Cold IPA

[DrGMG]

This has 80 IBUs and it's dry hopped.

 

[anteater8]

So beer fermented with lager yeast at ale temps is not steam beer anymore. Now we just call it something different.

I don't think a Cold IPA would do well if it was judged under 19B California Common. BJCP actually recommends entering it under 21B Specialty IPA as long as it can be distinguished from 21A.

 

[Garage12brewing]

I brewed a few IPA using lager yeast under pressure and it is always a success. Its a kind of beer that I really enjoy. I used the Lallemand Diamond lager yeast each time with success. You should not care that its not an official style or whatever... give it a try its damn good ! If you dont use gelatin or lager for a long period it will stay hazy for a few weeks.... the one on the picture used gelatin. Citra/bru-1 hops... super tasty...

 

[DrGMG]

I brewed a few IPA using lager yeast under pressure and it is always a success. Its a kind of beer that I really enjoy. I used the Lallemand Diamond lager yeast each time with success. You should not care that its not an official style or whatever... give it a try its damn good ! If you dont use gelatin or lager for a long period it will stay hazy for a few weeks.... the one on the picture used gelatin. Citra/bru-1 hops... super tasty...

Agreed.

 

[Bobby_M]

I guess I'm an old fart now because I refuse to relent on the semantics. IPA = ale AKA top fermented. Fermenting it cold with lager yeast disqualifies it from being called an IPA. It's the same reason Black IPA is bull plop.

 

[Garage12brewing]

I guess I'm an old fart now because I refuse to relent on the semantics. IPA = ale AKA top fermented. Fermenting it cold with lager yeast disqualifies it from being called an IPA. It's the same reason Black IPA is bull plop.

Call it the way you want... or we could say that DrGMG brewed a fantastic beer and he just want to share his recipe so his fellow brewers can try it.

 

[anteater8]

I guess I'm an old fart now because I refuse to relent on the semantics. IPA = ale AKA top fermented. Fermenting it cold with lager yeast disqualifies it from being called an IPA. It's the same reason Black IPA is bull plop.

I thought the change from IPL to Cold IPA seemed a little unnecessary even though I love Wayfinder, the brewery who defined the new style. But hey, the beers taste good so who really cares at the end at the day?

 

[lumpher]

I guess I'm an old fart now because I refuse to relent on the semantics. IPA = ale AKA top fermented. Fermenting it cold with lager yeast disqualifies it from being called an IPA. It's the same reason Black IPA is bull plop.

Total truth here.

 

[Group W]

Well, I finally made my way to Wayfinder Brewing in Portland to try their Original Cold IPA. What a treat. Other than the obvious use of Pilsner malt, it is different from an IPL or a Brut IPA. The rice adjunct and 7% ABV along with the moderate use of “C” hops makes this beer shine. I plan on making this beer in the winter, but with pale malt instead of Pilsner to get further from an IPL taste profile. Cheers!

 

[DrGMG]

Well, I finally made my way to Wayfinder Brewing in Portland to try their Original Cold IPA. What a treat. Other than the obvious use of Pilsner malt, it is different from an IPL or a Brut IPA. The rice adjunct and 7% ABV along with the moderate use of “C” hops makes this beer shine. I plan on making this beer in the winter, but with pale malt instead of Pilsner to get further from an IPL taste profile. Cheers!
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Sweet! I will make mine again with different hops.

 

[estricklin]

I’ve been brewing IPLs for years, people always said things like “that just doesn’t work”, but hey they’re trendy now!

 

[Bobby_M]

Call it the way you want... or we could say that DrGMG brewed a fantastic beer and he just want to share his recipe so his fellow brewers can try it.

Don't get me wrong here. I'm not saying it can't be a great beer and I'm not taking anything away from DrGMG. I'm just railing on the style name as an aside. The misappropriation of beer style names is just a pet peeve of mine. I had a 17 year career in tech standards and naming conventions and it's hard to shake that off.

 

[Group W]

Don't get me wrong here. I'm not saying it can't be a great beer and I'm not taking anything away from DrGMG. I'm just railing on the style name as an aside. The misappropriation of beer style names is just a pet peeve of mine. I had a 17 year career in tech standards and naming conventions and it's hard to shake that off.

