Treehouse Brewing Julius Clone

[bozizle]

How's it chugging along?

This is by far the best IPA I have ever brewed. I really like the lupulin powder for the mosaic and citra...so good!

I dry hopped with the powder as well but since I was concerned for the debris to not settle I used panty hose as a filter to let the flavor soak in but did not add any additional material in the beer. Thanks for the recipe base it worked fantastic.

 

[stickyfinger]

This is by far the best IPA I have ever brewed. I really like the lupulin powder for the mosaic and citra...so good!

I dry hopped with the powder as well but since I was concerned for the debris to not settle I used panty hose as a filter to let the flavor soak in but did not add any additional material in the beer. Thanks for the recipe base it worked fantastic.

I love it when my pantyhose smells like beer...

Hey, do you think you could tell a difference using the lupulin powder vs. pellets?

 

[Jmash]

I love it when my pantyhose smells like beer...

Hey, do you think you could tell a difference using the lupulin powder vs. pellets?

Also interested in the answer. My LHBS is getting cryohops in end of the week and Ill be able to do it 2nd dryhop.

 

[Gustatorian]

Reduced the wheat from 3 to 2# and backed down some of the specialties by about 1/4 or so. Lightened up the body and color just a bit. Came in around 6.25% at 1.013 FG

Hey LL, with those flame-out additions, how long are you letting them sit before you drop the temp for your whirlpool hop additions?

 

[TheHairyHop]

I love it when my pantyhose smells like beer...

Hey, do you think you could tell a difference using the lupulin powder vs. pellets?

there's a very noticeable difference

 

[stickyfinger]

there's a very noticeable difference

more flavor or what? different flavor?

 

[TheHairyHop]

here's a good post

http://scottjanish.com/lupulin-powder-vs-pellets-experiment/

I've had a few, and while there wasn't a side by side comparison, I could definitely pick out some differences in the general profile of the flavors. Overall, I'd say it's more intense, as you could expect. For some reason, I get more melon from Mosaic pellet beers than the powder.

 

[stickyfinger]

here's a good post

http://scottjanish.com/lupulin-powder-vs-pellets-experiment/

I've had a few, and while there wasn't a side by side comparison, I could definitely pick out some differences in the general profile of the flavors. Overall, I'd say it's more intense, as you could expect. For some reason, I get more melon from Mosaic pellet beers than the powder.

i'm going to try some for sure once i use up some of my pellet hop stores!

 

[Gustatorian]

Anybody know how long you leave the temp at after adding the flame-out hops before dropping the temp to whirlpool levels (150-170ºF) for the next hop addition?

 

[Little_Lebowski]

Anybody know how long you leave the temp at after adding the flame-out hops before dropping the temp to whirlpool levels (150-170ºF) for the next hop addition?

Sorry about that... just read this now. I just toss them in, cut the flame, turn on the plate chiller to start chilling the already running whirlpool and when my kettle temp gets down to WP temps cut the chiller off and toss in the WP hops for 20 min or so. If you wanted to ensure a bit more contact time you could always do a 1 min addition before you cut the flame

 

[Gustatorian]

Sorry about that... just read this now. I just toss them in, cut the flame, turn on the plate chiller to start chilling the already running whirlpool and when my kettle temp gets down to WP temps cut the chiller off and toss in the WP hops for 20 min or so. If you wanted to ensure a bit more contact time you could always do a 1 min addition before you cut the flame

Sounds good! Are you running the wort out of your boil kettle, through a chiller, and then back through the whirlpool arm?

 

[Little_Lebowski]

I just clamp the hose at the top of the kettle and let it circulate tangentially... but yeah kettle to pump to chiller and back up top

 

[TheHairyHop]

I really think that the time to flavor extraction from hops is much shorter than many give credit as long as there's some form of agitation. my hops slurry tastes like basically nothing after adding at 150 and cooling until pitching temp with occasional stirring. it's not like it's a 2 inch piece of wood or anything. they're ground up flowers

 

[stickyfinger]

I really think that the time to flavor extraction from hops is much shorter than many give credit as long as there's some form of agitation. my hops slurry tastes like basically nothing after adding at 150 and cooling until pitching temp with occasional stirring. it's not like it's a 2 inch piece of wood or anything. they're ground up flowers

reminds me of the XBMT on extraction time. i'd like to try the short vs long extraction time for myself one day. maybe a compromise short term is to do a long and short dryhop in the primary

 

[bozizle]

I love it when my pantyhose smells like beer...

Hey, do you think you could tell a difference using the lupulin powder vs. pellets?

yes I would say my whirpool with powder resulted in a much better flavor IMO than anything I have done the past two years and I basically brew NEIPS beers all the time. It resembled a trillium/treehouse/other half style of flavor that came through more so than pellets. I went and bought a ton of powder once I had my taste test in the fermentor and cant wait to do an all citra. I also have simoce and Eukanot to play with.

 

[Little_Lebowski]

yes I would say my whirpool with powder resulted in a much better flavor IMO than anything I have done the past two years and I basically brew NEIPS beers all the time. It resembled a trillium/treehouse/other half style of flavor that came through more so than pellets. I went and bought a ton of powder once I had my taste test in the fermentor and cant wait to do an all citra. I also have simoce and Eukanot to play with.

While we're on the topic... are pellets and powder pretty much interchangeable oz for oz?

