Loving Marris Otter - Yum!!!

[Drinking Sensibly]

I've been using Simpson's Golden Promise as my base malt for everything the past year, I really like it.
I've used Marris Otter in the past, good stuff too.

It's easy for me because I live in the UK but I use 50:50 maris otter and golden promise in every brew I make that uses pale malt.

 

[bwible]

I have tried most of those. I think victory malt is on my list to try soon. Any experience with Victory malt?

Victory malt is a standard ingredient in almost everything I brew. All of my recipies usually have a half pound.

Carapils is the other one I swear by. Breiss says about 3% for added head retention and lace.

And yes, floor malted Warminster Maris Otter is fantastic especially for British styles. I’ve been using it for more than 20 years. Love it.

I have a sack of Simpsons Best Pale Ale malt and I like that too.

I usually just buy Breiss 2-row for American pale malt and mix that along with a big percent of British malt in many recipes. I rarely use only Breiss and I only use all British malt for styles like Bitter.

 

[Miraculix]

Victory malt is a standard ingredient in almost everything I brew. All of my recipies usually have a half pound.

Carapils is the other one I swear by. Breiss says about 3% for added head retention and lace.

And yes, floor malted Warminster Maris Otter is fantastic especially for British styles. I’ve been using for more than 20 years. Love it.

I have a sack of Simpsons Best Pale Ale malt and I like that too.

I usually just buy Breiss 2-row for American pale malt and mix that along with a big percent of British malt in many recipes. I rarely use only Breiss and I only use all British malt for styles like Bitter.

What's your experience with the carapils? Are you using it at the suggested 3% rate or have you also tried higher rates? Do you do a higher temperature step in general? I guess you've had success with the head improvement?

 

[HM-2]

I've totally abandoned using CaraPils and replaced it with CaraHell. In my experience it's even better for head retention, and adds the faintest touch of honey sweetness that mostly seems to have a rounding effect rather like good conditioning time.

 

[wepeeler]

What's your experience with the carapils? Are you using it at the suggested 3% rate or have you also tried higher rates? Do you do a higher temperature step in general? I guess you've had success with the head improvement?

I've used both Carapils and Carafoam (they are not the same), and I much prefer Carafoam. Though I only use it in hazy IPAs at 5%. I feel like it helps with dense, stable head retention and lacing, but I also use a lot of wheat in the hazy, sooooo...

I used to use it in every beer, but I'm not a fan of it in lighter beers. I used to use it at 5%, maybe that's a touch high for lighter, drier beer?

 

[Miraculix]

I've used both Carapils and Carafoam (they are not the same), and I much prefer Carafoam. Though I only use it in hazy IPAs at 5%. I feel like it helps with dense, stable head retention and lacing, but I also use a lot of wheat in the hazy, sooooo...

I used to use it in every beer, but I'm not a fan of it in lighter beers. I used to use it at 5%, maybe that's a touch high for lighter, drier beer?

Do you incorporate high temperature steps in your mashing schedule?

 

[bwible]

What's your experience with the carapils? Are you using it at the suggested 3% rate or have you also tried higher rates? Do you do a higher temperature step in general? I guess you've had success with the head improvement?

I usually aim for right about 3%. Their site says 1-5% and I think I arrived at 3% by going in the middle of that. I just about always do that 3% rounded off to an even ounce, give or take.

I do different mashes for different beers. I took to doing a mash out step at the end, usually something like 165 for 10 min. But I started doing that ages ago, I think back then they said it was for improved efficency. But I don’t conduct any mash at 158 for an hour or anything.

 

[bwible]

I've totally abandoned using CaraPils and replaced it with CaraHell. In my experience it's even better for head retention, and adds the faintest touch of honey sweetness that mostly seems to have a rounding effect rather like good conditioning time.

Thanks I’ll have to try that

 

[wepeeler]

Do you incorporate high temperature steps in your mashing schedule?

I step mash almost everything. For neipas I do a 145/158F. For everything lighter I do a 131/145/158F.

 

[Willy]

What's your experience with the carapils? Are you using it at the suggested 3% rate or have you also tried higher rates? Do you do a higher temperature step in general? I guess you've had success with the head improvement?

I use carapils at higher rates if I feel like it. At a rate ... 12 lb grain, + 1 lb caropils.

Also made a beyond straw light colored pilsner that looked like white wine. (Modest fail) Hahaha

 

[Miraculix]

You guys that are experiencing increased head retention with the cara malts, do you do a higher temperature step when mashing?

