Lambic Discussion Thread

[stupac2]

Move Tilquin Squared to the far right and the right to left was pretty much my order from a blind tasting. Hanssens really surprised me...

I should really try that beer sometime, the initial reviews made it sound gross but I guess people really like it.

 

[lazerviking]

Yeah that's what got me, 3F worse than Mariage Parfait? I would be moderately surprised at Hanssens being on top, but some of those bottles are good, especially with a couple years on them.

Could just be a bad bottle. About a week ago a friend and I opened a Cantillon Bio, Tilquin, 3F OG, and CR and the 3F was the worst of the lot. Usually it's my favorite.

 

[MooseLang]

I had a bad bottle of 3F last week. April '15 maybe?

Nearly flat with some nail polish.

Even the most consistently awesome Gueuze has its problem bottles...

 

[SeaWatchman]

I had a bad bottle of 3F last week. April '15 maybe?

Nearly flat with some nail polish.

Even the most consistently awesome Gueuze has its problem bottles...

No. You just had a Loerik and it's worth 1000% more than a regular Gueuze.

 

[matedog]

Hanssens really surprised me...

You being surprised is unsurprising.

 

[JCastle1]

Wait, which side is the favorite? I could believe either order.

That left-to-right order lines up with me perfectly if you flip the Boon and the 3F. I would be stunned at the opposite order.

Left to right is correct. I'm not the greatest at descriptions but here it goes:

1. Squared was fantastic, slightly darker than the rest. Lots of tannins and oakiness from it.
2. Cantillon was lemony and bright as usual but way less sour which was nice.
3. The Mariage Parfait was surprising, I haven't had that beer in a while and really enjoyed it. Not very acidic but had a touch of vinegar. Lemony/hay.
4. The 3F was super dry and mineraly and had a slightly savory/umami note if that makes sense.
5. Hanssens was great apart from a slightly odd/sulphury smell, the only reason it was last IMO. Apart from that it was really nice, very musty with balanced sourness.

My friend had almost the same order except 3F and Hanssens flipped around.

 

[JCastle1]

Could just be a bad bottle. About a week ago a friend and I opened a Cantillon Bio, Tilquin, 3F OG, and CR and the 3F was the worst of the lot. Usually it's my favorite.

I have not been a big fan of 3F lately, I thought this bottle would get last (and it was very close if it wasn't for the Hanssens smell).

 

[wolfman1201]

Move Tilquin Squared to the far right and the right to left was pretty much my order from a blind tasting. Hanssens really surprised me...

If I recall, all 5 of us actually really like that bottle of Hanssens that day. And there wasn't a squared bottle that day, just regular Tilquin OG. And that Gurardin bottle wasn't right. Also, I was drunk and my memory cannot be relied upon.

 

[tripsforjoe]

Moral of the story: Tilquin2

 

[SeaWatchman]

Hanssens really surprised me...

Women... amirite?

 

[jdoucet]

Left to right is correct. I'm not the greatest at descriptions but here it goes:

1. Squared was fantastic, slightly darker than the rest. Lots of tannins and oakiness from it.
2. Cantillon was lemony and bright as usual but way less sour which was nice.
3. The Mariage Parfait was surprising, I haven't had that beer in a while and really enjoyed it. Not very acidic but had a touch of vinegar. Lemony/hay.
4. The 3F was super dry and mineraly and had a slightly savory/umami note if that makes sense.
5. Hanssens was great apart from a slightly odd/sulphury smell, the only reason it was last IMO. Apart from that it was really nice, very musty with balanced sourness.

My friend had almost the same order except 3F and Hanssens flipped around.

As I daily drinker I much prefer Mariage Parfait and 2012 is not a bad batch (it's not a 2004 or 2005, but who's picky, right?)
A regular Tilquin is in the same ballpark for me, almost subdued and soft.
Then again, I could drink Zwanze 2015 all day (or at least every day), Cantillin did the wild stout right imo.

 

[JCastle1]

Did another lambic side-by-side, this one was much easier.

I was very happy with the Lindemans considering I paid 6 euro for the bottle. It's a really great beer, sour cherry, lemon, hay. Very crisp and dry. My only complaint was that it was really sour (it's a 2013 bottle) so it was hard to finish between only two people but overall I really liked it and will probably buy it again.

The 3F was completely different. Sweet cherry flavor, touch of cinnamon, cracker, exactly like a cherry pie. Followed by the insane cherriness was the classic 3F sourness and funkiness to balance out the sweetness. I haven't had this in a long time and I will definitely be buying more.

 

[JCastle1]

Sorta relevant to this thread, kinda like a "deconstructed lambic". Did a tasting with several sour beer microbes, really interesting. Most of them isolated from actual lambic and contaminated beers. A few of the bottles aren't pictured.

