Darn, I wish he had said "a little". These words are so imprecise. So how much is "a lot" and how do we decide when "a lot" is "too much"? Will putting "some" co2 into the beer below the head space of a bottle and creating co2 bubbles we cap on top of help a little or a lot?
Vapor technically is a gas (it's the gas phase of H2O) and it's invisible. It's a good thing because it's all around us mixed into the atmosphere.
Counterpressure filling with actual evacuation and purging is possible at the homebrew level too, so what you're doing is only the next best thing. Your belief that you're actually filling the bottle with CO2 is incorrect which is the whole point of the lengthy discussion we've been having. Not only is the CO2 mixing with air, but as you calmly fill your bottles atmospheric oxygen is also calmly diffusing back into the bottle (which is still a completely open system) and into the beer.
If you can, don't purge the bottles, but create foam with your co2 once the bottles are filled and immediately cap directly on the co2 foam. This is the only way how you get almost no O2 trapped in the bottle. Vale71 already explained why purging does not work, capping on co2 foam ensures minimum oxygen in the bottle.
Or one of those hazardous materials rigs with the plastic arm gloves. That would minimize the volume and require less CO2 and no breathing apparatus.https://i.pinimg.com/originals/82/ba/60/82ba606cc57683cad31c8e72cfaca929.jpgIn hospitals they have oxygen tents. A CO2 tent could be devised.
Instead of an astronaut suit, a diver setup could be used. You need no wetsuit and fins, only the respirator.
The thing is more feasible than at first thought.
Actually I wouldn't be surprised if anybody did anything like that
Problem I see is the cost of the CO2.
That article is full of misinformation. Gases get less dense as you go higher in the atmosphere*, contrary to what that article says. And headspace gases do not stratify in an enclosed space, just like they don't stratify in an open space (see the videos posted earlier in this thread.)
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Splashing? No. Injecting CO2 into the surface of the beer, creating foam filled with co2. Splashing is not a good idea.If memory serves, you actually were able to test that.
In the other thread, you report how you made an attempt at bottling with the "splashing" tecnique, letting the beer foam while the bottle is filled, and for what I remember you find that the beer was actually not perceivably different than the others which underwent the CO2 purge. Yet, you stated that you will go on with the purging tecninque (and so will I. Splashing is creepy
The logic behind the splashing technique is that the beer will release CO2 instead of incorporate O2. I would expect both things to happen (beer releases CO2 but also incorporates O2 in the process) but we have some empirical evidence that splashing might actually reduce beer oxidation...
I will certainly make some experiments with the splashing technique myself.
I tried to make some foam with a Chinese ultrasound base but my ale, at the moment of bottling, doesn't have enough dissolved CO2 for this contraption to work. Or maybe my contramption is defective.
https://www.amazon.it/gp/product/B07YDKV37N/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00
I'm not tlaking about making the beer foam, but to inject co2 underneath the surface of the beer and create co2 foam this way! Otherwise, bottle conditioning would't be possible.
If memory serves, you actually were able to test that.
In the other thread, you report how you made an attempt at bottling with the "splashing" tecnique, letting the beer foam while the bottle is filled, and for what I remember you find that the beer was actually not perceivably different than the others which underwent the CO2 purge. Yet, you stated that you will go on with the purging tecninque (and so will I. Splashing is creepy
The logic behind the splashing technique is that the beer will release CO2 instead of incorporate O2. I would expect both things to happen (beer releases CO2 but also incorporates O2 in the process) but we have some empirical evidence that splashing might actually reduce beer oxidation...
I will certainly make some experiments with the splashing technique myself.
I tried to make some foam with a Chinese ultrasound base but my ale, at the moment of bottling, doesn't have enough dissolved CO2 for this contraption to work. Or maybe my contramption is defective.
https://www.amazon.it/gp/product/B07YDKV37N/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00
These are two of the topics (with direct links to results).
Aeration stone? Why unnecessary
Maybe the hose was too big?
