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Swung by my shop and grabbed another - might brew this wkend
Weyermann Barke Pilsner - I made FIRE!
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I want to make sure I got it right. Most munich malt is kind of like base malt, a mix a different types of barley to get a certain flavor profile, then malting that. But Barke is a specific breed of barley that is malted into munich malt. Kind of like Maris Otter is for pale malt?
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Bingo. Barke is a barley variety, and like Maris Otter, it's out of date as far as farmers and maltsters with an eye on the bottom line are concerned, but superior from a brewing perspective. Weyermann makes single variety Pilsner, Vienna and Munich from it.
Thats great. I seem to prefer the flavor of the single variaty malts over the brands that are a blend of different ones. I am looking forward to doing a taste test between bestalz, barke and skagit valley.
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Single variety malts also have a great advantage in being consistent within the lot. That is, when you see a number on a certificate of analysis for most malts, it's an average value, and no one kernel in your sack probably meets all the specs. This is because every variety malts differently under the same schedule of time, temperature, moisture and so on. It's easier on the maltster to blend varieties to average out to a proper response to the process, but that means the malt doesn't necessarily actually perform in the brewhouse as you'd expect. But the maltster can use a standardized process and not tweak every aspect. The maltster, using a single variety, has to plan, monitor, and adapt the process to each lot of grain, a PITA. But the result is a malt that really meets the specs on the sheet and won't have some kernels under or over modified, over or under on glucan, etc., that can present problems for the brewer.
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This is especially true of floor malted barley because they have much less control over the conditions compared to pneumatic maltings used by the bigger maltsters. But hey, call it craft and people will pay more for it.
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I don't know the flavor contribution from the base malt or the melanoiden. I am definitely picking up a breadiness I haven't noticed before in my pilsners. But 1) I've never use the barke male, and 2) I've never added melanoiden to the recipe for a pilsner before - I found that latter idea while looking at a pilsner recipe from @Gavin C (my brother from a different mother). I suppose I could make a batch without the melanoiden, but with my success here I'm reluctant to change!
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It's my fault, I made this malt available to homebrewers int he US, I should have just kept it for myself.
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This is true of ANY type of malt, be it single variety or a multi-varietal blend. Even the kernels on a single acrospire will not all have the same weight, protein content, diastatic power and so on and that's coming from a single plant. Considering there's an average of 30.000 kernels per kilogram of malt that's really not an issue, if the samples were taken and analyzed correctly you will get results consistent with that analysis for the whole lot.
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... go on please ...
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I'm taking credit for Denmark -- an uninformed LHBS clerk let a curious purchaser buy 5kg out of one of my sacks. I laughed and said, well maybe he'll want his own sack next time
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Must be 5 o'clock somewhere.
That looks delish! ^
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And hopefully soap-character free?
I was going to say the same thing... must have figured out his problem.
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Soap free. Can't say I figured out anything though. Batch before this was an ocfest, also soap-free.
I did dump 7 kegs at one time a couple months ago - hope I never have to do that again.
Woof. I must've missed that chapter. Sorry for your loss.
Must say you took it better than I would
Must say you took it better than I would
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It was the beer gods' way of saying it was time to leave the worldly materials behind and move on to the divine substance of Barke.
If you have a LHBS that carries Weyermann, they should be able to order for you. Or you can get it from Northern Brewer...or I like Hop Craft Supply in Michigan, they carry it and you can order in pounds or ounces for an exact recipe. Shipping is pretty quick too.
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LHBS needn't actually carry Weyermann even, only need to be a BSG customer.
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I got another bag of the barke pilsner and another bag of the barke vienna. Not really sure what I'm going to do with the vienna yet. Vienna Lager is an obvious choice, but I might use it like maris otter and make an IPA or PA out of it.
Make weiners!
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What is the difference between the Barke and say the Bohemian Pils malt?
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Barke is the Barke variety of spring grown malt, while Bohemian uses Czech spring barley variety Bojos and Tolar. Both produce a very distinct taste in your beer just different, you'll have to try both to see what you prefer, I alternate between the two.
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Note also that Weyermann produce two Bohemian pilsner malts. Both use Bojos and Tolar barleys, but one is pneumatic and one is floored. I definitely prefer the pneumatic over the floor malt. Floor malting sells just because it sounds crafty and artisanal, but by no means makes for a better malt. Pneumatic malts are of course much more evenly modified, consistent and better performing products. The Bohemian was my favorite Pilsner malt before I tried Barke.
bumping this question.
I've used Pelton for my last 4 pilsners/lagers and have been very satisfied. I may give this a shot as well.
Problem is, I only brew once every 6-8 weeks so it's hard to do a side by side comparison.
How do you store your grain and how long does it usually take to go through a sack of grain?
I have thought about buying sacks of grain but worry about storage and the humidity. (I'm up north of you in Gainesville.)
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I store it in these vittle vaults. Unmilled, that grain will last forever in there as long as there were no weevils. The containers stack. One container will hold more than a full bag.
I keep grain in the garage. The heat is no problem.
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