Poll: Do you have, or plan to get, an electric car?

[passedpawn]

“Unveil end of year, aiming to ship next year,” he added.

Which is Musk for mockup drawings next year, unveil around 2027, and ship (maybe, if ever) by 2030

I guarantee there is a design team that just $hit a brick.

 

[Kharnynb]

would that brick be bigger or smaller than the one they nostril-passed after the pickup announcement?

no way you can have acceleration that heavy in a road car, it would cause too many accidents.

 

[Kharnynb]

so, no electric car for me yet for a while, we switched our car from a 2003 citroen xsara picasso to a 2020 renault kadjar.
Electric still just costs too much for a similar car that it isn't worth it for us.

 

[Bilsch]

so, no electric car for me yet for a while, we switched our car from a 2003 citroen xsara picasso to a 2020 renault kadjar.
Electric still just costs too much for a similar car that it isn't worth it for us.

Even if you take into account the cost savings on fuel and maintenance?

 

[Thorrak]

I'd think one buys that type of performance not for comfort, rather, effectually for the brutality of it.

1, 2, better not sue!

 

[Kharnynb]

Even if you take into account the cost savings on fuel and maintenance?

Sadly yes, the price difference would cover 10 years of gasoline even for the cheapest reasonably similar electric car

 

[Bilsch]

Sadly yes, the price difference would cover 10 years of gasoline even for the cheapest reasonably similar electric car

I guess I was interested in the full calculation including savings in the differences in fuel vs electric cost per mile and maintenance savings. Over time these generally save more then the vehicle cost difference.

 

[whoaru99]

I guess I was interested in the full calculation including savings in the differences in fuel vs electric cost per mile and maintenance savings. Over time these generally save more then the vehicle cost difference.

I think it really depends on the context and to me it's not clear what you're really saying.

Is the context you're framing of someone that's decided to buy a different vehicle so it's the consideration of buying ICE or buying EV?

Or, in the context of someone that has a perfectly serviceable and perhaps even paid for ICE car, but buying an EV as replacement for sake of cost of electricity vs gas, etc.?

 

[mac_1103]

Or, in the context of someone that has a perfectly serviceable and perhaps even paid for ICE car, but buying an EV as replacement for sake of cost of electricity vs gas, etc.?

Buying a new car is never going to make economic sense if you already have a perfectly serviceable car. So I think it's safe to assume arguendo that the context is "if you're buying a new car anyway..."

 

[Bilsch]

I think it really depends on the context and to me it's not clear what you're really saying.

Is the context you're framing of someone that's decided to buy a different vehicle so it's the consideration of buying ICE or buying EV?

Or, in the context of someone that has a perfectly serviceable and perhaps even paid for ICE car, but buying an EV as replacement for sake of cost of electricity vs gas, etc.?

You mentioned your reason was the difference in price was 10 years of gas. I'm wondering what the calculation would be taking into account the savings in fuel cost and maintenance. That's it.
Usually when all is considered the EV comes out less especially over 10 years time. Unless of course your electricity is crazy high.

I also agree selling a perfectly good gas car to replace with EV does not make sense unless said gas car is very inefficient and you live where gas is very high.

 

[whoaru99]

You mentioned your reason was the difference in price was 10 years of gas.

I didn't mention that.

But, far as maintenance, at least in my case with my paid-for ICE vehicle, even with maintenance which I consider has been pretty minimal really, it wouldn't pay to go to EV just for gas and maintenance cost as the car is perfectly serviceable.

Buying a new car is never going to make economic sense if you already have a perfectly serviceable car. So I think it's safe to assume arguendo that the context is "if you're buying a new car anyway..."

I sought clarification on the context from Bilsch because it occured to me that's the point of Kharnyb, he's not buying a different car anyway.

 

[mac_1103]

I sought clarification on the context from Bilsch because it occured to me that's the point of Kharnyb, he's not buying a different car anyway.

And in the process confused him into thinking that you were Kharnyb!

Like I said, if we're doing a cost of ownership comparison between an upfront expenditure of tens of thousands of dollars and an upfront expenditure of zero dollars, well, it's going to be really hard to beat spending zero dollars.

 

[whoaru99]

And in the process confused him into thinking that you were Kharnyb!

Like I said, if we're doing a cost of ownership comparison between an upfront expenditure of tens of thousands of dollars and an upfront expenditure of zero dollars, well, it's going to be really hard to beat spending zero dollars.

LOL.

And, yeah, the second part is where I was going depending the response. Sounds like we're mostly on the same page there.

 

[Bilsch]

And in the process confused him into thinking that you were Kharnyb!

