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And yet here is a YouTube that talked about how you drive the truck without the screen.
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Stats? Stories? Anything but fear and “google said so”?
Did google even say so? It's pretty easy to find horror stories about "bricked" Teslas (most of which seem quite dubious on even cursory inspection). But I've come up empty so far in trying to find one that was the result of a touch screen failure.
I'm reminded why I hate touch screen controls in my wife's car every time I back out of the garage and can't pause whoever's podcast is playing.
It also has terrible button design, because they're in a straight line with tiny, low-contast, ambiguous pictographs. So I just can't win...
It also has terrible button design, because they're in a straight line with tiny, low-contast, ambiguous pictographs. So I just can't win...
We hired an ICE Peugeot in Crete last month. It had physical buttons for things that did nothing more than pull up an unintuitive page on the touch screen. Driving on the wrong side of the road, at night, in a strange town with the windscreen quickly fogging up and Mrs Pkrd and I both unable to figure it out. Thank god the windows wound down like every other car.
And no satnav or CarPlay or reversing camera. That'll learn us for picking a cheap local car hire firm.
And no satnav or CarPlay or reversing camera. That'll learn us for picking a cheap local car hire firm.
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Ask Google. It did provide an instance of someone relating their experience when something inside slid and cracked the screen and the $3k replacement cost.
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Bricked as in “can’t control most of the functions of the car“ not that it won’t run.
If I paint over my Kona’s screen, I lose the ability to see the navigation screen and CarPlay screen and set charging limits and not much else.
Yeah, well, that's not what "bricked" means.
beren
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I am well aware, but it’s how everybody uses it anymore. I could be wrong, but don’t you need to turn the wipers on and off with the touchscreen on the models without the stalks? That would deadline a vehicle for me.
If you can drive the car in for service then it isn't bricked. Even if you have to wait until it stops raining.
Over-dependence on a single touchscreen for controls isn't an EV specific issue.
My ICE jeep has some buttons and knobs along with a touchscreen, and occasionally the touchscreen gets confused and asks for a password. It usually resolves after being turned off and on again a couple times, but it's annoying. It certainly doesn't make the vehicle undrivable, but it makes it less enjoyable to do so.
My Volt had a decent mix of touchscreen and physical inputs, and my Bolt isn't terrific but it also isn't horrible.
It's still fairly new car tech, and it's a work in progress.
My ICE jeep has some buttons and knobs along with a touchscreen, and occasionally the touchscreen gets confused and asks for a password. It usually resolves after being turned off and on again a couple times, but it's annoying. It certainly doesn't make the vehicle undrivable, but it makes it less enjoyable to do so.
My Volt had a decent mix of touchscreen and physical inputs, and my Bolt isn't terrific but it also isn't horrible.
It's still fairly new car tech, and it's a work in progress.
You forgot to end that with ", man".
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Who is looking forward to the new chargers on the turnpike? They’re working on having 20 locations to charge in the next few years and the chargers starting this week I think our double the power from what was there.
Solid-state batteries with immense range! https://electrek.co/2025/06/20/byd-tests-solid-state-batteries-seal-ev-with-1000-miles-range/
With the almost 2X kilowatt hour /kg advantage over Li ion batteries, you could make a car with a range equal to current EVs with half the battery weight. The lower battery weight would allow weight savings elsewhere in the vehicle (eg. slightly smaller, slightly less powerful motors could give equal performance in a lighter car.)
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https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/08/opinion/byd-china-car-ev.html
BYD, which stands for “Build Your Dreams,” is essentially banned from American roads by tariffs imposed to protect U.S. automakers that double the price of imported Chinese plug-ins. Erecting tariff walls may buy the domestic auto industry some time, but it ultimately won't insulate American manufacturers from BYD or the bigger threat that it represents.
The company embodies a Chinese industrial model that is leaving America in the dust. This model, which combines government financial support, methodical long-term planning and aggressive innovation, has already enabled China to achieve global dominance in a range of high-tech industries, from batteries to robotics to drones. Losing those markets to Chinese companies was bad enough. If the same happens in auto manufacturing, the impact would be far worse for America, due to the industry’s size and its economic, political and strategic importance.
The success of BYD and several other upstart Chinese car brands should be a warning for U.S. auto manufacturing and our industrial sector as a whole. We need the courage to recognize how badly we are falling behind, shake off complacency and adopt an urgent government-led effort — think of a “Manhattan Project,” but for cars — to restore U.S. competitiveness....
It’s also not the only reason for BYD’s success. It can build cars so inexpensively thanks to what’s known as vertical integration. While most major carmakers source many important parts from outside suppliers, BYD makes almost all of its key components in-house, including batteries, semiconductors, motors and tablet screens, which saves costs and enhances quality control. It developed its cars’ operating software, has stakes in mines and mining companies that produce the minerals for its batteries and transports its vehicles around the world aboard its fleet of specially designed car-carrier ships.