1) Lactobacillus Brevis 1: honeysuckle, cabbage, orange, pear, very mild tartness, lemonade.
2) Lactobacillus Brevis 2: more prominent honey, orange zest, stronger tartness, strawberry, lemon.
3) Lactobacillus Lindneri: hay, rubber, a bit tart, astringent, citrus.
4) Pediococcus: hay, lemon, mineral, astringent, solvent, band-aid, diacetyl, burnt.
5) Brettanomyces Bruxellensis: cracker, lemon, leather, nutty, band-aid, funk, strawberry, very mild tartness.
6) Brettanomyces Anomalus (Claussenii): honey, citrus, hay, sour candy, pineapple, sour (3.8 pH).
7) Cantillon culture 2014 Classic Gueuze: strawberry candy, hay, stone fruit, cherry, sour, dry, mineral.
8) Cantillon culture 2010 Classic Gueuze: leather, sweat, funk, apricot, very dry, sour, floral, candy, apple.
9) Berliner weisse (Schultheiss 40yr - lacto/brett): apple, hay, lemon, lactic, peach candy, rubber.
10) Gose (80yr): yogurt, mineral, very mild tartness, strawberry, cheese.

Schultheiss is suspected to have contained sacch originally but it wasn't present here, only lacto and brett. The gose culture is from a brewery that doesn't exist anymore, not sure of the name.

 

[IndianaJones]

Can someone explain the difference, if there is any, between bottles of Iris that have "vintage" on the label versus ones that don't? I.e. one bottle that says "Iris 2006" vs "Vintage 2006"?

 

[SeaWatchman]

Can someone explain the difference, if there is any, between bottles of Iris that have "vintage" on the label versus ones that don't? I.e. one bottle that says "Iris 2006" vs "Vintage 2006"?

No difference

 

[matedog]

Had my first bottle of Cuvee Rene Special Blend 2010 last night. Is this a one time brew? It seems pretty limited as is, but is this getting US distro (got mine off etre)?

 

[CornAndBeer]

Is this a one time brew?...is this getting US distro?

Yes and No

 

[matedog]

Yes and No

Lindemans - Always working against themselves.

I could be wrong, maybe they are making bank on those BevMo sweet peach lambics.

 

[sherm10161]

I could be wrong, maybe they are making bank on those BevMo sweet peach lambics.

They are, in fact, making bank on their back-sweetened stuff, as far as I know.

Part of the reason they waited so long to brink CRK to the US is they didn't want to confuse consumes and/or **** up sales on their sweetened Kriek.

 

[lazerviking]

They are, in fact, making bank on their back-sweetened stuff, as far as I know.

Part of the reason they waited so long to brink CRK to the US is they didn't want to confuse consumes and/or **** up sales on their sweetened Kriek.

I know so many people who love the Framboise but would never touch non-sweetened lambic.

 

[matedog]

They are, in fact, making bank on their back-sweetened stuff, as far as I know.

Part of the reason they waited so long to brink CRK to the US is they didn't want to confuse consumes and/or **** up sales on their sweetened Kriek.

You're telling me lambic nerds don't make up the bulk purchasing power of the beer industry?! I feel so...deflated.

 

[iong516]

When people post a pic of A&G and say 'wow this is a great sour'

 

[TheBus]

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[coldstorage]

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[andrewdrinks]

Non-Belgian-but-still-lambic news... Burning Sky from Sussex, England, have released this year's Cuvee, a blend of their foudre-fermented saison and two-year-old lambic from Girardin. I think last year they started ageing lambic from Girardin in their own barrel stock on site, having brought it over the Channel (presumably it's now not-lambic). In 2016 they also did a Cuvee Reserve, which went back into Chardonnay barrels post-blend, although I never managed to score a bottle - presumably this is coming later this year too.

(They've also recently installed a coolship for making their own, but now we're definitely in not-lambic terrritory)

 

[JCastle1]

Non-Belgian-but-still-lambic news... Burning Sky from Sussex, England, have released this year's Cuvee, a blend of their foudre-fermented saison and two-year-old lambic from Girardin. I think last year they started ageing lambic from Girardin in their own barrel stock on site, having brought it over the Channel (presumably it's now not-lambic). In 2016 they also did a Cuvee Reserve, which went back into Chardonnay barrels post-blend, although I never managed to score a bottle - presumably this is coming later this year too.

(They've also recently installed a coolship for making their own, but now we're definitely in not-lambic terrritory)

How does one get their hands on this? I was just talking about saison/lambic blends recently and heard very good things about this one.

 

[andrewdrinks]

How does one get their hands on this? I was just talking about saison/lambic blends recently and heard very good things about this one.

I assumed it'd be online somewhere, but I did a quick search and can't find any online shops that ship to Mainland Europe AND still have stock - someone bought me mine in person in London. I'll ask around and see if I can sort you out.

 

[wuntrikpony]

Has anyone seen Kerkom Reuss around in the states? It's a blend of lambic and their Belgian blonde. Had it at the Shelton fest and was very impressed. Wine Seeker was only able to pull up one random store that doesn't ship.

 

[RyanG1]

Has anyone seen Kerkom Reuss around in the states? It's a blend of lambic and their Belgian blonde. Had it at the Shelton fest and was very impressed. Wine Seeker was only able to pull up one random store that doesn't ship.

Seen bottles for ~$14 - 18 near me.

 

[wuntrikpony]

Seen bottles for ~$14 - 18 near me.

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