Does your tesla have a bed? Sounds like you need a truck.
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No I tow my jetski a lot, and have towed trailers. I’d love a truck, but for 99% of my driving it would be a hindrance.
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my dad, who's been caravaning to france for roughly 40 years now, with a 1500 kg empty caravan, doing roughly 8000 km each year, has never driven a truck in his life outside of maybe something borrowed for a day, mostly it's been toyota verso diesels the last 20 years, but before it was anything from a corolla to a few midsized honda's.
I've pulled boat trailers with decent sized fishing boats with a kia sorento just fine, if your boat is so big that you can't pull it with a regular car, you're rich enough to afford a docking fee where you want it most of the year.
I've pulled boat trailers with decent sized fishing boats with a kia sorento just fine, if your boat is so big that you can't pull it with a regular car, you're rich enough to afford a docking fee where you want it most of the year.
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I just bought a used P100DL from Rivian, lol...true story - should be here next week once we find transport for it.
Now I need to sell my V wagon : )
Back to electric fun!
Now I need to sell my V wagon : )
Back to electric fun!
I posted this on another forum recently. It’s a breakdown of my very nearly one year of Tesla driving electricity usage. I believe I posted it two weeks before the actual one year anniversary.
Airborneguy;64724558 said:I tried to post an actual picture of my trips screen but it's too large.
Last Trip: 13 miles, 294 wh/mi
I was having some fun.
Since last charge: 102 miles, 274 wh/m
I told you guys I drive a lot, that's my normal daily routine.
Total: 23,756 @ 285 wh/mi @ 6778 kWh
That's 23,756 miles in 11 months for all those "they're good around town cars, but that's it." lol
6778 kwh at my rate has cost me $949.
In my previous car, at an average 27mpg and of $3.00 gas, I'd have spent $2640. I haven't seen $3.00 gas in a long time. It was $3.29 this morning when I passed the gas station, and far above that for most of the time I've owned this car.
There's your real world experience line by line. The haters are blindly guessing. Always remember that.
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Do electric vehicles cost more than ICE vehicles? If so, should that be included in a discussion about electric vs ICE cost of ownership? (BTW, I'm not a hater - I see a Tesla in my future, and that's how I voted in this pole way back)
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Yesterday I had to fuel up our 24~28 mpg (city) Volvo. Mid-grade had jumped $.20/gal in one week from $3.59 to $3.79 for mid-grade octane. Our Prius is about to start getting more "exercise." I also fueled up our diesel RV before winterizing and storage. Last week diesel had dropped to $4.19/gal at one local station, which is the cheapest I've seen in a looong time. Yesterday it had jumped to $4.69 at the same station. $0.50 in one week!
I did find a station that still had a lower price at $4.37/gal, but the way Dino Juice is jumping, it won't be there for long. Still better than the nearly $6 per I was paying in some places last summer. C'mon Mercedes. Start offering your electric Sprinter conversion cut-away chassis to RV up-fitters. The market is ripe!
I did find a station that still had a lower price at $4.37/gal, but the way Dino Juice is jumping, it won't be there for long. Still better than the nearly $6 per I was paying in some places last summer. C'mon Mercedes. Start offering your electric Sprinter conversion cut-away chassis to RV up-fitters. The market is ripe!
Yes, but not as much as people tend to think, and incentives can actually bring them lower than comparable vehicles.
I’m no expert on EV prices, so I’ll stick to my situation.
My Model 3 Performance was bought used (I didn’t want to wait). I was given a massive trade in check from a lease, but that’s irrelevant to your question.
An equivalent BMW (the fairest comparison in function and form) would have been around $52,000 compared to the $57,000 I paid for the Tesla. But here’s the thing: NJ doesn’t charge sales tax on EVs, so even though I didn’t qualify for any rebates, I paid $57,075 total ($75 for registration) while the BMW would have cost me $3700 or so in taxes, making the total cost almost the same.
I drive enough to justify the initial outlay, 25,000+ miles annually. Haters love to call them “around town” cars but you only really see the benefit if you use them for more than that.
Dino Juice is expensive here in CA. But although it's been trending down of late, the cost of electrons is going WAY up.
Yep. As stated previously, I'm locked into my ICEV pretty much until at least the first child goes to college (3 1/2 years from now). It's a Ford Flex, so it's a 7-passenger vehicle with a lot of room, which I'll need until then. There aren't a lot of (any?) EV equivalents that are remotely in the same vehicle price point and class. And further, it's fully paid off, so there's no point in replacing it before then. After all, it's only got 80K miles.
The question is what to do then? I can legitimately downsize at that point, but if I'm still driving the number of miles I do now (i.e. regular WFH with 1-2 days in the office per week, even fewer kid-related dropoffs/pickups as my oldest is out of the house, etc), if used low-mileage BEVs are not near cost parity with a good used low-mileage ICEV, do I drive enough to save with BEV? I don't know.
But, I've got 3.5+ years to figure it out, so I guess I'll wait and see.
It depends.
I think the Chevy Bolt and Nissan Leaf might both be under $20,000 new when one considers tax incentives.