 

[Jmash]

My LHBS guy told me to use 40% of what I'd use in pellets

 

[stickyfinger]

While we're on the topic... are pellets and powder pretty much interchangeable oz for oz?

I have no experience with them, but everything I have read indicates that you can use 1/2 or maybe slightly less of the powder compared with pellets. Makes sense, as they are basically concentrated for the hop resins that contribute to flavor/aroma/bitterness.

 

[Gustatorian]

yes I would say my whirpool with powder resulted in a much better flavor IMO than anything I have done the past two years and I basically brew NEIPS beers all the time. It resembled a trillium/treehouse/other half style of flavor that came through more so than pellets. I went and bought a ton of powder once I had my taste test in the fermentor and cant wait to do an all citra. I also have simoce and Eukanot to play with.

Interesting, I've read the full benefit of lupulin powder is coming from late fermentation additions/keg additions. I'll have to try whirlpool at some point...

 

[stickyfinger]

Interesting, I've read the full benefit of lupulin powder is coming from late fermentation additions/keg additions. I'll have to try whirlpool at some point...

Kimmich from the Alchemist has talked on some of his youtube videos about how much he loves the lupulin powder in the whirlpool. maybe there is something to it; their beers are super strong in hop flavor.

Where have you read about the lupulin for keg additions?

 

[Gustatorian]

Kimmich from the Alchemist has talked on some of his youtube videos about how much he loves the lupulin powder in the whirlpool. maybe there is something to it; their beers are super strong in hop flavor.

Where have you read about the lupulin for keg additions?

Obviously anecdotal (I think the stuff is too new to get a general consensus of what works and what doesn't) but Scott Janish and Michael Tonsmiere (even in his most recent blog post) have had success with using it in later additions (dry-hop after secondary ferm > dry-hop for biotransformation)

 

[stickyfinger]

Obviously anecdotal (I think the stuff is too new to get a general consensus of what works and what doesn't) but Scott Janish and Michael Tonsmiere (even in his most recent blog post) have had success with using it in later additions (dry-hop after secondary ferm > dry-hop for biotransformation)

Never having tried it, theoretically, i don't see how it couldn't be better in every way.

 

[Gustatorian]

Never having tried it, theoretically, i don't see how it couldn't be better in every way.

Not sure! I think I'd trust Kimmich more than anyone though! Now that it's available to homebrewers, I'm sure there will be more and more opinions flooding in almost weekly.

 

[Gustatorian]

FWIW, I'm brewing tomorrow. Using mosaic powder (actual lupulin powder, not in pelletized form) for both dry hop additions. In the whirlpool tomorrow though, I'm using mosaic pellets (non-lupulin powder, just run-on-the-mill pellets) for the whirlpool. I'll let y'all know how it goes.

 

[couchsending]

I've been using Lupulin powder off and on since November. It is incredibly potent. I would say use 30-40% in weight of what you would use in traditional Pellets. Looks like they're making the powder in pellet form now which is nice. The powder is super hard to get into solution. From my experience it's best late in the whirlpool and maybe a small amount in the keg. I've tried an all powder beer and it was not that awesome. To me it has a weird almost too intense flavor/aroma when used by itself. I actually think some green matter is beneficial. I found it best to mix it with pellets throughout the process.

Using it as a "Bio Transformation" substance is pointless as I believe research has shown that the "biotransformation" happens between the yeast and the green matter of the hops.

 

[TheHairyHop]

It's probably just semantics, but there is indeed biotransformation of hop oils during fermentation. Scientific research has shown certain oils drop precipitously over a few days while others rise. It could be inferred that this is an act of biotransformation

 

[stickyfinger]

I've been using Lupulin powder off and on since November. It is incredibly potent. I would say use 30-40% in weight of what you would use in traditional Pellets. Looks like they're making the powder in pellet form now which is nice. The powder is super hard to get into solution. From my experience it's best late in the whirlpool and maybe a small amount in the keg. I've tried an all powder beer and it was not that awesome. To me it has a weird almost too intense flavor/aroma when used by itself. I actually think some green matter is beneficial. I found it best to mix it with pellets throughout the process.



Using it as a "Bio Transformation" substance is pointless as I believe research has shown that the "biotransformation" happens between the yeast and the green matter of the hops.

sounds awesome!

 

[Gustatorian]

I've been using Lupulin powder off and on since November. It is incredibly potent. I would say use 30-40% in weight of what you would use in traditional Pellets. Looks like they're making the powder in pellet form now which is nice. The powder is super hard to get into solution. From my experience it's best late in the whirlpool and maybe a small amount in the keg. I've tried an all powder beer and it was not that awesome. To me it has a weird almost too intense flavor/aroma when used by itself. I actually think some green matter is beneficial. I found it best to mix it with pellets throughout the process.

Using it as a "Bio Transformation" substance is pointless as I believe research has shown that the "biotransformation" happens between the yeast and the green matter of the hops.

I added a dry-hop charge to my keg with the actual lupulin powder, and it definitely messes with the activity in the bubbler. I know fermentation is done, but I think the powder is acting like nucleation points and drawing CO2 out of solution, causing regular activity within the bubbler. Anybody else see this?

 

[mavguy]

What's the closest recipe at this point? I'd like to avoid reading through all 129 pages, if possible.

 

[bleme]

What's the closest recipe at this point? I'd like to avoid reading through all 129 pages, if possible.

There is more to brewing than recipes. Just think of all the mountains of juicy information that lie in those 129 pages, just waiting for you!