Joe's Ancient Orange Mead

[Carrollyn]

I have made JAOM several times in the past, but I think this time my yeast was old and weak. It worked, but now that it’s done and clear, it’s sweeter than it should be. I’d like to add a pinch of something else to fix that. I’ve got some various mead yeasts in the fridge (I don’t really want to go out and buy one), and also an assortment of beer yeasts. I’ve also got some bread yeast, but at this point, I don’t know how helpful that would be. Is there anything I should know about doing this? I still want some sweetness, but not like this.

 

[Dan O]

I have made JAOM several times in the past, but I think this time my yeast was old and weak. It worked, but now that it’s done and clear, it’s sweeter than it should be. I’d like to add a pinch of something else to fix that. I’ve got some various mead yeasts in the fridge (I don’t really want to go out and buy one), and also an assortment of beer yeasts. I’ve also got some bread yeast, but at this point, I don’t know how helpful that would be. Is there anything I should know about doing this? I still want some sweetness, but not like this.

Myself, I would make another batch to go dry (less honey), but, made by the recipe otherwise, & blend the 2 to your likeness.

I hope this helps you.
Happy meading

 

[Carrollyn]

Myself, I would make another batch to go dry (less honey), but, made by the recipe otherwise, & blend the 2 to your likeness.

I hope this helps you.
Happy meading

That sounds like a plan with the most chance of success. I wonder how much honey I should short myself? Maybe even use a mead yeast (If I have one in my fridge) to really dry it out.

 

[Dan O]

That sounds like a plan with the most chance of success. I wonder how much honey I should short myself? Maybe even use a mead yeast (If I have one in my fridge) to really dry it out.

Have you taken a gravity reading? That may help figure out how much honey to use

 

[Carrollyn]

Have you taken a gravity reading? That may help figure out how much honey to use

I haven’t. I should probably do that. Such a small amount, I didn’t want to remove a sample. Im really more of a beer maker, so I’ll have to figure out how to interpret the reading.

 

[amber-ale]

or add a sour juice and allow it to age a bit more. tasting and supplementing as you go until you get the right flavour...
what flavor is the original batch?

 

[Dan O]

I haven’t. I should probably do that. Such a small amount, I didn’t want to remove a sample. Im really more of a beer maker, so I’ll have to figure out how to interpret the reading.

Honey will give you approximately .035 points per pound/per gallon. So, if you do a 1 gallon batch, & assuming the water that your using has a gravity reading of 1.000, 1 pound of honey in your carboy & water to the neck should be 1.035, +/- a couple of points.

I always pour my reading samples back in. As long as your sanitizing habits are sound and you made sure it was washed BEFORE you sanitized it, there's no reason you can't pour it back in. Why waste it?

Also, if you make this new batch with less honey, be aware, once you blend them, make sure you put them both back under airlock, because one of your 2 batches will certainly have not reached tolerance & both will likely restart fermentation.

I hope this helps you.
Happy meading

 

[Dan O]

or add a sour juice and allow it to age a bit more. tasting and supplementing as you go until you get the right flavour...
what flavor is the original batch?

JAOM flavor

 

[Carrollyn]

or add a sour juice and allow it to age a bit more. tasting and supplementing as you go until you get the right flavour...
what flavor is the original batch?

I used the straight-up recipe, so it is spiced.

 

[T Murph]

Just made a 1 gallon batch of this. I've never had mead before, so I'm excited to try it in 2 months. Thanks Yooper!

RESPECT the mead. If you consume mead as you do beer you will have the worst hang over ever. Meads are so tasty you just want to drink them down. Do so very cautiously but by all means enjoy your new found libation.

 

[T Murph]

Mine have been ok, except the one where I used a washed US-05 Ale yeast. That one went right onto the counter and then onto the floor for 2 days.

BTW...What is that funky taste? I can't put my finger on it...It's like super concentrated orange seed flavor...and it's good for nearly instant heartburn. I may have to try Malkors version.