My thoughts as well Bobby. The BJCP 21B category could get out of hand if new styles aren’t appropriately captured in the name. When I get a chance to brew this beer, it will probably be with Chico yeast, pale malt, significant flaked rice and dry with a low FG. I feel that would be in keeping with originators intentions. It would be different from an IPL, which I have never cared for.

 

[hopjuice_71]

I agree with the objection to naming, but I just attribute to a marketing ploy to make beer look new and different. There is a brewery near me that has been making an IPA for somewhere near 5-6 years, maybe more, and because they are a German beer focused brewery make their IPA with lager yeast (and typical west coast IPA hops) at low temp fermentations. It's quite delicious, but they never called it a "Cold IPA" just a WCIPA. Actually, just looked them up and its renamed as a "Cold IPA"

 

[Broothru]

Don't get me wrong here. I'm not saying it can't be a great beer and I'm not taking anything away from DrGMG. I'm just railing on the style name as an aside. The misappropriation of beer style names is just a pet peeve of mine. I had a 17 year career in tech standards and naming conventions and it's hard to shake that off.

But Bobby, isn't that same thing at the heart of IPAs in general?

A few years ago my favorite local brewery bottled an IPA (their first; they usually brew traditional European beers, with their Kolsch being one of the best I've had, outside of Koln).

I picked up a sixer expecting their expression of the "IPA" that we've all come to expect. This wasn't even close. Floral, subdued hoppiness, bitter but pleasant rather than face-plant puckery. I thought, "This tastes more like something I have on a pub crawl in London." After adjusting my glasses, I realized that the 'small print' said English style IPA.

My expectation didn't match the realization, yet it held vastly more fidelity to the true origin of IPA than anything we serve here on this side of the pond.

 

[Dr_Jeff]

I guess I'm an old fart now because I refuse to relent on the semantics. IPA = ale AKA top fermented. Fermenting it cold with lager yeast disqualifies it from being called an IPA. It's the same reason Black IPA is bull plop.

I brewed a Black Saison once for the novelty aspect, I used a little bit of Black Prinz, it provided minimal to none flavor contribution and was jet black.

You may be an old fart now, I know I am, hey kids get off my lawn. lol

 

[EthanH]

So what should people call this beer characterized by lager grain bill/yeast and high hop-content fermented at ale temperatures?

Preferably in 3 words or less.

I get the gripes (sort of), but when someone says something like "session IPA", however technically incorrect, I know exactly what they're talking about.

 

[Nagorg]

I hear you. I think this is much better than the brut IPA though. We'll see if this style sticks.

Incorporate the word "Hazy" and it will stick. Not to mention, it matches the appearance.

 

[Nagorg]

Alright, I had to look it up as well. Based on the description in this article below, it is hard to differentiate from an IPL IMO. Whatever the case, hazy should not be a characteristic so scratch my sarcastic comment above. Bright and Crisp and Hoppy sound delicious. But I'll take a bit of bitterness too please.

https://www.brewer-world.com/what-is-a-cold-ipa/

 

[DrGMG]

Incorporate the word "Hazy" and it will stick. Not to mention, it matches the appearance.

Agreed, mine came out hazy for some reason...the commercial ones I've had, have been clear. I will try again, maybe crash for longer.

 

[Yesfan]

Seems like Cold IPA is the child of West Coast IPA and a Pilsner? Could you just use a pilsner grainbill and west coast hop schedule, then pitch a Kolsch yeast at low temps?

I get the word salad on these styles, but doesn't bother me. CDA vs BIPA when it's really a "bull sh!t hoppy stout" in the end. Still a good tasting beer.

 

[Nate R]

I think cold ipa = IPL for all intents and puposes.
Wayfinder (Oregon) makes a darn fine version.
I personally am so excited for Lagers to become "the next big thing" on the beer scene. I don't care what the marketing team decides to call it!!
Some darn fine breweries are making thoose ultra delicate, hard to hide errors beers.... yum.

