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Do you have an electric car or plan to get one?

  • Yes

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  • I plan to

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Over-dependence on a single touchscreen for controls isn't an EV specific issue.

My ICE jeep has some buttons and knobs along with a touchscreen, and occasionally the touchscreen gets confused and asks for a password. It usually resolves after being turned off and on again a couple times, but it's annoying. It certainly doesn't make the vehicle undrivable, but it makes it less enjoyable to do so.

My Volt had a decent mix of touchscreen and physical inputs, and my Bolt isn't terrific but it also isn't horrible.

It's still fairly new car tech, and it's a work in progress.
 
Who is looking forward to the new chargers on the turnpike? They’re working on having 20 locations to charge in the next few years and the chargers starting this week I think our double the power from what was there.
 
With the almost 2X kilowatt hour /kg advantage over Li ion batteries, you could make a car with a range equal to current EVs with half the battery weight. The lower battery weight would allow weight savings elsewhere in the vehicle (eg. slightly smaller, slightly less powerful motors could give equal performance in a lighter car.)

Brew on :mug:
 
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https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/08/opinion/byd-china-car-ev.html
BYD, which stands for “Build Your Dreams,” is essentially banned from American roads by tariffs imposed to protect U.S. automakers that double the price of imported Chinese plug-ins. Erecting tariff walls may buy the domestic auto industry some time, but it ultimately won't insulate American manufacturers from BYD or the bigger threat that it represents.

The company embodies a Chinese industrial model that is leaving America in the dust. This model, which combines government financial support, methodical long-term planning and aggressive innovation, has already enabled China to achieve global dominance in a range of high-tech industries, from batteries to robotics to drones. Losing those markets to Chinese companies was bad enough. If the same happens in auto manufacturing, the impact would be far worse for America, due to the industry’s size and its economic, political and strategic importance.

The success of BYD and several other upstart Chinese car brands should be a warning for U.S. auto manufacturing and our industrial sector as a whole. We need the courage to recognize how badly we are falling behind, shake off complacency and adopt an urgent government-led effort — think of a “Manhattan Project,” but for cars — to restore U.S. competitiveness....

It’s also not the only reason for BYD’s success. It can build cars so inexpensively thanks to what’s known as vertical integration. While most major carmakers source many important parts from outside suppliers, BYD makes almost all of its key components in-house, including batteries, semiconductors, motors and tablet screens, which saves costs and enhances quality control. It developed its cars’ operating software, has stakes in mines and mining companies that produce the minerals for its batteries and transports its vehicles around the world aboard its fleet of specially designed car-carrier ships.

BYD is also rapidly innovating. Earlier this year it unveiled an autonomous driving system that may be as good as Tesla’s, if not better, as well as technology that BYD says can charge cars in just five minutes — as quickly as filling a gas tank. Its top-end models include the YangWang U8, a luxury S.U.V. that can rotate 360 degrees in place and operate in water like a boat over short distances.
 
Yeah. Most people’s idea of China is stuck in the past. China is doing what the USA used to do. Tons of govt money in research and in growing new businesses. The USA nowadays does some university research, but it ends up locked away behind a single existing large business sponsor and they’d rather not change the status quo. China has a massive air pollution problem, like 90s LA smog everywhere, as well as importing most of the oil they need.
 
Yeah. Most people’s idea of China is stuck in the past. China is doing what the USA used to do. Tons of govt money in research and in growing new businesses. The USA nowadays does some university research, but it ends up locked away behind a single existing large business sponsor and they’d rather not change the status quo. China has a massive air pollution problem, like 90s LA smog everywhere, as well as importing most of the oil they need.
But they are working on improving their air quality while we are apparently trying to move our country back to 90s air pollution in LA.
 
Yeah. That’s exactly why they are all-in on clean energy. And it’s already made a massive difference to the air and health of its citizens.

All the people here are about is their 💰💰💰💰 and they fantasize about being one of the rich, so they don’t want to pass laws that might affect them once they get rich.
 
Yeah. That’s exactly why they are all-in on clean energy. And it’s already made a massive difference to the air and health of its citizens.

All the people here are about is their 💰💰💰💰 and they fantasize about being one of the rich, so they don’t want to pass laws that might affect them once they get rich.
Exactly. And every working American is one illness or injury away from bankruptcy and homelessness, but several reincarnations from billionairehood.
 
We're getting into Debate type discussion here with tariffs, pollution, public health, and poverty. Let's not get into that in this thread.
Funny, I was just about to say that I really wanted to respond to the last few posts but couldn't think of anything that wouldn't get deleted. Even the joke I thought of about electric water cars is probably too political.
 
Nothing like giving him 10x more than Tesla ever earned.

Also both of those are related. They can claim autopilot counts now and just hand the company over to him, investors be damned.

In other news, had my Kona for over a year now, almost 20k miles, including a 1400mi trip up to and around Vermont with the scouts. Faster fast charging would have been nice but it wasn’t terrible at 77kW
 
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Is it because Musk has been promising one specific thing for close to a decade now, and has yet to deliver on his promise?
How can one know how long it will take to finish something that has never been done? Do you begrudge the guys enthusiasm? Look at the rockets he has pulled off. Just a month ago people were ridiculing him about all the failures but are now pretty silent after this last success. This is how inventing works. You hope but you can never be sure until the end.
 
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How can one know how long it will take to finished something that has never been done? Do you begrudge the guys enthusiasm? Look at the rockets he has pulled off. Just a month ago people were ridiculing him about all the failures but are now pretty silent after this last success. This is how inventing works. You hope but you can never be sure until the end.
The promises have been pretty clear, and universally unmet, for about a decade. I don't think anyone has a problem with optimism, but when I hand you money, it's called a contract. And when my dopey neighbor runs into something (nearly me, one time) while on "full self driving", it's called a tort.
 
The promises have been pretty clear, and universally unmet, for about a decade. I don't think anyone has a problem with optimism, but when I hand you money, it's called a contract. And when my dopey neighbor runs into something (nearly me, one time) while on "full self driving", it's called a tort.
Did you buy a Tesla and read the contract? I did and there were no promises as you describe.
 
How can one know how long it will take to finish something that has never been done? Do you begrudge the guys enthusiasm? Look at the rockets he has pulled off. Just a month ago people were ridiculing him about all the failures but are now pretty silent after this last success. This is how inventing works. You hope but you can never be sure until the end.

If the CEO of Pfizer had been promising that they were *just around the corner* from creating a drug that would cure cancer for the better part of a decade, continually promising it to the public, to investors, to the world... And for those 10 years, they made some modest progress on some treatments but never actually delivered... You'd think that was totally cool?
 
Do you begrudge the guys enthusiasm?
Interesting euphemism for intentionally misleading investors (not customers, investors).
Look at the rockets he has pulled off. Just a month ago people were ridiculing him about all the failures but are now pretty silent after this last success.
It's all about the ratio.
This is how inventing works. You hope but you can never be sure until the end.
Lying to your investors is not how inventing usually works. People go to jail for that sort of thing fairly regularly, although they often do get insane compensation packages first. Maybe not a trillion bucks, but pretty insane nonetheless. The incentives are pretty clear, so I actually don't hold it against him or anyone else in his position. Caveat emptor and all that (again, I'm talking about buyers of stock, not cars).
 
A lot of very smart people approved that package. I’m sure you know something they don’t though.
I know that it's more money than the company has made in it's entire history, but I'm pretty sure they know that too. And read what I wrote again. I wasn't singling Musk out, either about lying to investors or getting an insane compensation package. Both things happen all the time.
 
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