The ORIGINAL Black IPA!

[PoorBoy]

Why is no one taking Black Hop Monster seriously? I ****ing love it. That's what i'm going with. Prymal Black Hop Monster, to give appropriate credit.

 

[ArcaneXor]

As with so many "inventions" and discoveries, it's rarely the first person who gets the credit, but the last one. Hence we have Columbus Day rather than Eriksson Day, and schoolchildren learn that Bell invented the telephone.

 

[Prymal]

Why is no one taking Black Hop Monster seriously? I ****ing love it. That's what i'm going with. Prymal Black Hop Monster, to give appropriate credit.

I am glad that I could be a part of history. Though I hadn't heard American Black Ale which I do like a lot.

 

[Homercidal]

I find the name Cascadian Dark Ale, like the beer it represents, has a nice look about it...

But leaves a bitter taste on the tongue.

I'm with ABG. The lobbying is what sticks in my craw. American Black Ale is an apt and reasonable alternative. ABA. Holy crap, you realize that's only ONE LETTER away from being ABBA!????

 

[pm5k00]

I find the name Cascadian Dark Ale, like the beer it represents, has a nice look about it...

But leaves a bitter taste on the tongue.

I'm with ABG. The lobbying is what sticks in my craw. American Black Ale is an apt and reasonable alternative. ABA. Holy crap, you realize that's only ONE LETTER away from being ABBA!????

That just opens up another can of worms. ABA is American Brown Ale. That's the abbreviation that has been in use for an American Brown for as long as i can remember anyways.

 

[tennesseean_87]

I like India Black Ale. Have American style IPA's historically been exported to India? They are still called IPA's, and the difference in a BIPA/CDA/et. al. and an IPA is that it is not pale any more. Hence that part of the name should be changed. IPA--> IBA.

I have never had one before.

 

[barrooze]

I personaly like the name Cascadian Dark Ale better then Black IPA just for the plan fact its not contradictory.

I like India Black Ale. Have American style IPA's historically been exported to India? They are still called IPA's, and the difference in a BIPA/CDA/et. al. and an IPA is that it is not pale any more. Hence that part of the name should be changed. IPA--> IBA.

I have never had one before.

I, too, like the India Black Ale name and use that for my beers. I believe the "Pale" in IPA refered to the malt, not the color of the beer.

 

[Whippy]

American Schwarzbier

 

[Airborneguy]

I just left Rock Art Brewery in Vermont and the owner got pretty riled up when we started talking about this beer (they make one called Black Moon). She said that the west is trying to co-opt the style as their own and name it, but that when the Brewer's Association had its meetings there was too much respect for Greg Noonan and the west coast people had no chance.

 

[Teromous]

I like ABA, but I think that we forget that America is huge, and encompasses two continents! We should at the very least isolate the name to North America. Also, the term Black Ale, while concise, does not accurately describe the beer. It is black, but I feel that in the spirit of history and naming conventions, we should call it Mighty Black Ale. I think N.A.M.BL.A or NAMBLA rolls off the tongue nicely.

 

[barrooze]

I think N.A.M.BL.A or NAMBLA rolls off the tongue nicely.

Are you serious?

 

[pm5k00]

I think that we forget that America is huge, and encompasses two continents!

Anything called American is in reference to the USA and nowhere else. People from Canada, or Brazil, or any other country in North or South America don't claim to be American. I don't think that is an issue.

 

[mux]

I like ABA, but I think that we forget that America is huge, and encompasses two continents! We should at the very least isolate the name to North America. Also, the term Black Ale, while concise, does not accurately describe the beer. It is black, but I feel that in the spirit of history and naming conventions, we should call it Mighty Black Ale. I think N.A.M.BL.A or NAMBLA rolls off the tongue nicely.

I don't that is gonna work, take a look at this!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Man/Boy_Love_Association

 

[Teromous]

Are you serious?

 

[barrooze]

That group is almost better than this group:

ALMOST.

 

[tennesseean_87]

You guys took that one hook, line and sinker.

 

[pyth]

How can a Pale Ale, be dark? The entire story is an oxymoron, it does not make sense. They really ought to find something else to call hoppy dark beer.

 

[mux]

You guys took that one hook, line and sinker.

Did we?