I have been thinking about an electric vehicle. I saw the Silverado has an electric version that I thought looked pretty good. I have to do a lot more research and to be honest, they need to bring the prices down. The link to the Ram Electric is pretty cool. I really like the Dodge Ram, but I have never owned a Dodge before and have read they have some reliability issues. But, as of now, the Ram gas truck is pretty sweet looking. So, the answer to the question is, I am considering it, but they need to get the prices down and I need to figure out how I can get a charging station in my little Garage. LOL.
I know from the time that I lived in the Bay Area that SSF is a lot more space-constrained than even where I live now in Orange County. And that MANY of the people in my neighborhood (including me) use the garage for storage more than for cars. I use it for both, but I can't fit an EV in the garage because my topless Jeep is in there lol.
I will say that in my neighborhood, I see a LOT of people who park an EV in their driveways and run the cord under their garage door. So if you can get the charging station in your garage, you may still be able to charge your EV if you can't fit it in the garage.
That said, I'm not sure how the crime / vandalism / etc situation is in SSF... People in my neighborhood aren't going to F with someone charging their EV in the driveway, but it's a pretty sleepy neighborhood. So maybe that's a factor up there.
I saw this on another forum and I’m torn. I think it’s great but $125k for the camper and at least $75k for the tow vehicle? That’s a lot of money for “camping”.
I have a Toyota Sequoia that serves as a family adventure rig. It’s a gas hog but only gets driven a few times a month. I commute in a Subaru. One can easily pick up a used 23’ camper for less than 20k. For our family it doesn’t pencil out. Especially since we camp 3-4 times per year.
I’d rather purchase a plug in hybrid or electric commuter and keep my gas hog for adventure stuff.
Ps- I read somewhere that the F150 lightning is jumping in price. I like that thing but commuting in a full size pickup, electric or gas, does t make sense for my situation.
I’m seeing more and more Rivians near me. Saw a nice black one today. I love my Tesla, but having a Rivian would be sick!
I heard something about a massive recall of Rivians. I hope that it isn't as big of a deal as it appeared at first. They do look really nice!
It's not a Dodge Ram. Dodge does not make trucks anymore. The brand is Ram. And yes, the Ram 1500 is a sweet truck, especially the Longhorn edition
RAM is made by Dodge. They're still the same company; the only difference is that Dodge cars, SUVs, and minivans are under Dodge branding, and their pickups are labeled as the RAM brand...
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I see a ton of Rivians, given that their HQ is about a 20 minute drive from my house (and mere minutes from my office).
I worry about their future as a company, though. They don't have Tesla's first-mover advantage and they came onto the market only barely before the big automakers jumped into the EV market.
Long term, they seem more likely to focus on the Amazon contract and more like it.
Nope. Dodge is a brand, RAM is a brand, Jeep is a brand. All are owned and made by Chrysler (or Fiat Chrysler, or now Stellantis as of a couple of yrs ago).
LOL. The point being I think the Ram trucks, either by Dodge or not, are sweet looking. I am looking at getting one of the gas powered ones for retirement as I plan to travel the country and pull a small to medium size trailer. I have never owned a Ram or Dodge product, so I have no experience. Also, keeping on subject, the Ram or Dodge and the Silverado I think are really nice EV's. The price point right now is just too high for me. Maybe in a year or two when the used market catches up they might be a bit more budget friendly.
Someone gives me $100,000 under the condition that I spend it all on a vehicle I have to keep for 40,000 miles, I'm going with a Hummer truck.
My friends are piling on me right now for saying that EV road trips are better than ICE road trips. Meanwhile they made fun of me for years for driving all over the country - in gas cars.
It’s an odd topic. The anti’s really think they know what they’re talking about while the proponents/owners are the only ones who actually know both sides.
It’s an odd topic. The anti’s really think they know what they’re talking about while the proponents/owners are the only ones who actually know both sides.
Yeah, but I'm sure Amazon has plenty of outs in that contract if Rivian can't remain competitive. I'm not super-familiar with Rivian, but I can't really think of any technology moat they've built around themselves, and they're burning cash at a fantastic rate.
Tesla was able to survive that for a long time because they were the only real player in the game, and they grew enough to reach profitability. First mover advantage isn't a sufficient advantage once the big players get into the game, but it certainly helps a hell of a lot. Rivian doesn't have that.
BTW my thesis on the EV market...
Long-term, it will all come down to battery technology. You won't be able to be a credible competitor in the market if you're not vertically-integrated in batteries. They are such a significant part of the BOM cost of these vehicles that anyone that can develop, cost-effectively, in-house and reap the profit margin they're paying today to Panasonic or BYD or LGChem will have a huge advantage.
It's what everyone is chasing, and it might take a decade or longer, but eventually outsourcing battery production will seem as foreign to automakers as it would seem to outsource engine production today.
Long-term, it will all come down to battery technology. You won't be able to be a credible competitor in the market if you're not vertically-integrated in batteries. They are such a significant part of the BOM cost of these vehicles that anyone that can develop, cost-effectively, in-house and reap the profit margin they're paying today to Panasonic or BYD or LGChem will have a huge advantage.
It's what everyone is chasing, and it might take a decade or longer, but eventually outsourcing battery production will seem as foreign to automakers as it would seem to outsource engine production today.
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