BYD is also rapidly innovating. Earlier this year it unveiled an autonomous driving system that may be as good as Tesla’s, if not better, as well as technology that BYD says can charge cars in just five minutes — as quickly as filling a gas tank. Its top-end models include the YangWang U8, a luxury S.U.V. that can rotate 360 degrees in place and operate in water like a boat over short distances.
BYD, which stands for “Build Your Dreams,” is essentially banned from American roads by tariffs imposed to protect U.S. automakers that double the price of imported Chinese plug-ins. Erecting tariff walls may buy the domestic auto industry some time, but it ultimately won't insulate American manufacturers from BYD or the bigger threat that it represents.
The company embodies a Chinese industrial model that is leaving America in the dust. This model, which combines government financial support, methodical long-term planning and aggressive innovation, has already enabled China to achieve global dominance in a range of high-tech industries, from batteries to robotics to drones. Losing those markets to Chinese companies was bad enough. If the same happens in auto manufacturing, the impact would be far worse for America, due to the industry’s size and its economic, political and strategic importance.
The success of BYD and several other upstart Chinese car brands should be a warning for U.S. auto manufacturing and our industrial sector as a whole. We need the courage to recognize how badly we are falling behind, shake off complacency and adopt an urgent government-led effort — think of a “Manhattan Project,” but for cars — to restore U.S. competitiveness....
It’s also not the only reason for BYD’s success. It can build cars so inexpensively thanks to what’s known as vertical integration. While most major carmakers source many important parts from outside suppliers, BYD makes almost all of its key components in-house, including batteries, semiconductors, motors and tablet screens, which saves costs and enhances quality control. It developed its cars’ operating software, has stakes in mines and mining companies that produce the minerals for its batteries and transports its vehicles around the world aboard its fleet of specially designed car-carrier ships.
BYD is also rapidly innovating. Earlier this year it unveiled an autonomous driving system that may be as good as Tesla’s, if not better, as well as technology that BYD says can charge cars in just five minutes — as quickly as filling a gas tank. Its top-end models include the YangWang U8, a luxury S.U.V. that can rotate 360 degrees in place and operate in water like a boat over short distances.
beren
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Yeah. Most people’s idea of China is stuck in the past. China is doing what the USA used to do. Tons of govt money in research and in growing new businesses. The USA nowadays does some university research, but it ends up locked away behind a single existing large business sponsor and they’d rather not change the status quo. China has a massive air pollution problem, like 90s LA smog everywhere, as well as importing most of the oil they need.
But they are working on improving their air quality while we are apparently trying to move our country back to 90s air pollution in LA.
beren
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Yeah. That’s exactly why they are all-in on clean energy. And it’s already made a massive difference to the air and health of its citizens.
All the people here are about is their
and they fantasize about being one of the rich, so they don’t want to pass laws that might affect them once they get rich.
All the people here are about is their
and they fantasize about being one of the rich, so they don’t want to pass laws that might affect them once they get rich.
Exactly. And every working American is one illness or injury away from bankruptcy and homelessness, but several reincarnations from billionairehood.Yeah. That’s exactly why they are all-in on clean energy. And it’s already made a massive difference to the air and health of its citizens.
All the people here are about is their
We're getting into Debate type discussion here with tariffs, pollution, public health, and poverty. Let's not get into that in this thread.
Funny, I was just about to say that I really wanted to respond to the last few posts but couldn't think of anything that wouldn't get deleted. Even the joke I thought of about electric water cars is probably too political.
beren
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Sadly, in the current climate, EVs are exceptionally political. They shouldn’t be, like DVDs were a leap forward from VHS this isn’t much different except people have strong feelings.
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Nothing like giving him 10x more than Tesla ever earned.
Also both of those are related. They can claim autopilot counts now and just hand the company over to him, investors be damned.
In other news, had my Kona for over a year now, almost 20k miles, including a 1400mi trip up to and around Vermont with the scouts. Faster fast charging would have been nice but it wasn’t terrible at 77kW
Also both of those are related. They can claim autopilot counts now and just hand the company over to him, investors be damned.
In other news, had my Kona for over a year now, almost 20k miles, including a 1400mi trip up to and around Vermont with the scouts. Faster fast charging would have been nice but it wasn’t terrible at 77kW
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Another negative Tesla article from electrek? Yawn.
Tesla has already upgraded the autopilot computer in my 2018 S for free and will do it again if necessary.
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The reporting on FSD vs how it functions in reality is absolutely wild. I know why, but it’s still wild.
Is it because Musk has been promising one specific thing for close to a decade now, and has yet to deliver on his promise?
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How can one know how long it will take to finish something that has never been done? Do you begrudge the guys enthusiasm? Look at the rockets he has pulled off. Just a month ago people were ridiculing him about all the failures but are now pretty silent after this last success. This is how inventing works. You hope but you can never be sure until the end.
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The promises have been pretty clear, and universally unmet, for about a decade. I don't think anyone has a problem with optimism, but when I hand you money, it's called a contract. And when my dopey neighbor runs into something (nearly me, one time) while on "full self driving", it's called a tort.
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