Like I said, if we're doing a cost of ownership comparison between an upfront expenditure of tens of thousands of dollars and an upfront expenditure of zero dollars, well, it's going to be really hard to beat spending zero dollars.

Yep.. that happened.
Oh well. I guess I really didn't need to know.

 

[Airborneguy]

For the next few weeks I’m working at a site 63 miles each way from home. I’m definitely happy to be driving a Tesla. I used 53% rountrip today. That cost me $4.50. Gas in my Outback would have been $18.

 

[whoaru99]

Oh well. I guess I really didn't need to know.

It's something you gotta play with your own numbers for anyway. Someone else's use case, operating and maintenance costs may not parallel yours.

 

[betarhoalphadelta]

Finally saw a CyberTruck out there in the wild yesterday!

Holy crap, that thing is even uglier in person than in pictures!

 

[hout17]

I saw Toyota has a great hydrogen engine design and you don't need a battery. To little to late possibly? Electric has started to take hold.

Tech News World link

 

[Bilsch]

I saw Toyota has a great hydrogen engine design and you don't need a battery. To little to late possibly? Electric has started to take hold.

Tech News World link

The price of hydrogen would have to be $3/kg to reach price parity with electric vehicles. It's currently over $30 in California where all the H2 filling stations are. In comparison it's about 15 euro/kg in Europe.

 

[hout17]

The price of hydrogen would have to be $3/kg to reach price parity with electric vehicles. It's currently over $30 in California where all the H2 filling stations are. In comparison it's about 15 euro/kg in Europe.

Yeah, but I'm guessing that's because there is no infrastructure and California is always expensive as hell anyways.

 

[Airborneguy]

Hydrogen works great in a closed system. It will never work for the millions of cars across the country. It’s simply too expensive to transport, store, and dispense.

 

[Bilsch]

Yeah, but I'm guessing that's because there is no infrastructure and California is always expensive as hell anyways.

The problem for hydrogen is that you will always be able to drive at least twice as far on a kilowatt of electricity directly in an EV then you could on the hydrogen made from that same kilowatt of power. Sadly there is no way around that.

 

[hout17]

Hydrogen works great in a closed system. It will never work for the millions of cars across the country. It’s simply too expensive to transport, store, and dispense.

That sounds like the perfect project for the innovators out there.

 

[hout17]

The problem for hydrogen is that you will always be able to drive at least twice as far on a kilowatt of electricity directly in an EV then you could on the hydrogen made from that same kilowatt of power. Sadly there is no way around that.

That's a great point.

 

[Agent]

The problem for hydrogen is that you will always be able to drive at least twice as far on a kilowatt of electricity directly in an EV then you could on the hydrogen made from that same kilowatt of power. Sadly there is no way around that.

Except it's not that there is any shortage of energy in a broad sense. It's mostly a quantity, density, and timing issue. A single AA battery holds 0.07 cents worth of utility electricity, but obviously you expect to pay way, way more than it's electrical value for various reasons.

Hydrogen had the potential for harvesting grid energy at its most plentiful and storing it for convenient use at a reasonable cost, in addition for being a "easy" retrofit for the millions of vehicles out there.

Of course, that didn't come to fruition for various reasons - the least of which was final drive efficiency.

 

[day_trippr]

I kind of get into Rivian's styling - though more towards the uber-clean and apparently quite functional SUV interior than the stark exterior. Reading various reviews my impression had been peeps were eager to land one! I wasn't aware they're struggling to stay afloat, and it seems if the upcoming R2 doesn't launch exceptionally well, Rivian might be toast...

https://www.wired.com/story/rivian-...9652-18546d3282db_popular4-1-reranked-by-vidi

 

[Thorrak]

The problem for hydrogen is that you will always be able to drive at least twice as far on a kilowatt of electricity directly in an EV then you could on the hydrogen made from that same kilowatt of power. Sadly there is no way around that.

One major use case I see here is farm equipment. If you can build near-point-of-use hydrogen generation, then things that have to run continuously can quickly refuel without having to haul batteries across the world.

 

[Kharnynb]

Costs differ for everyone, and mine would be very different than a US person.
The cost of a similar electric car to our current "new to us" car, would be at least 10.000 euro's more.
modifying the electrics and upgrading service would add another 1000+ 40 per month extra.
Since we mostly drive very short trips in town, with the odd trip to helsinki once or twice a year(500 km) it would take ages to see that money back.

 

[sibelman]

From the New York Times

 

[Airborneguy]

Any homeowner with a steady commute who hasn’t at least considered one is doing themselves a serious disservice.