'New' Lallemand Yeasts - New England and Kolsch

[rtstrider]

Kegged the Dieter Kolsch on Thursday, fined with Biofine Clear, and it's almost carbed up. The malt backbone is insane. Definitely one of my favorite malt flavors in a kolsch. It's a touch sweet, which reminds me of WLP029. But it's cleared up almost brilliantly in a few days in the keg. Hoping to let it sit (not sample it everyday), and try it side by side with the K-97 in a week or so. I'm VERY happy so far, but so far I do prefer the Wyeast 2565.

I have wlp029 on hand now and plan to bank it up soon. The test tubes have thinned out big time so will need to put in another Amazon order so the rest of the strains can be banked up

 

[wepeeler]

I have wlp029 on hand now and plan to bank it up soon. The test tubes have thinned out big time so will need to put in another Amazon order so the rest of the strains can be banked up

Dieter is clear as heck now. Fruitier and more floral than Wyeast 2565. More malt flavor as well. Same exact recipe to a T as the Wyeast 2565. Not sure I prefer it, but it's definitely a different tasting Kolsch. Kegged the K97 today and it smelled like banana farts in the fermenter lol. I'm sure it'll condition out. Here's a pic of Dieter, after a sip

 

[rtstrider]

You definitely don't want your Kolsch to be malt forward! Calypso just isn't the right hops for the style. Have to go noble.

Just finished brewing the Dieter Kolsch. 1.053 OG. Wanted 1.048. I'll let you know in a few weeks!

I have a kolsch with wlp029 fermenting right now. The dieter keg was a huge hit! This is the same kolsch recipe that was fermented with Dieter so really curious to see how it turns out

 

[wepeeler]

I have a kolsch with wlp029 fermenting right now. The dieter keg was a huge hit! This is the same kolsch recipe that was fermented with Dieter so really curious to see how it turns out

Good stuff. Hope it works out well for you. I posted last night in another Kolsch thread that I re-brewed the Dieter, and I'm not a huge fan. It's a good beer, but too malty for the style IMO. Everyone I shared it with loves it, but I still prefer 2565. Brewing the 2565 again this week with Mecca Grain Vienna (Vanora) to see if there's a difference vs Weyermann. So 8# Weyermann Pils, 2# Mecca Vanora.

And I know I said I felt like Dieter and WLP029 were different, but they were eerily similar this time around. Both leave the beer too malty for the style IMO.

 

[Dog House Brew]

Yeah, I know Dieter came from 029. My next batch will be 2575 and 021. I bought a 5l mini keg of Fru last week. The Gaffel cans I bought have an ash tray finish.

 

[wepeeler]

Yeah, I know Dieter came from 029. My next batch will be 2575 and 021. I bought a 5l mini keg of Fru last week. The Gaffel cans I bought have an ash tray finish.

I really thought they were different, but not after these last 2 batches. Oh well. That's why we do these exBEERiments!

 

[deuc224]

Weird how i heard all this about o29 cuz its all i know but it gives that kolsch flavor ive grown to love. after a few weeks in the keg it smoothes out fantastic but i also give it like it 3 days ut the fermenter, i could care less about it being cloudy lol its just a good beer.

 

[wepeeler]

Not happy with the Dieter Kolsch, but it was a big hit on 4th of July. My brew buddy likes it as well. I feel it's too sweet/malty. I prefer a crisper finish. Also, get no white wine/grape at all with Dieter/029 only with 2565. Still think 2565 is the ticket.

 

[ntempleton]

Good stuff. Hope it works out well for you. I posted last night in another Kolsch thread that I re-brewed the Dieter, and I'm not a huge fan. It's a good beer, but too malty for the style IMO. Everyone I shared it with loves it, but I still prefer 2565. Brewing the 2565 again this week with Mecca Grain Vienna (Vanora) to see if there's a difference vs Weyermann. So 8# Weyermann Pils, 2# Mecca Vanora.

And I know I said I felt like Dieter and WLP029 were different, but they were eerily similar this time around. Both leave the beer too malty for the style IMO.

20% Vienna is going to add a lot of malt flavor and body, regardless of the yeast strain.

 

[wepeeler]

20% Vienna is going to add a lot of malt flavor and body, regardless of the yeast strain.

It's actually a great addition to this grist. I prefer it to just Pilsner malt. 2565 does a great job of not leaving it too sweet. Dieter does not, imo.

 

[505-Brewer]

Thanks man! I did get really good feedback. Funny thing is the last batch of this particular Kolsch was better IMO. I shared it with one of the brewers at New England Brewing Co (NEBCO), and he told me to enter it. So I brewed another batch, and here we are! He ended up judging it, because as he handed out the prizes, he told me, "I feel like I tasted this one before". I said that's because you have

Congrats. Enjoy the win!

