Lambic Discussion Thread

[SeaWatchman]

The main lesson I learned from my first trip to Belgium was that there is no Flemish/Dutch word that American beer geeks pronounce correctly. I am curious as well, but my faith in anyone who isn't a native speaker to know how to pronounce anything has been shattered.

Speak for yourself

We are actually working up a section with native speakers pronouncing the words.

 

[The Red Viper]

So it IS goozie! Knew it.

Nah, it's "goy-zee," rhymes with how people from Jersey pronounce Jersey. (Note: since I am not good at making jokes, I want to make it clear this is a joke.)

 

[The Red Viper]

Speak for yourself

We are actually working up a section with native speakers pronouncing the words.

Speaking for myself, it turns out I use the French pronunciations/versions for pretty much all Dutch words, as do most all of the beer geeks I've been around (aside from the ones who just blatantly mispronounce things, e.g. "krick" for kriek). So not "incorrect" per se, but not correct in the original language.

 

[Quatz]

I'll put one in the main fridge now and tell you tonight

I don't know if many people have had Mure yet but I thought it was pretty underwhelming/disappointing. Also very little carb to speak of, needs way more time in the bottle.

I had the same thoughts on it when I had it at toer de geuze. Not up to Tilquin standards. Hoping it will improve.

 

[kscaldef]

The main lesson I learned from my first trip to Belgium was that there is no Flemish/Dutch word that American beer geeks pronounce correctly. I am curious as well, but my faith in anyone who isn't a native speaker to know how to pronounce anything has been shattered.

To be honestly, I often intentionally mispronounce / Anglicize both Dutch and German beer names when speaking to other English speakers. You have much better luck asking a bartender for a "Kolsch" than a Kölsch, and god help you if you try to order a Hoegaarden with correct Dutch pronunciation.

 

[Beerontwowheels]

How does one pronounce Doesjel, as in 3F Golden Doesjel. I've been pronouncing it 'doshel', but I imagine that's not really correct. Can any assist?

Just watched a video review by two dutch guys - sounds like 'Doo-jul'

 

[lazerviking]

To be honestly, I often intentionally mispronounce / Anglicize both Dutch and German beer names when speaking to other English speakers. You have much better luck asking a bartender for a "Kolsch" than a Kölsch, and god help you if you try to order a Hoegaarden with correct Dutch pronunciation.

This is true. My fiancee is a native German speaker and every time she tries to order a hefeweizen, Weihenstephaner, etc., the bartender looks at her like she's insane.

 

[The Red Viper]

Just watched a video review by two dutch guys - sounds like 'Doo-jul'

That's un-intuitive enough to be believable as a correct pronunciation.

 

[Beerontwowheels]

That's un-intuitive enough to be believable as a correct pronunciation.

It also ruins the first verse of my lambic inspired rap song. What in the **** rhymes with Doesjel?

 

[belvedere86]

All this Mûr talk made me open mine. It's good. Nothing mindblowing.

 

[matedog]

All this Mûr talk made me open mine. It's good. Nothing mindblowing.

It's a new beer, but thus far the Untappd ratings are a notch below Quetsche and ^2. Any thoughts thus far? Is it a relative disappointment (directed at belvedere86 as well as anyone that's tried it thus far).

 

[JBP]

Dat color tho

 

[belvedere86]

It's a new beer, but thus far the Untappd ratings are a notch below Quetsche and ^2. Any thoughts thus far? Is it a relative disappointment (directed at belvedere86 as well as anyone that's tried it thus far).

It's not dissapointing but for the price I'd rather have 2 bottles of gambrinus instead.

 

[skiofpinsk]

Jesus, with that Tilquin set and GB, my shopping cart is up to $530 w/shipping.

If anyone wants to contribute $$, I promise to film my fiance's reaction when she sees the shipment. Could be worthwhile since it has potential to turn into a snuff film.

 

[Thorpe]

It's a new beer, but thus far the Untappd ratings are a notch below Quetsche and ^2. Any thoughts thus far? Is it a relative disappointment (directed at belvedere86 as well as anyone that's tried it thus far).

The bottle that we had a few weeks ago was a diacetyl bomb. Not sure if that has been an issue across the batch or we were unlucky with a bottle that was too young and had some conditioning issues.

 

[Quatz]

Sidetracking from the (relatively) disappointing Tilquin Mure, the new Hanssens Schaerbeekse Kriek is delicious. Reminds me a bit of regular 3 Fonteinen Kriek but the cherry taste lingers longer. Not normally a Hanssens fan but this was great and I will try more of their stuff now.

 

[fiestaplatypus]

Sidetracking from the (relatively) disappointing Tilquin Mure, the new Hanssens Schaerbeekse Kriek is delicious. Reminds me a bit of regular 3 Fonteinen Kriek but the cherry taste lingers longer. Not normally a Hanssens fan but this was great and I will try more of their stuff now.

Is this release flat like previous years (and pretty much all the fruited versions) or lightly carbonated? Appreciate both...just curious.

Anyone have experience with stashing previous vintages of this one?

 

[GuzzleMcBrew]

Mûre last Friday. Somewhat nonplussed. It was not jammy with much less funk or complexity than I expected. Some diacetyl, a kind of weird thin finish and a little fruit.

 

[Quatz]

Is this release flat like previous years (and pretty much all the fruited versions) or lightly carbonated? Appreciate both...just curious.

Anyone have experience with stashing previous vintages of this one?

This is supposed to be different from the Scarenbecca (which I've never had) as some old lambic is added before bottling while Scarenbecca is just pure kriek lambic. This was lightly carbonated and had a decent head when I poured but it went away immediately.

