Other Half Daydream (oat cream IPAs) - all grain clone attempts

[Clyde McCoy]

Its not alot at all, Cloudwater and Other Half did a colab beer with 48 grams per liter which translates to 12lbs per barrel thats roughly 31oz in 5 gallons. I'm quiet sure there are breweries who went even beyond that.

It is a lot and it is "on the high side."

Typical according to many of the breweries who recently shared information to Janish for his book. Also from shellhammer’s study on maximum extraction rates;

Long-version
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/jib.517

Short-version;
https://www.google.com/amp/s/patspi...dry-hopping-lessons-from-tom-shellhammer/amp/

I’d also like to see where it says heady uses 4 oz? Kemmich is open about his hops used but I’ve never seen him talk about a total hop amount. Also, even though Heady holds a special spot in my heart, it is not the same NEIPA( or for OH - Subcategory) that is being brewed today. Today’s beers are far softer, less bitter, more fruit forward. So if I’m trying to brew today’s beer I’m looking more towards OH, Trillium, Eq, TH, Weldworks, Monkish, and others as a source of information on hoping rates than Alchemist.

Yes, I've seen the Lafontaine and Shellhammer study. Their tests use whole cone Cascade hops, not pellets. And they recommend using 1.03-2.07 lbs/barrel, for the record. By historical standards and many professional breweries, 3lbs/barrel for dry hopping is "on the high side." Yes, I'm familiar with all of those breweries. I guarantee you some of them are using less than 3lbs/barrel for dry hopping. I also guarantee you some of them are using more than 3lbs/barrel for dry hopping. Obviously it depends on the target profile for each beer. Not clear to me why you and beervoid are going after me for this.

If you're really trying to use the hottest breweries as sources, enjoy this [old] Shaun Hill quote:

"9 barrels go into the fermenter.
Big Blow off.
Harvest and drop yeast.
7 pounds of dry hops go in.
7.5 bbls of beer come out."

The total quantity of hops in Julius is 3.1 lbs/barrel.

 

[Dgallo]

Not clear to me why you and beervoid are going after me for this.
The total quantity of hops in Julius is 3.1 lbs/barrel.

I was just stating that not a high dry hoping rate and that is very typical. Not specifically getting after you, was just pointing out many of the big breweries and consistently hoping at the level or higher. And like you said sure some beers are dry hoping or hopped in general at lower rates. Your Julius example is perfect for it. The Julius series goes up by hopping rate. Julius<jjjulius<King Julius<King Jjjulius

 

[beervoid]

It is a lot and it is "on the high side."


Yes, I've seen the Lafontaine and Shellhammer study. Their tests use whole cone Cascade hops, not pellets. And they recommend using 1.03-2.07 lbs/barrel, for the record. By historical standards and many professional breweries, 3lbs/barrel for dry hopping is "on the high side." Yes, I'm familiar with all of those breweries. I guarantee you some of them are using less than 3lbs/barrel for dry hopping. I also guarantee you some of them are using more than 3lbs/barrel for dry hopping. Obviously it depends on the target profile for each beer. Not clear to me why you and beervoid are going after me for this.

If you're really trying to use the hottest breweries as sources, enjoy this [old] Shaun Hill quote:

"9 barrels go into the fermenter.
Big Blow off.
Harvest and drop yeast.
7 pounds of dry hops go in.
7.5 bbls of beer come out."

The total quantity of hops in Julius is 3.1 lbs/barrel.

Not going after you just saying compared to what some neipa brewers are doing its not that high.

From the ratebeer description of Julius:
Tree House Julius
Bursting with 3.5lbs / BBL of pungent American hops.

Where did you get the 3.1lbs nr from?

And from flavor perspective I would agree with your argument its on the high side. I dont really get much more punch going higher then 6oz on 5 gallons.
Makes me wonder how to emulate this on homebrew scale.
Especially considering they get better extraction in bigger tanks about 20% more if I remember correctly.

 

[TBryerton]

Anyone see this on other half’s IG today? I don’t put much stock in the grain bill being anything other than maybe forever ever but 300 chloride was not was i was expecting. Maybe they mean finished beer? Like after whatever the malt may contribute?
Forgot to mention this is their open source beer to benefit down on their luck hospitality including breweries. It’s open source like the Sierra Nevada beer was/is

Where was this? OtherHalfNYC on Instagram?

 

[BeerFst]

Where was this? OtherHalfNYC on Instagram?

it was announced on the NYC IG yes. But the actual site is AllTogether.Beer, note that's altogether but with two L's.

there is a link there to download the recipe, artwork etc, which takes you to a drop box.

