'New' Lallemand Yeasts - New England and Kolsch

[moreb33rplz]

https://www.lallemandbrewing.com/en/united-states/product-details/lalbrew-new-england/

https://www.lallemandbrewing.com/en...-details/lalbrew-koln-kolsch-style-ale-yeast/

These are new yeasts to me, and I just ordered a couple of each from label peelers. I'm going to KISS and brew a couple of NEIPA and Kolsch.

Anyone here used these? Thoughts on fermentation profiles, flavor characteristics, flocculation, attenuation, etc?

 

[day_trippr]

It's been discussed in a few threads, with a few folks that have actually brewed with it.
Might be worth perusing these:

https://www.homebrewtalk.com/forum/threads/ne-ipa-dry-yeast.637363/

https://www.homebrewtalk.com/forum/threads/lallemand-new-england-yeast.653569/

https://www.homebrewtalk.com/forum/threads/lallemand-new-england-intentional-under-pitch.648862/

https://www.homebrewtalk.com/forum/threads/lallemand-new-england-11g-yeast.666044/

Cheers!

 

[sykesey]

I've used the kolsch. it's actually surprisingly good. I need to write it up but I did a split wort between WLP029 (which now seems to be a lager yeast), Gigayeast 021 and the Koln dry yeast and the Koln came out pretty well to me.

Just remember to pitch at 1g per litre for both those yeasts, the pitch rate is higher than some other dry yeasts.

 

[moreb33rplz]

Lol. Thanks. Thought I searched but

It's been discussed in a few threads, with a few folks that have actually brewed with it.
Might be worth perusing these:

https://www.homebrewtalk.com/forum/threads/ne-ipa-dry-yeast.637363/

https://www.homebrewtalk.com/forum/threads/lallemand-new-england-yeast.653569/

https://www.homebrewtalk.com/forum/threads/lallemand-new-england-intentional-under-pitch.648862/

https://www.homebrewtalk.com/forum/threads/lallemand-new-england-11g-yeast.666044/

Cheers!

I've read all of those but it doesn't sound like anyone has actually used them. I'm pretty sure they're both only recently available on the common homebrew sites as of a month or so ago.

FWIW label peelers had them cheap ish, I paid $4.50 each.

 

[day_trippr]

fwiw, I scanned two of the threads and found four users. None were impressed...

Cheers!

 

[couchsending]

I've used the kolsch. it's actually surprisingly good. I need to write it up but I did a split wort between WLP029 (which now seems to be a lager yeast), Gigayeast 021 and the Koln dry yeast and the Koln came out pretty well to me.

Just remember to pitch at 1g per litre for both those yeasts, the pitch rate is higher than some other dry yeasts.

Good to hear. I really haven’t liked wlp029, gy021 was good, but I’ve got a few packs of the Koln. Interesting you have to pitch so high with these strains.

They say Koln will have significant lag time and is kinda slow. Did you experience that at all?

 

[sykesey]

Good to hear. I really haven’t liked wlp029, gy021 was good, but I’ve got a few packs of the Koln. Interesting you have to pitch so high with these strains.

They say Koln will have significant lag time and is kinda slow. Did you experience that at all?

It was noticeably slower to get started and finish up than the other two, even after aerating and rehydrating. The final product is decent to my tastes though. Closer in flavour to say 2565 but seemed to flocculate out a lot better.

Until i write it up fully, here you go:
https://aussiecraftbrewing.com.au/post/57221/thread

 

[beersk]

After my experience with their London ESB yeast stopping at 1.020 and hearing about all the others' where this same thing happened, I'm nervous to use any of their yeast anymore.

 

[Miraculix]

After my experience with their London ESB yeast stopping at 1.020 and hearing about all the others' where this same thing happened, I'm nervous to use any of their yeast anymore.

I'm sure that Belle Saison can cure that fear

 

[couchsending]

After my experience with their London ESB yeast stopping at 1.020 and hearing about all the others' where this same thing happened, I'm nervous to use any of their yeast anymore.

That yeast can’t ferment maltotriose, there’s a reason it stoped at 1.020. Same thing probably happened with plenty of liquid yeasts that have the same properties.

 

[Steveruch]

After my experience with their London ESB yeast stopping at 1.020 and hearing about all the others' where this same thing happened, I'm nervous to use any of their yeast anymore.

I just did an extract bitter with it that went from 1.040 to 1.012 in less than 48 hours.

 

[beersk]

Lies! All lies!!!

Well, either way, I won't be using that yeast again. Suppose the new Kolsch yeast they have is worth a shot.

 

[Steveruch]

I just did an extract bitter with it that went from 1.040 to 1.012 in less than 48 hours.

And it's nearly crystal clear after two weeks in the bottle.

 

[Miraculix]

And it's nearly crystal clear after two weeks in the bottle.

I used this yeast a few times and I actually liked it. It was fast and had a nice flavor.

 

[Silver_Is_Money]

I used this yeast a few times and I actually liked it. It was fast and had a nice flavor.

Which yeast? New England or Kolsch?