 

[RyanG1]

Mûre last Friday. Somewhat nonplussed. It was not jammy with much less funk or complexity than I expected. Some diacetyl, a kind of weird thin finish and a little fruit.

Anyone open a '99 3F or Millennium recently?

Yeah me neither.

 

[GuzzleMcBrew]

Check in here regarding Malvasia as of May.

A few TB'ers were treated to a bottle at a tasting about a month ago. The label said it was best by 10/2013. Smelled very vinous and winey with some balanced funk and mineral aspects. The wine like character was much more like tart red wine unlike like the "grape must" on JCN . Was lightly oxidized on the nose. Poured a light, orangey gold color. Light colored medium carbonation that crackled off quickly during the first half of my glass before the picture was shot. Not especially funky. Oxidized character took little away from the beer, it just seemed to mute things a little and make things a tad sweeter. Very well balanced, not an acid bomb. Drinking fantastic.

 

[GuzzleMcBrew]

Anyone open a '99 3F or Millennium recently?

kbhess facesnorth jaken0ss

 

[kbhess]

kbhess facesnorth jaken0ss

Opened millennium in October and it was still tasting great. Off hazy memory had a bright lemon tartness and lots of funk. Was my favorite out of 02 ogv, millennium and 50th.

Had 99 og side by side with 00 og at the beginning of the month. 00 was more bright and tart where as the 99 has that down and dirty funk. 99 was funkadelic to 00's parliament.

 

[LukeAleTime]

No. Different group to IBC.

http://www.beerandbrewer.com/craft-beer-sales-rep-role-available-in-sydney-and-brisbane/

Armand has said he doesn't distribute to Australia/wasn't aware of his beer being sold in Australia. So it would seem they go through one of the European distributors.

Interesting. Didn't realise the last lot was IBC.

So Armand isn't aware of Northdown picking it up? Or was that pre-Northdown?

 

[skrip]

Check in here regarding Malvasia as of May.

A few TB'ers were treated to a bottle at a tasting about a month ago. The label said it was best by 10/2013. Smelled very vinous and winey with some balanced funk and mineral aspects. The wine like character was much more like tart red wine unlike like the "grape must" on JCN . Was lightly oxidized on the nose. Poured a light, orangey gold color. Light colored medium carbonation that crackled off quickly during the first half of my glass before the picture was shot. Not especially funky. Oxidized character took little away from the beer, it just seemed to mute things a little and make things a tad sweeter. Very well balanced, not an acid bomb. Drinking fantastic.

this and this:

Opened millennium in October and it was still tasting great. Off hazy memory had a bright lemon tartness and lots of funk. Was my favorite out of 02 ogv, millennium and 50th.

Had 99 og side by side with 00 og at the beginning of the month. 00 was more bright and tart where as the 99 has that down and dirty funk. 99 was funkadelic to 00's parliament.

agree with both! cause i was there lol

 

[drummermattie021]

How does one pronounce Doesjel, as in 3F Golden Doesjel

I believe it's DERS-juhl.

 

[SeaWatchman]

We had three great visits today in Belgium. First with Pierre who sat down with us for about three hours and went over a lot of technical aspects of his production and some of his future plans. There's a lot to digest and we will do a full summary of everything and post it for each brewery at some point, but specifically for Tilquin there will be more squared and blackberry in the future.

Next up was De Troch. I will say that it was probably one of the coolest places I've been to so far. It was really interesting to be around a place that old and see the amount of work that goes into brewing their lambic on a coal fired system. We also learned that they don't use artificial sweetener but rather just sugar and juice depending on the age of the lambic. Also got to try a freshly bottled (two weeks ago) Oude Kriek made from fresh Schaerbeekse Cherries which is their first in 25-30 years. About 15,000 bottles were bottled. They are also continuing to provide the lambic for the Lambickx bottlings.

Finally we had a little late night tasting/tour with Oud Beersel. Not much new to report there, but their renovated space is great, their barreled lambic is fantastic, and the museum is continuing to expand as they add old breweriana bits and equipment.

 

[LukeAleTime]

We had three great visits today in Belgium. First with Pierre who sat down with us for about three hours and went over a lot of technical aspects of his production and some of his future plans. There's a lot to digest and we will do a full summary of everything and post it for each brewery at some point, but specifically for Tilquin there will be more squared and blackberry in the future.

Next up was De Troch. I will say that it was probably one of the coolest places I've been to so far. It was really interesting to be around a place that old and see the amount of work that goes into brewing their lambic on a coal fired system. We also learned that they don't use artificial sweetener but rather just sugar and juice depending on the age of the lambic. Also got to try a freshly bottled (two weeks ago) Oude Kriek made from fresh Schaerbeekse Cherries which is their first in 25-30 years. About 15,000 bottles were bottled. They are also continuing to provide the lambic for the Lambickx bottlings.

Finally we had a little late night tasting/tour with Oud Beersel. Not much new to report there, but their renovated space is great, their barreled lambic is fantastic, and the museum is continuing to expand as they add old breweriana bits and equipment.

Are you getting the sense that producers are going to start bringing out more "classic" and unsweetened lambics etc?

 

[SeaWatchman]

Are you getting the sense that producers are going to start bringing out more "classic" and unsweetened lambics etc?

In a way yes, and to some they have been back for a long time but just not a large part of their portfolio and really not highly visible. My biggest takeaway so far is that everyone would love to produce more of everything, but there are a lot of constraints for both brewers and blenders.

 

[wyatt1]

Is tilquin making squared the same way? Over carbonated bottles emptied into barrels.