Its 6.5% roughly so not Maybe Ever cause thats 4.7%

Sorry I meant by %, not by OG target. its only 15% flaked oats and 4% carapils. So I was just suggesting that this grainbill is unlikely to be something more in line with their typical beers. I think we're all on the same page that they are near or above 50% and likely malted.

 

[Clyde McCoy]

Where was this? OtherHalfNYC on Instagram?

Other Half "All Together" recipe:

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/kzcg2ue4...-Together_Recipe.jpg&subfolder_nav_tracking=1

 

[TBryerton]

Now I’m gonna have to get my hands on one of these - specifically brewed by them. I’m guessing it doesn’t actually taste like a typical OH IPA. I’d also be interested to see how it compares to other brewers who decide to use the recipe.

 

[couchsending]

Biggest take away... the ratio of WP to DH.

Just over 1 lb/bbl WP. Almost 4 lb/bbl DH.

 

[Clyde McCoy]

Biggest take away... the ratio of WP to DH.

Just over 1 lb/bbl WP. Almost 4 lb/bbl DH.

Converted to ounces/gallon:

Whirlpool
0.57 oz/gal

Dry hop
1.94 oz/gal

~3.4X

 

[HopsAreGood]

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Biggest take away... the ratio of WP to DH.

Just over 1 lb/bbl WP. Almost 4 lb/bbl DH.

Agreed. I thought the same exact thing. Seeing as this is a 6% beer I’d assume they up the amount of hops in the higher abv beers but keep the ratio similar. Maybe 4 oz whirlpool with 14 oz dry hop.

 

[TBryerton]

One of their recent releases included DDH Green City. Based on this do we really think this is all Oats?

https://otherhalfbrewing.com/beer/green-city/

 

[Dgallo]

One of their recent releases included DDH Green City. Based on this do we really think this is all Oats?

https://otherhalfbrewing.com/beer/green-city/

No chance in my mind. But I’ll let you tonight when this gets tapped

Also a keg of this

 

[TBryerton]

No chance in my mind. But I’ll let you tonight when this gets tapped View attachment 673104

Also a keg of this
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Mohawk Taproom??

 

[Dgallo]

Mohawk Taproom??

Yes sir!

 

[LumberZach]

One of their recent releases included DDH Green City. Based on this do we really think this is all Oats?

https://otherhalfbrewing.com/beer/green-city/

Went through 15 or so pages on their site looking for their ipa's. They never list 2-Row or any base malt in the ingredients list, but sometimes do in the actual beer description.

 

[TBryerton]

Went through 15 or so pages on their site looking for their ipa's. They never list 2-Row or any base malt in the ingredients list, but sometimes do in the actual beer description.

You can search by ingredients, which is awesome: https://otherhalfbrewing.com/beers/?fwp_ingredient_other_ingredients=2-row

 

[braindead]

Anyone see this on other half’s IG today? I don’t put much stock in the grain bill being anything other than maybe forever ever but 300 chloride was not was i was expecting. Maybe they mean finished beer? Like after whatever the malt may contribute?
Forgot to mention this is their open source beer to benefit down on their luck hospitality including breweries. It’s open source like the Sierra Nevada beer was/is

has anyone done the exact math for grams per litre.?
Different measurements everywhere for 23 litres.
Thx

 

[Dgallo]

Mohawk Taproom??

Buddy picked growlers up for us. Really good man. Had the same body as most of their beers.

 

[Clyde McCoy]

has anyone done the exact math for grams per litre.?
Different measurements everywhere for 23 litres.
Thx

Grams per liter of what?

 

[LumberZach]

Brewed mine up yesterday. It's churning along, but really no krausen to speak of. 50/50 2Row/Oat Malt + lactose and 1318.

 

[TravelingLight]

has anyone done the exact math for grams per litre.?
Different measurements everywhere for 23 litres.
Thx

That 300 is likely ppm (parts per million). But we don't know if that's finished beer (doubtful) or how they're treating the water on brew day.

 

[braindead]

That 300 is likely ppm (parts per million). But we don't know if that's finished beer (doubtful) or how they're treating the water on brew day.

I was referring to the hop quantities.
How many grams of hops per litre.

Beer & Brewing published this but its way off.
31g of Columbus definitely isn't 10 IBU. More like 60
MALT & GRAIN BILL
9.4 lb (4.3 kg) pale two-row
1.75 lb (794 g) flaked oats
7 oz (198 g) Briess Carapils

HOPS SCHEDULE
1.1 oz (31 g) Columbus [14% AA] at 60 minutes
1.4 oz (40 g) Mosaic [12.25% AA] at whirlpool
1.0 oz (28 g) Cascade [5.5% AA] at whirlpool
2.9 oz (82 g) Mosaic, dry hop
1.5 oz (43 g) Cascade, dry hop
1.5 oz (43 g) Citra, dry hop
1.5 oz (43 g) Simcoe, dry hop

 

[Clyde McCoy]

That 300 is likely ppm (parts per million). But we don't know if that's finished beer (doubtful) or how they're treating the water on brew day.