It's mead Dude. Relax have a homebrew and give it some time. Mead can taste pretty bad for several months and low and behold it starts getting better, and better and better. Like wine mead gets better with age. I made a few batches that I thought I would have to pour out but I left them to age and everytime they ended up being good drinkable meads. I have 3 in cold crash now that are 7 months old. For the first six, yes six months my wife labeled them NFT. Not effing tasty. But now they all three are very good. They were made for Xmas and New Years.

 

[Carrollyn]

Myself, I would make another batch to go dry (less honey), but, made by the recipe otherwise, & blend the 2 to your likeness.

I hope this helps you.
Happy meading

Here’s what I’m up to. I decided to come up with the easiest plan. Apples go with JAOM spices. I’ve made hard cider before, so I’m fermenting out a gallon of apple juice. Instead of back sweetening to taste, I’ll blend the two. Kill the yeast in the cider first, so it doesn’t take off again. Then I’ll bottle/cork it still.

 

[jdp]

So I got a batch of this going late April (on the 26th). I finally pulled it out of the closet to cold crash it this morning. I snuck a taste about two minutes ago and this is good! This batch was only the size of a growler, but I’m going to get 5 gallons going, and soon! Glad I found it, and thanks for posting it yoop!

Edit to add- I made this per the recipe, no changes other than mine was a little smaller than a gallon and I scaled down appropriately. No pithy flavor, no “hot” flavor, I’m genuinely impressed. This is good stuff!

 

[jdp]

Actually have a question now about my batch of mead. I drank two small glasses of it last weekend (probably a total of 4 ounces). I think it has a relatively high amount of Methyl alchohol. I didn’t drink enough to be hung over, but it sure felt like I did.

My question is, what if I put it in a pot on the stove, and held it at about 150 degrees (uncovered) to boil off the Methyl? I don’t think it would be considered distillation, because I’m not capturing or condensing the vapors. More like just driving off some unwanted mead...
has anyone tried this? Or is there a better method I am unaware of?

 

[Miraculix]

Here’s what I’m up to. I decided to come up with the easiest plan. Apples go with JAOM spices. I’ve made hard cider before, so I’m fermenting out a gallon of apple juice. Instead of back sweetening to taste, I’ll blend the two. Kill the yeast in the cider first, so it doesn’t take off again. Then I’ll bottle/cork it still.

The jaom yeast is not dead, just dormant. It will wake up if diluted.

 

[Carrollyn]

Here is my final resolution: I got a gallon of apple juice. Poured off 2/3 of a cup. Drilled a hole in the lid and put a grommet and airlock in the top. Shook in a half packet of mostly expired T-58 yeast. Normal room temperature in Redding California is plenty hot enough, so I just left it out on the counter to ferment itself out. When the yeast dropped out, I mixed it with the JAOM. (Confession, I had actually already bottled it in little 375 mL wine bottles. I thought that by the time I opened it, I would have a different opinion on the sweetness. But I didn’t, and pulled the corks and poured it into the mixing bucket.) i used a 50-50 mix. I think it is pretty good. The Apple is a mild background base, the spices are still present, but I actually I think they are nicer than the intensity of the previous miAre used a 50-50 mix. I think it is pretty good. The Apple is a mild background base, the spices are still present, but I actually I think they are nicer than the intensity of the previous JAOM. The sweetness is a very nice level, and I expect the alcohol content is acceptable.

 

[Miraculix]

Here is my final resolution: I got a gallon of apple juice. Poured off 2/3 of a cup. Drilled a hole in the lid and put a grommet and airlock in the top. Shook in a half packet of mostly expired T-58 yeast. Normal room temperature in Redding California is plenty hot enough, so I just left it out on the counter to ferment itself out. When the yeast dropped out, I mixed it with the JAOM. (Confession, I had actually already bottled it in little 375 mL wine bottles. I thought that by the time I opened it, I would have a different opinion on the sweetness. But I didn’t, and pulled the corks and poured it into the mixing bucket.) i used a 50-50 mix. I think it is pretty good. The Apple is a mild background base, the spices are still present, but I actually I think they are nicer than the intensity of the previous miAre used a 50-50 mix. I think it is pretty good. The Apple is a mild background base, the spices are still present, but I actually I think they are nicer than the intensity of the previous JAOM. The sweetness is a very nice level, and I expect the alcohol content is acceptable.

