Ale
- Juicy or Hazy India Pale Ale
- American-Style Imperial or Double India Pale Ale
- Juicy or Hazy Imperial or Double India Pale Ale
Only if brewers start labeling their beer this way.
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^^What NeoBrew said...
But at least there is more definition and a distinction that allows a Juicy Pale Ale. The latter is more along the lines of most I've had where other flaws (off-flavors, aromas, chalky mouthfeel etc..) didn't make the thing unbearable to drink. At the rate things have been on, the BA might as well create a "Not so good Beer" category...
But at least there is more definition and a distinction that allows a Juicy Pale Ale. The latter is more along the lines of most I've had where other flaws (off-flavors, aromas, chalky mouthfeel etc..) didn't make the thing unbearable to drink. At the rate things have been on, the BA might as well create a "Not so good Beer" category...
This happened again to me this evening. Went to a new small brewery in town. Indicated I was not interested in a hazy IPA, received blank stare...
“What do you consider hazy? We’ve got this pale ale which is only a little hazy...” WTF? I’m more convinced than ever the NEIPA have just created an excuse to not care if beer is properly conditioned.
I opted for a flight and both the IPA and pale ale were clearly influenced by the NEIPA thing. A little hoppy, not very bitter, and a fuller mouth feel.
Strangely the pale ale was reminiscent of horse radish. I think it was some strange combination of oniony and aromatic hops...? Both were not either a pale ale or an “American IPA”, yet I, the consumer, could not discern without actually trying them. The bartender was clueless to discern the difference between a west coast and east coast IPA.
I’ll say again, if you like NEIPA, and have access to the magical brews that I’ve never been lucky enough to try, good on you. For the rest of us try not to ruin the entire craft beer industry for us.
What’s next? Cloudy Bud Lite?
“What do you consider hazy? We’ve got this pale ale which is only a little hazy...” WTF? I’m more convinced than ever the NEIPA have just created an excuse to not care if beer is properly conditioned.
I opted for a flight and both the IPA and pale ale were clearly influenced by the NEIPA thing. A little hoppy, not very bitter, and a fuller mouth feel.
Strangely the pale ale was reminiscent of horse radish. I think it was some strange combination of oniony and aromatic hops...? Both were not either a pale ale or an “American IPA”, yet I, the consumer, could not discern without actually trying them. The bartender was clueless to discern the difference between a west coast and east coast IPA.
I’ll say again, if you like NEIPA, and have access to the magical brews that I’ve never been lucky enough to try, good on you. For the rest of us try not to ruin the entire craft beer industry for us.
What’s next? Cloudy Bud Lite?
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I don't get the idea that it gives permission to not worry about brewing clear beer. Does anyone really have to work hard to get clear beer? Mine drop clear with no more effort than adding whirlfloc.
It would appear so.
I think there are a couple reasons why this style receives a lot of negative press.
First is the name. It's called an IPA but it's 'clearly' not an IPA, and I think some people interpret this as a marketing gimmick.
Second, many NEIPA brewers go out of their way to make them as cloudy as possible and then post pictures showcasing precisely this feature, but they'll swear up and down this was never the intent. Then you unearth old posts from them or like-minded characters asking how much flour to stuff in the brew kettle. So it comes across as being fake or at least contrived.
I think if it had a different name, it wouldn't be mocked the way it is.
First is the name. It's called an IPA but it's 'clearly' not an IPA, and I think some people interpret this as a marketing gimmick.
Second, many NEIPA brewers go out of their way to make them as cloudy as possible and then post pictures showcasing precisely this feature, but they'll swear up and down this was never the intent. Then you unearth old posts from them or like-minded characters asking how much flour to stuff in the brew kettle. So it comes across as being fake or at least contrived.
I think if it had a different name, it wouldn't be mocked the way it is.
Mer-man
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1. I now have to ask what the clearest beer is. Often it’s a sour.
2. Look up Tuborg Rå. It’s literally the normal beer with protein resuspended after filtration.
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... I can already see a commercial comparing a glass of murk to a bright Bud Light. Dilly-Dilly!
Why is it clearly not an IPA? What are IPAs known for? Intense hops. The only difference between an old school IPA and a NEIPA is when the hops are added.
Just omit the beer then.
I don't know wtf this means....
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Oh, I forgot another thing. There's a tendency among some NEIPA enthusiasts (present company excluded) to get totally triggered when someone says they don't like the style. So there's that urge to be mischievous and kick the ant hill.
Um...that door swings both ways.
But, what you have yet to see on HBT is a hazy IPA fan starting threads hating on clear beers...
Cheers!
But, what you have yet to see on HBT is a hazy IPA fan starting threads hating on clear beers...
Cheers!
Jako
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i brewed a rad clear IPA before work today. killed it on my brew house eff today also 77% i normally run 65% go me. i had to re plan my hop additions during my boil.
15# pilsin malt
4 oz of hops in the beer
2 oz of cryo hops for dry hop
15# pilsin malt
4 oz of hops in the beer
2 oz of cryo hops for dry hop
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