 

[Teromous]

You guys took that one hook, line and sinker.

60% of the time it works every time.

 

[Piratwolf]

60% of the time it works every time.

It's got pieces of real tiger in it....

 

[Teromous]

It's got pieces of real tiger in it....

You are a smelly piratwolf hooker. Why don't you go back to your home on whore island?

 

[ScootersAle]

Personally I got for the unbiased real name for it: VBA - Vermont Black Ale.

 

[BrewMU]

Considering the Brewer's Association has named a style for it already - American Style Black Ale - the odds are high that the BJCP will use the same name eventually.

Personally I never cared until I started to realize that a region of the country was going to try to lobby to make it their own. It struck me as highly pretentious, on par with the hipsters in Brooklyn attempting to re-name neighborhoods that have existed for years. Come to think of it, many hipsters come from the PNW... hmm...

This is a good name. It's simple, descriptive and it doesn't bring in all of the misleading historical implications. Let's face it, c-hopped dark ales AREN'T PALE, and have exactly zero connection with any beer anybody did, or didn't export to India in the 1700s. I'm okay with CDA, I'm fine with ASBA - just not the nonsensical, confusing, faux-historical, misleading, category lumping, d.a. term Black IPA.

 

[BrewMU]

I like American Style Black Ale, never cared for BIPA, CDA, or IDA, none of those 3 make sense. I have had several good examples of the style, and like the ones with a slight roast flavor. The ones with caraf are pointless to me, if I can close my eyes and not tell it is an ASBA or IPA then why bother, the color is much less important than the taste.

This is the real point as far as I'm concerned - IPAs don't have roasted grains. If you use food-coloring to darken it, that would be, first a waste of time and dye, but then, yes, a BIPA. If you actually use roasted malts, how in the bleep is it an IPA? It'd be more accurate to call it a hoppy brown or a hoppy porter, or something like that. I think that taste, aroma and body are primary beer characteristics - color is whatever you get when you tune those to your preference. Would 7-up be Coke if you added caramel coloring?

 

[BrewMU]

I, too, like the India Black Ale name and use that for my beers. I believe the "Pale" in IPA refered to the malt, not the color of the beer.

Kind of begs the question - how do your IBAs get B? Some dark MALT maybe? If so, it's not an IPA, by your own standard - why stretch to force the word India in there? I mean, you can call your beer whatever you want - it is your beer - but please explain why any hoppy beer has to refer to India.

 

[BrewMU]

Are you serious?

Yeah, I think we can scratch NAMBLA off the list. For people who don't understand, just take my word for it - DO NOT GOOGLE THIS TERM. If you do, I promise you will regret it.

 

[NordeastBrewer77]

but please explain why any hoppy beer has to refer to India.

maybe because India is a hoppy place, full of hoppy people?!


no, really, CDAs are great, or ABA, whatever.... it's a great style of beer. i prefer the name Cascadian Dark (no offense, VTers, the hops are Cascadian, the styles about the hops, and the name has a nice ring to it), American Black Ale is fine too, until it starts being called ABA. i'm with Homercidal on that one. whatever you wanna call it, it's great beer! i brew a lot of them, there's a recipe in my pulldown for those poster who were wondering about this beer.

 

[BrewMU]

Just think, some self important science geek is out there RIGHT NOW wasting his day trying to cure cancer. Hey, Poindexter, we got real bidness to settle here! Put down that vial and get serious.

 

[SPLASTiK]

This is a good name. It's simple, descriptive and it doesn't bring in all of the misleading historical implications. Let's face it, c-hopped dark ales AREN'T PALE, and have exactly zero connection with any beer anybody did, or didn't export to India in the 1700s. I'm okay with CDA, I'm fine with ASBA - just not the nonsensical, confusing, faux-historical, misleading, category lumping, d.a. term Black IPA.

Meh, most of the common IPA story is misleading and not historically accurate either. I don't mind Black IPA, it perfectly describes what to expect to me.

Hell, there were ales referred to as "Black Pale Ale" which existed in the UK in the 19th century...

 

[Piratwolf]

Just think, some self important science geek is out there RIGHT NOW wasting his day trying to cure cancer. Hey, Poindexter, we got real bidness to settle here! Put down that vial and get serious.

At last, someone sees the true importance of this discussion!