Edit: for those who didn't answer about that subject yet...

 

[JAReeves]

I use MO exclusively for my base malt, sometimes Pilsner for actual Pilsners tho. I add in a bit of C40, Victory, Amber, and CaraPils for body and additional flavor. It really lets hops shine and gives some background flavors in between.

 

[HM-2]

You guys that are experiencing increased head retention with the cara malts, do you do a higher temperature step when mashing?

Edit: for those who didn't answer about that subject yet...

Yes, usually. I do a 75°C mash out on pretty much all my beers.

 

[Kickass]

MO is one of my top two malts. Vienna being the other. Both are fantastic

 

[Willy]

Yes, usually. I do a 75°C mash out on pretty much all my beers.

Same... Always mash out at 170°F for 10 min. Also found that if I could crash at 3-5°F per day (down to 33-35°F) I get much better head retention and legs.

 

[Miraculix]

Same... Always mash out at 170°F for 10 min. Also found that if I could crash at 3-5°F per day (down to 33-35°F) I get much better head retention and legs.

I think that something has to drop out that decreases head. I've witnessed this many times before, that after a given time in the bottle, the head increases. The colder the beer, the quicker the improvement?

 

[Willy]

It's easy for me because I live in the UK but I use 50:50 maris otter and golden promise in every brew I make that uses pale malt.

Just ordered some golden promise to give it a whirl. Is it better in smaller doses or can you use it as a single malt mash? No experience here and would really appreciate any guidance on golden promise.

 

[Kris.J]

Just ordered some golden promise to give it a whirl. Is it better in smaller doses or can you use it as a single malt mash? No experience here and would really appreciate any guidance on golden promise.

Yes you can most definitely use 100% GP. I make a 5 gallon SMaSH with 14# of Golden Promise, 6 oz total of Nectaron hops, fermented hot at 95F with Omega Hornindal Kveik - OYL-091.
It is wonderful.

 

[Willy]

Yes you can most definitely use 100% GP. I make a 5 gallon SMaSH with 14# of Golden Promise, 6 oz total of Nectaron hops, fermented hot at 95F with Omega Hornindal Kveik - OYL-091.
It is wonderful.

Thanks. I thought so but was just guessing.

 

[Kris.J]

Thanks. I thought so but was just guessing.

You're welcome!

 

[Drinking Sensibly]

Just ordered some golden promise to give it a whirl. Is it better in smaller doses or can you use it as a single malt mash? No experience here and would really appreciate any guidance on golden promise.

https://www.themaltmiller.co.uk/product/simpsons-finest-pale-ale-golden-promise/?v=79cba1185463

 

[Kris.J]

https://www.themaltmiller.co.uk/product/simpsons-finest-pale-ale-golden-promise/?v=79cba1185463

Hot DAMN! Did the math, 1.54 USD per pound. Best I've spent on it is ~ 2.50 USD when purchasing a 55# sack.

Nice to be on the same island where it is grown!

 

[Drinking Sensibly]

Includes tax, which I understand isnt necessarily the case in US. Malt Miller are pretty pricey too (not intended as a criticism, they're value for money - freshness, packaging). I paid £2.30/Kg, rather than their £2.64. By my calculations $1.33/lb

 

[Ozarks Mountain Brewery]

Includes tax, which I understand isnt necessarily the case in US. Malt Miller are pretty pricey too (not intended as a criticism, they're value for money - freshness, packaging). I paid £2.30/Kg, rather than their £2.64. By my calculations $1.33/lb

here shipping is the issue

 

[Drinking Sensibly]

here shipping is the issue

I feel your pain. I live in Scottish Islands so it is for me as well. Most of the suppliers send to the mainland without charge if you spend enough (£65/£100, depending on supplier & delivery company) but the same parcel would cost me £15 - £20 for delivery, which adds quite a bit to the cost/Kg of malt, for example.

 

[Steveruch]

Just ordered some golden promise to give it a whirl. Is it better in smaller doses or can you use it as a single malt mash? No experience here and would really appreciate any guidance on golden promise.

100% G P to 1.080 or so, goldings hops 20 IBUs, and Scottish yeast makes a great wee heavy.

 

[Steveruch]

100% G P to 1.080 or so, goldings hops 20 IBUs, and Scottish yeast makes a great wee heavy.

Maybe a touch of roast barley for color adjustment.

 

[DBhomebrew]

Traquair House (98% base, 2% roast) is 1.070 and 30IBU. I wouldn't want a strong Scotch ale balanced any sweeter than that.