And... if i can drop some uber pretentiousness here...
Check out Hanabi Lager from Napa CA. They are trying to do for grain (malt) what we do now for hops. Make a focus on the grain strain, where it's grown, etc. Lager is a great beer to do this. Sorry off topic just a bit...
But my point is:
I love beer
I love people that make beer
I love people that try to make new beer
I love people that only make 1 style of beer
I love people who make beer between the two (1 beer style to many new beer styles)
I look at beer names like Horse names in a race- call 'em whatever the hell you want to- it's how it performs that counts to me.

Off topic a tad, but to the OP:
I haven't made one yet. Looking forward to it soon.
In the meantime... i'm doing as much research as i can!

 

[Yesfan]

........I look at beer names like Horse names in a race- call 'em whatever the hell you want to- it's how it performs that counts to me.

If I had a race horse, I'd name it Hoof-Hearted!

 

[Bobby_M]

But Bobby, isn't that same thing at the heart of IPAs in general?

My expectation didn't match the realization, yet it held vastly more fidelity to the true origin of IPA than anything we serve here on this side of the pond.

American IPA was an extension of the original intent of English style IPAs. It was a decidedly more hop forward ale than anything before it. When it was Americanized, the hops got more potent but it was still pale in color and fermented with ale yeast. It wasn't filled with oxymoron like Black Pale or Lager Ale.

I have nothing against the beer itself, experimentation or pushing boundaries. I'm just calling shenanigan's on the lazy naming.

 

[Nate R]

original intent of English style IPAs.

Edit- i re-read Bobby's point and realized... i was arguing the sane point! D'oh!

I'm just calling shenanigan's

Makes me think of South Park and Super Troopers. Dang i am just so immature!

Edit- this is still true!

 

[Broothru]

American IPA was an extension of the original intent of English style IPAs. It was a decidedly more hop forward ale than anything before it. When it was Americanized, the hops got more potent but it was still pale in color and fermented with ale yeast. It wasn't filled with oxymoron like Black Pale or Lager Ale.

I have nothing against the beer itself, experimentation or pushing boundaries. I'm just calling shenanigan's on the lazy naming.

Pretty much in agreement with everything. Just pointing out a subtle exception.

A few years back, around the time that 'Black IPA' was making its debut in the Pacific Northwest, I entered a small local BJCP sanctioned comp that was limited to IPAs. I thought I'd get 'too cute by half' and enter a Black IPA, to separate it from the crowd.

My entry got DQ'd (correctly, I might add) for not meeting the style guidelines. It did, however, get some very favorable comments from the judges who sampled it

I agree that calling it Black IPA is a stretch, but named as a new or provisional style (Cascadian Ale) is both accurate and appropriate to the region where it originated.

 

[bwible]

I had this one recently. I mean Iron Maiden, right? Really cool looking can. I have to say it was good.

 

[Yesfan]

I agree that calling it Black IPA is a stretch, but named as a new or provisional style (Cascadian Ale) is both accurate and appropriate to the region where it originated.

I'm from Tennessee, and I agree it should've been called Cascadian Dark Ale, instead of Black IPA. I'm not irate against it being called BIPA like some of our PNW brethren were, but totally understand their angst against it. Michael Dawson referred to it as "bull **** hoppy stout" in his Mashmaker book (recommended reading if you don't have it) and too be honest, I like that best.

I had this one recently. I mean Iron Maiden, right? Really cool looking can. I have to say it was good.

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I've had their Trooper Ale and thought it was pretty damn good!

Now, if I can just get a few cans of Rush's new beers...............

 

[Nagorg]

I had this one recently. I mean Iron Maiden, right? Really cool looking can. I have to say it was good.

I LOVE Iron Maiden! But The Trooper IPA had a great bottle label and the caps were arguably cooler. However the beer itself was pretty crappy, sadly...

 

[Nagorg]

I've had their Trooper Ale and thought it was pretty damn good!

Now, if I can just get a few cans of Rush's new beers...............

The Trooper Ale is not bad. But the Trooper IPA is pretty stanky...

Rush has beer?!?!? WANT!