To clarify, it's "under 300 ppm chloride" and they're referring to brewing liquor.

 

[Clyde McCoy]

I was referring to the hop quantities.
How many grams of hops per litre.

Beer & Brewing published this but its way off.
31g of Columbus definitely isn't 10 IBU. More like 60
MALT & GRAIN BILL
9.4 lb (4.3 kg) pale two-row
1.75 lb (794 g) flaked oats
7 oz (198 g) Briess Carapils

HOPS SCHEDULE
1.1 oz (31 g) Columbus [14% AA] at 60 minutes
1.4 oz (40 g) Mosaic [12.25% AA] at whirlpool
1.0 oz (28 g) Cascade [5.5% AA] at whirlpool
2.9 oz (82 g) Mosaic, dry hop
1.5 oz (43 g) Cascade, dry hop
1.5 oz (43 g) Citra, dry hop
1.5 oz (43 g) Simcoe, dry hop

Why can't you convert from the original recipe? You want grams per liter?

How many grams in a pound? 453.5
How many liters in a barrel? 117.3

 

[TravelingLight]

I was referring to the hop quantities.
How many grams of hops per litre.

Beer & Brewing published this but its way off.
31g of Columbus definitely isn't 10 IBU. More like 60
MALT & GRAIN BILL
9.4 lb (4.3 kg) pale two-row
1.75 lb (794 g) flaked oats
7 oz (198 g) Briess Carapils

HOPS SCHEDULE
1.1 oz (31 g) Columbus [14% AA] at 60 minutes
1.4 oz (40 g) Mosaic [12.25% AA] at whirlpool
1.0 oz (28 g) Cascade [5.5% AA] at whirlpool
2.9 oz (82 g) Mosaic, dry hop
1.5 oz (43 g) Cascade, dry hop
1.5 oz (43 g) Citra, dry hop
1.5 oz (43 g) Simcoe, dry hop

My bad man. My brain is fried.

 

[weirdalchy]

Just tapped my version of this, this was my recipe.

42% 2 Row
33% Oat Malt
17% Flaked Oats
8% White Wheat
8oz Lactose
London Fog yeast

Hands down the creamiest ipa I’ve ever made. I think next time I’ll drop the white wheat as I’m not sure what 8% is even adding. I only used flaked oats because I bought out the store of oat malt and had to improvise, but I almost don’t want to change this ratio since it’s go good.

 

[Oldskewl]

Attempted an Other Half Oat cream yesterday, but missed my OG by a mile. Was shooting for a 1.060 and ended up with a 1.046 OG. Guessing my Oat Malt wasn’t milled well enough. I milled it separately and it appeared that the husks we broken and loose. My gap was originally set at .025 but haven’t checked it recently. I whirlpooled at 185 and 160 each with 1 oz Citra/0.5 oz Mosaic Cryo/1oz Nelson. I had planned to dry hop with 6-9 oz of hops. But with such a low OG I’m thinking I should scale back to about 3-4 oz. Any dry hop recommendations with such a low OG?

5# 2 row
4# oat malt
1# flaked oat
8 oz Carapils
4 oz Honey malt
3 oz Acid Malt

 

[Brooke]

Just tapped my version of this, this was my recipe.

42% 2 Row
33% Oat Malt
17% Flaked Oats
8% White Wheat
8oz Lactose
London Fog yeast

Hands down the creamiest ipa I’ve ever made. I think next time I’ll drop the white wheat as I’m not sure what 8% is even adding. I only used flaked oats because I bought out the store of oat malt and had to improvise, but I almost don’t want to change this ratio since it’s go good.

Certainly looks great! I’m looking forward to upping the malted oats on my next brew to see how it turns out. What was your hop schedule like?

 

[weirdalchy]

Certainly looks great! I’m looking forward to upping the malted oats on my next brew to see how it turns out. What was your hop schedule like?

5 oz at WP
5 oz at near end of fermentation
4 oz after fermentation and yeast dump for 3 days before cold crash and keg.

 

[royger]

5 oz at WP
5 oz at near end of fermentation
4 oz after fermentation and yeast dump for 3 days before cold crash and keg.

What ABV did you get? 9oz DH seems quite a lot. I was planning on doing one with ~6.4% ABV and ~6oz in DH.