Be careful, your jaom yeast will wake up again if sugar is present and the alcohol is diluted. Bottle bombs!

 

[SeanC138]

Actually have a question now about my batch of mead. I drank two small glasses of it last weekend (probably a total of 4 ounces). I think it has a relatively high amount of Methyl alchohol. I didn’t drink enough to be hung over, but it sure felt like I did.

My question is, what if I put it in a pot on the stove, and held it at about 150 degrees (uncovered) to boil off the Methyl? I don’t think it would be considered distillation, because I’m not capturing or condensing the vapors. More like just driving off some unwanted mead...
has anyone tried this? Or is there a better method I am unaware of?

I've never done that before but I'm relatively new. I will say this one can clock in at about 15% and takes awhile to mellow out IMO.

 

[jdp]

I've never done that before but I'm relatively new. I will say this one can clock in at about 15% and takes awhile to mellow out IMO.

15 is about where I placed it, Just as a wild guess. The flavors in my first batch were amazing. No need to let it sit any longer. I’ve just been pouring about a 2 oz glass when I get into it. I want more, but until I figure out the massive headache, I just have a few sips. My next batch, I will make the same, but I will try it to see if it makes any difference.

 

[SeanC138]

Made this back in January - 2 batches. One using the traditional Joe's way, bread yeast. The other, I used same formula, but added a pound of frozen blueberries and sweet mead yeast from White Labs.

Pictures forthcoming, but the results after 5 months of aging (transferred both to a secondary after 2 months):

Orange mead with bread yeast - good and getting better. I give it a solid C+.
Blueberry mead with sweet mead yeast - FANTASTIC....A++.

I'm making a 3 gallon batch of the blueberry/sweet mead yeast version this weekend so it will be prime time for the holidays. This time doing 4lbs of frozen blueberries.

Did a batch of this following your recommendation. It's been sitting for 2 months and I tasted it yesterday and checked gravity. Perfect balance of sweetness and blueberry using the sweet mead yeast. Will take off of blueberries in about a week and put to secondary and let it sit!

 

[redranger]

Just made this for the first time but accidentally added the whole yeast packet (Mangrove Jack’s Craft Series Mead Yeast M05 (10g)) instead of a teaspoon - what should I do about this??

 

[Dan O]

Just made this for the first time but accidentally added the whole yeast packet (Mangrove Jack’s Craft Series Mead Yeast M05 (10g)) instead of a teaspoon - what should I do about this??

Sit back & watch the fun. You may need a blowoff tube if your fermentor is full. Other than that, nothing. Won't hurt.

 

[bwible]

RESPECT the mead. If you consume mead as you do beer you will have the worst hang over ever. Meads are so tasty you just want to drink them down.

And before you know it you’ll be dancing naked under the moonlight like the ancient Druids.

Seriously, sweet stuff always gives us more of a hangover. It seems like sugar enhances the effects of alcohol too.

 

[bwible]

Just started a 3 gallon batch. I used 8 lbs of honey for an og of 1.094. If that goes to 1.000 it would be around 12.3 %.

I used:
8 lbs honey
Water to 3 gal
1 large orange cut into 8 pieces
2 clementines cut into 6 pieces
1 small kid-sized box Sunmaid raisins
2 sticks cinammon about 3”
3 whole cloves
2 tsp Fermax yeast nutrient
Lalvin 71B (I didn’t have any of grandma’s old yeast that she bought years before she passed away)

I’ve been wanting to try this. This already smells great.

I’m wondering if it needs pectic enzyme because of the fruit.

