I think N.A.M.BL.A or NAMBLA rolls off the tongue nicely.
Are you serious?
I think N.A.M.BL.A or NAMBLA rolls off the tongue nicely.
Teromous said:I think that we forget that America is huge, and encompasses two continents!
Teromous said:I like ABA, but I think that we forget that America is huge, and encompasses two continents! We should at the very least isolate the name to North America. Also, the term Black Ale, while concise, does not accurately describe the beer. It is black, but I feel that in the spirit of history and naming conventions, we should call it Mighty Black Ale. I think N.A.M.BL.A or NAMBLA rolls off the tongue nicely.
tennesseean_87 said:You guys took that one hook, line and sinker.
You guys took that one hook, line and sinker.
60% of the time it works every time.
It's got pieces of real tiger in it....
Considering the Brewer's Association has named a style for it already - American Style Black Ale - the odds are high that the BJCP will use the same name eventually.
Personally I never cared until I started to realize that a region of the country was going to try to lobby to make it their own. It struck me as highly pretentious, on par with the hipsters in Brooklyn attempting to re-name neighborhoods that have existed for years. Come to think of it, many hipsters come from the PNW... hmm...
I like American Style Black Ale, never cared for BIPA, CDA, or IDA, none of those 3 make sense. I have had several good examples of the style, and like the ones with a slight roast flavor. The ones with caraf are pointless to me, if I can close my eyes and not tell it is an ASBA or IPA then why bother, the color is much less important than the taste.
I, too, like the India Black Ale name and use that for my beers. I believe the "Pale" in IPA refered to the malt, not the color of the beer.
Are you serious?
but please explain why any hoppy beer has to refer to India.
This is a good name. It's simple, descriptive and it doesn't bring in all of the misleading historical implications. Let's face it, c-hopped dark ales AREN'T PALE, and have exactly zero connection with any beer anybody did, or didn't export to India in the 1700s. I'm okay with CDA, I'm fine with ASBA - just not the nonsensical, confusing, faux-historical, misleading, category lumping, d.a. term Black IPA.
BrewMU said:Just think, some self important science geek is out there RIGHT NOW wasting his day trying to cure cancer. Hey, Poindexter, we got real bidness to settle here! Put down that vial and get serious.
This is the real point as far as I'm concerned - IPAs don't have roasted grains. If you use food-coloring to darken it, that would be, first a waste of time and dye, but then, yes, a BIPA. If you actually use roasted malts, how in the bleep is it an IPA? It'd be more accurate to call it a hoppy brown or a hoppy porter, or something like that. I think that taste, aroma and body are primary beer characteristics - color is whatever you get when you tune those to your preference. Would 7-up be Coke if you added caramel coloring?
2BeerSpeer said:I dont care what you call it but I'd like a recipe (beersmith file would be awesome) if anyone has a good one! I bought the wrong grains for an oatmeal stout and figured I'd make one of these watcha call'ems....Thanks
despite what the bjcp says, the commercial market will dictate what they are commonly called. The market seems to be going with black ipa!
Not one of the better ones I've had
Hmmm Stone's Greg Koch calls it Black IPA... you can find some debate videos out there of him vs people calling it CDA. They also called their 11th and 15th anniversary beers Black IPA's.Stone's doesn't have a style, just Sublimely Self Righteous.
I'm not sure you can really say that based on a list of a handful of beers, a couple that are brown ales... (not to say you're wrong though...)it seems more commercial breweries are not using the term Black IPA.
Hmmm Stone's Greg Koch calls it Black IPA... you can find some debate videos out there of him vs people calling it CDA. They also called their 11th and 15th anniversary beers Black IPA's.
I'm not sure you can really say that based on a handful of beers, a couple that are brown ales...
IPAs don't feature roasted grains, appropriate sentence ending punctuation.Okay folks. This is really simple. Most people call it a Black IPA because the idea is to take a standard American IPA recipe and add enough roasted grains to make it black without being extremely roasty. That's it. Take an IPA, make it black = BLACK IPA!!
I'm no lover or advocate of this style, but in my mind, they are different from American Brown Ale, American Porters, and American Stouts.
A lot of IPAs aren't really pale, anyway. A lot of them lean more toward a heavy amber these days, if not flat out red. I don't hear anyone screaming about still referring to those as India Pale Ales.
Despite what the BJCP says, the commercial market will dictate what they are commonly called. The market seems to be going with Black IPA!
Not one of the better ones I've had
Hmmm Stone's Greg Koch calls it Black IPA... you can find some debate videos out there of him vs people calling it CDA. They also called their 11th and 15th anniversary beers Black IPA's.
I'm not sure you can really say that based on a list of a handful of beers, a couple that are brown ales... (not to say you're wrong though...)
:roll eyes:In an effort to support my point, I'm going to argue on the internet!! :roll eyes:
I can honestly say I've never seen a CDA.
More or less... using a list of a handful of beers arbitrarily listed to make the point that "it seems more commercial breweries are not using the term Black IPA" isn't really all that persuasive because it's not based off anything substantial. I can just as easily throw out a bunch of names and the list can have more Black IPA's than not and say the same exact thing.so being lazy and not having a bigger list invalidates the point?
I never said anything about Yakima Glory... but it's natural for the latter to be brought up in the discussion, sure, as the style overlaps and is similar to others... but DFH IBA is still categorized as a brown ale.and really, things like Yakima Glory/Twilight, DFH IBA and all those are regularly brought up in the india style dark ale discussion....
That's nice.i think i can say what what i want about the style, right or wrong, i'm quite familiar with it and understand the guidelines pretty well.
it seems more commercial breweries are not using the term Black IPA.
More or less... using a list of a handful of beers arbitrarily listed to make the point that "it seems more commercial breweries are not using the term Black IPA" isn't really all that persuasive because it's not based off anything substantial. I can just as easily throw out a bunch of names and the list can have more Black IPA's than not and say the same exact thing.
I never said anything about Yakima Glory....
That's nice.
I'm not sure "American" or "Cascadian" belong in the name.
What does one call Grassroots/Stillwater/Mikkeller's Gypsy Juice which certainly leans in the Black IPA direction but uses a saison yeast and tosses in some Brett B for good measure?
It's not even about being nitpicky though. If you're going to make a blanket statement like that, you need facts, not conjecture, for it to hold any weight.not being able to convince you saddens me. i'd try again, but i'm sure i'd leave something out, giving you more to nitpick. :cross:
But you hadn't previously, nor had I said anything about it, so it came off as a strawman as you're making it sound like I wouldn't agree with it being brought up in a discussion of Black IPA/CDA/ISDA/etc. or something. I never said they didn't or shouldn't come up in discussion, or that people don't label their beers something other than Black IPA when they fit the general guidelines of the so called style (such as Victory), so I'm really struggling to see your point.you didn't, but i did. and it's regularly brought up in the whole discussion as one of these beers. the brewers at Victory consider it a dark IPA. sorry i'm still too groggy this morning to link the web video with them for you as proof of that. i'll just have to live with that.
Obviously.thanks, i thought so. i'm probably wrong though, it's obviously a style i know very little about.
2. To make judging easier. Shoehorning beers into styles and forcing them to fit guidelines makes judging seem less subjective. The jury is still out on whether it actually does that, but it makes it SEEM less subjective.
Ok. My two cents.
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