 

[wepeeler]

Congrats. Enjoy the win!

Brewed it again with Omega Kolsch II, and I like it even better!

 

[rtstrider]

Brewed it again with Omega Kolsch II, and I like it even better!

What characteristics do you get from that strain?

 

[wepeeler]

What characteristics do you get from that strain?

Dude, best Kolsch I ever made. It's super clean, crisp and crushable. Brilliantly clear after using Biofine clear in keg. Literally grain to glass in 3 weeks. I'm getting an excellent light malt flavor with some lemon in the finish. Might be my best brew to date!!

 

[rtstrider]

Dude, best Kolsch I ever made. It's super clean, crisp and crushable. Brilliantly clear after using Biofine clear in keg. Literally grain to glass in 3 weeks. I'm getting an excellent light malt flavor with some lemon in the finish. Might be my best brew to date!!

And you've sold me! Will add that onto the annual Yeast order early next year

 

[wepeeler]

And you've sold me! Will add that onto the annual Yeast order early next year

Next year??? Now! It's fantastic

 

[rtstrider]

Next year??? Now! It's fantastic

It's currently over 100f on a daily basis where I live lol Have to wait for the Temps to drop before I order more Yeast. Lhbs only carries wyeast liquid Strains so mail order is the only way of getting other liquid vendor Strains outside of driving 3 hours away from home

 

[wepeeler]

It's currently over 100f on a daily basis where I live lol Have to wait for the Temps to drop before I order more Yeast. Lhbs only carries wyeast liquid Strains so mail order is the only way of getting other liquid vendor Strains outside of driving 3 hours away from home

Gotcha. We've got mid 90s this week too. Sucks. Get a pack when it's cooler and keep it going. I harvest from the starter.

 

[rtstrider]

Gotcha. We've got mid 90s this week too. Sucks. Get a pack when it's cooler and keep it going. I harvest from the starter.

Yep will bank it up in the freezer bank. I get at least 10 vials/batches per pack of liquid yeast. Could get more just don't have the space or need lol

 

[wepeeler]

Yep will bank it up in the freezer bank. I get at least 10 vials/batches per pack of liquid yeast. Could get more just don't have the space or need lol

That's great. I typically always harvest from a starter in case I love the yeast. Usually have about 5-6 different ones stored in Liter soda bottles for future starters.

This Omega Kolsch II is something else man. Super pleased.

 

[rtstrider]

That's great. I typically always harvest from a starter in case I love the yeast. Usually have about 5-6 different ones stored in Liter soda bottles for future starters.

This Omega Kolsch II is something else man. Super pleased.

I went crazy on a liquid lager yeast kick this year so maybe next year will be the year of kolsch yeasts!

 

[rtstrider]

I did a bit of reading. Omega Kolsch 2 sounds awfully smart to wlp003 which may be similar to wyeast 2575. Have you had a chance to play with those other strains?

 

[wepeeler]

I did a bit of reading. Omega Kolsch 2 sounds awfully smart to wlp003 which may be similar to wyeast 2575. Have you had a chance to play with those other strains?

I won second place at a local comp with 2565, but I think Omega pops a bit more. It's definitely brighter. But I have a feeling 2565 may be more traditional. Omega seems like a hybrid between 2565 and say Dieter or WLP029. There's a touch of sweetness, but it finishes crisp and dry.

 

[rtstrider]

Well that definitely didn't last long! I currently have a batch in the fermenter cuttently finishing up with koln. Will say coming from dry form it's a royal pain. When culturing up from liquid it fires off like gangbusters and seems to finish pretty quick. I've only ever used this yeast in liquid form one other time and that was with an ipa. Have a kolsch going right now so really curious to see how that turns out. Wonder if others had the same complaints with this strain? Very slow starter, beyond hefty pitch rate for a dry ale strain, possible phenols from the stressed yeast?

 

[wepeeler]

Well that definitely didn't last long! I currently have a batch in the fermenter cuttently finishing up with koln. Will say coming from dry form it's a royal pain. When culturing up from liquid it fires off like gangbusters and seems to finish pretty quick. I've only ever used this yeast in liquid form one other time and that was with an ipa. Have a kolsch going right now so really curious to see how that turns out. Wonder if others had the same complaints with this strain? Very slow starter, beyond hefty pitch rate for a dry ale strain, possible phenols from the stressed yeast?

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Kind of sad, but it was one of my least favorite Kolsch yeasts. Check out Omega Kolsch II Kolsch II

Ferments warmer, drops out quicker. Fantastic yeast and by far my favorite Kolsch yeast.