 

[beersk]

Which yeast? New England or Kolsch?

I think they're talking about the London ESB that probably 95% of people complained it stopping at 1.020 no matter what they did to help attenuation.

 

[Miraculix]

I think they're talking about the London ESB that probably 95% of people complained it stopping at 1.020 no matter what they did to help attenuation.

Correct!

It's an English strain, so you have to treat it accordingly. Also, higher final gravity does not necessarily mean a bad beer or sweet beer.

 

[sykesey]

The Kölsch i recently brewed with Lalbrew Köln picked up equal 1st place on points (84/100) in the pale ale category here at the NSW State Homebrew competition 2019. Gigayeast GY021 version of the same wort ended up a few points less but beat it at the final ranking, so the dry yeast ended up in 2nd place overall after ranking. Not just the kolsch category but up against belgian pale ales, blonde, cream ales and australian sparkling ales.

I wrote up a bit about it as well... I was limited to 2 entries per category otherwise I would have put the WLP029 version in as well.
http://sykesey.id.au/?p=12

To me right now the WLP029 is a fine beer but the Koln has a little more of that flavour to make it a more interesting beer

 

[nonac75]

i used the New England and pitched 2 packets into 5.75 gal of wort per recommendations, beer finished at 1.012 but i dont care for the flavor. doesnt have the type of citrus i get with A38 or LAIII

 

[moreb33rplz]

i used the New England and pitched 2 packets into 5.75 gal of wort per recommendations, beer finished at 1.012 but i dont care for the flavor. doesnt have the type of citrus i get with A38 or LAIII

Can you elaborate? Is it OK but not as good as LAIII/A38, or straight bad?

 

[nonac75]

Can you elaborate? Is it OK but not as good as LAIII/A38, or straight bad?

I really dont like how my beer turned out-its borderline chemical tasting- and its a recipe i have made several times with great success each time. it could be something else that happened impacting my beer, but i wont be risking it as 22g of this yeast costs as much as A38/LAIII anyway. no benefit to me.

 

[Dog House Brew]

The Kölsch i recently brewed with Lalbrew Köln picked up equal 1st place on points (84/100) in the pale ale category here at the NSW State Homebrew competition 2019. Gigayeast GY021 version of the same wort ended up a few points less but beat it at the final ranking, so the dry yeast ended up in 2nd place overall after ranking. Not just the kolsch category but up against belgian pale ales, blonde, cream ales and australian sparkling ales.

I wrote up a bit about it as well... I was limited to 2 entries per category otherwise I would have put the WLP029 version in as well.
http://sykesey.id.au/?p=12

To me right now the WLP029 is a fine beer but the Koln has a little more of that flavour to make it a more interesting beer

021 is in my starter right now. My favorite Kolsch yeast so far.

 

[nick_a]

I picked up two packets during the labelpeelers sale last month, and am currently drinking the beer I made with it, which was based on Michael Dawson's Pequod Session IPA recipe.

Fermented in the mid-60s, and was finished in about 12 days. I'd say it has more of the "fruit basket" character than chico, but is certainly nothing close to conan or LAIII in terms of ester character. I think it made a nice beer, but given the price, I'll probably go with liquid culture in the future.

 

[couchsending]

Got a Kolsch with the new Koln yeast lagering at the moment... It’ll be another 3 weeks of so before all is said and done. Last gravity samples were promising but there was too much yeast in suspension to get a true feeling for it. Zero sulphur, rather fruity even though it was fermented on the cold side. Fermentation didn’t seem to sluggish and didn’t seem to take that long to finish out but I did “overpitch” by typical dry yeast standards.

For those using the New England strain have you been pitching two packets? Supposedly the cell count is rather low per gram.

 

[bamcisman]

I have a Strata IPA fermenting with it now. it's been 3 days and airlock activity is already slowing down (I know that's not a perfect indicator of fermentation activity). We'll see. I've brewed this recipe before with 1056 and it was great. I'll report back in a couple weeks.

 

[bamcisman]

I have a Strata IPA fermenting with it now. it's been 3 days and airlock activity is already slowing down (I know that's not a perfect indicator of fermentation activity). We'll see. I've brewed this recipe before with 1056 and it was great. I'll report back in a couple weeks.

It took the wort from 1062-->1013 in 6 days. Grain to glass on 13 days. Tastes great. I will use this year again

 

[moreb33rplz]

It took the wort from 1062-->1013 in 6 days. Grain to glass on 13 days. Tastes great. I will use this year again

Finally a positive review! I bought 2 packs of this stuff and it's been sitting in my fridge cuz everyone here says it was crappy

 

[Mer-man]

It took the wort from 1062-->1013 in 6 days. Grain to glass on 13 days. Tastes great. I will use this year again

6 days at like 10C or what

 

[bamcisman]

6 days at like 10C or what

20C

 

[bamcisman]

Finally a positive review! I bought 2 packs of this stuff and it's been sitting in my fridge cuz everyone here says it was crappy

Well, I can't speak to whether or not it is similar to Conan, etc... as I've never used that. But it fermenter well and tastes good.