 

[Sunny]

Ancient Orange Mead (by Joe Mattioli)
1 gallon batch

3 1/2 lbs Clover or your choice honey or blend (will finish sweet)
1 Large orange (later cut in eights or smaller rind and all)
1 small handful of raisins (25 if you count but more or less ok)
1 stick of cinnamon
1 whole clove ( or 2 if you like - these are potent critters)
optional (a pinch of nutmeg and allspice )( very small )
1 teaspoon of Fleishmanns bread yeast ( now don't get holy on me--- after all this is an ancient mead and that's all we had back then)
Balance water to one gallon

Process:
Use a clean 1 gallon carboy
Dissolve honey in some warm water and put in carboy
Wash orange well to remove any pesticides and slice in eights --add orange (you can push em through opening big boy -- rinds included -- its ok for this mead -- take my word for it -- ignore the experts)

Put in raisins, clove, cinnamon stick, any optional ingredients and fill to 3 inches from the top with cold water. ( need room for some foam -- you can top off with more water after the first few day frenzy)

Shake the heck out of the jug with top on, of course. This is your sophisticated aeration process.

When at room temperature in your kitchen, put in 1 teaspoon of bread yeast. ( No you don't have to rehydrate it first-- the ancients didn't even have that word in their vocabulary-- just put it in and give it a gentle swirl or not)(The yeast can fight for their own territory)

Install water airlock. Put in dark place. It will start working immediately or in an hour. (Don't use grandma's bread yeast she bought years before she passed away in the 90's)( Wait 3 hours before you panic or call me) After major foaming stops in a few days add some water and then keep your hands off of it. (Don't shake it! Don't mess with them yeastees! Let them alone except its okay to open your cabinet to smell every once in a while.

Racking --- Don't you dare
additional feeding --- NO NO
More stirring or shaking -- Your not listening, don't touch

After 2 months and maybe a few days it will slow down to a stop and clear all by itself. (How about that) (You are not so important after all) Then you can put a hose in with a small cloth filter on the end into the clear part and siphon off the golden nectar. If you wait long enough even the oranges will sink to the bottom but I never waited that long. If it is clear it is ready. You don't need a cold basement. It does better in a kitchen in the dark. (Like in a cabinet) likes a little heat (70-80). If it didn't work out... you screwed up and didn't read my instructions (or used grandma's bread yeast she bought years before she passed away) . If it didn't work out then take up another hobby. Mead is not for you. It is too complicated.
If you were successful, which I am 99% certain you will be, then enjoy your mead. When you get ready to make different mead you will probably have to unlearn some of these practices I have taught you, but hey--- This recipe and procedure works with these ingredients so don't knock it. It was your first mead. It was my tenth. Sometimes, even the experts can forget all they know and make good ancient mead.

Thank you! Finally someone using common sense! Everyone else makes it seem so complicated! You are the reason I started making Mead! Thanks again! Also. you are hilarious! lol

 

[Hoppy2bmerry]

RESPECT the mead. If you consume mead as you do beer you will have the worst hang over ever. Meads are so tasty you just want to drink them down. Do so very cautiously but by all means enjoy your new found libation.

While this is good advice, justDave was last seen in 2008… your good advice delivered too late it seems. (seriously I hope he’s still okay)

 

[Iaureen]

I have to try this!!
Beginner's question..I assume the water used is the bottled stuff, rather than straight out of the tap?

 

[SeanC138]

I have to try this!!
Beginner's question..I assume the water used is the bottled stuff, rather than straight out of the tap?

Many folks use bottled spring water. If you're tap water is good enough to drink, it's probably okay to use for mead. Just stay away from using bottled distilled water and you should be fine.

 

[Miraculix]

Many folks use bottled spring water. If you're tap water is good enough to drink, it's probably okay to use for mead. Just stay away from using bottled distilled water and you should be fine.

You have to make sure that there is no chlorine or chloramine inside. Otherwise it should be fine from the tap.

 

[T Murph]

As extra precaution I always boil my tap water the day before brew day. It boils off the chlorines and the bicarbonate settles out as it cools.