Lambic Discussion Thread

[buzzword]

Don't forget about bottle variation to throw off any experiments

whaaaaaaaaat?

 

[64vdub]

whaaaaaaaaat?

Hahaha. I'm pretty sure lambic just may be the most unscientific thing in the world by nature. So all this science talk is, well, nevermind.

 

[DCLA]

Hahaha. I'm pretty sure lambic just may be the most unscientific thing in the world by nature. So all this science talk is, well, nevermind.

Yeah, let's not talk about the effects of shipping bottles thousands of miles....

 

[Gaseous Clay]

Yeah, let's not talk about the effects of shipping bottles thousands of miles....

What if the plane flies horizontally though?

 

[RyanG1]

most unscientific thing in the world by nature.

Obviously have never heard of climate change.

 

[DCLA]

What if the plane flies horizontally though?

...and the baggage handler stacks the bags vertically...

 

[ac24]

Obviously have never heard of climate change.

lol. The Chinese made up Climate change to thwart Lambic production.

 

[buzzword]

What if the plane flies horizontally though?

Obviously have never heard of climate change.

 

[vav1]

I don't think that porosity is the issue here, what I'm talking about is the ability of individual molecules to diffuse through polymers (which, unless I'm misunderstanding something, cork counts as). There's not going to be a gross diffusion through there, sure, (I'm unfamiliar with the idea of Darcy because I definitely don't mean a porous material like a sponge, I'm talking straight diffusion coefficient through a barrier), but when you're thinking about something that happens at a rate on the order of mL per year individual molecules moving across the boundaries starts to matter. It does seem more likely (intuitively, to what extent you trust that) that imperfections in the seal are what matter most, but based on my extensive readings about radon diffusion through barriers and somewhat less extensive reading about water diffusion, you can't rule out straight diffusion through the seal itself.

My main concern, like I said, is that you can't have it both ways, either diffusion of water from the liquid in the bottle through the cork, keeping it moist and elastic, matters, in which case oxygen can diffuse through too*, or it doesn't matter, in which case the loss of water (and therefore contact with the liquid inside) isn't affecting elasticity meaningfully. And I'm definitely troubled by the idea that moisture can diffuse out into dry air more readily than it can be taken up from 100% humidity headspace, though I suppose that would depend on what kind of moisture concentration is necessary to keep cork elastic. It seems more likely to me that moisture content per se isn't what makes cork lose elasticity, but just general compression over time (and perhaps other chemical changes, probably some form of oxidation!), but I'd really like to see some kind of study on it.

Oh, and everyone making fun of me for this? YOU JUST MAKE ME STRONGER!!!


*O2 and H2O are different sizes and will therefore diffuse differently, but I don't think the difference is large enough to be material.

Your mom's diffusion is meaningfully elastic.

Seriously tho, you've made some excellent points. Gunna bring these up next time im with faculty and they don't punch me for bringing it up over beers again. I still think porosity is a little more important than you're giving it credit for tho, if i'm being honest, but we can do that through pm's. I did my own research on darcy and it's interesting, a lot of what i found has to do with the drilling and oil, so it's a measurement of how much oil seeps through rock, put in super simplified terms. Pretty cool stuff.

Anyway come to Chicago and we'll drink lambic and talk about it and i'll take you to Siebel to see if we can get them to fund an experiment *high five*

 

[bostonvert]

new lambic producer in Sint-Pieters-Leeuw!

http://www.nieuwsblad.be/cnt/blhde_03085267

it will be called Brett-Elle, they are getting help from the Belgoo brewery in Sint-Pieters-Leeuw. They claim that everything is done with the traditional methods. The first bottles will be sold at a special event at the brewery on the first of october. Seeing as I live about 2 miles down the road I'm very excited to try this and report back here! If anyone needs any translation help let me know.

I've also heard of another local brewery making lambic but I have to stop by and check the progress since its been a while since I've heard anything about it.

 

[BelgianChris]

it will be called Brett-Elle, they are getting help from the Belgoo brewery in Sint-Pieters-Leeuw. They claim that everything is done with the traditional methods. The first bottles will be sold at a special event at the brewery on the first of october. Seeing as I live about 2 miles down the road I'm very excited to try this and report back here! If anyone needs any translation help let me know.

See you there "neighbor"

 

[andrewdrinks]

 

[JCastle1]

new lambic producer in Sint-Pieters-Leeuw!

http://www.nieuwsblad.be/cnt/blhde_03085267

it will be called Brett-Elle, they are getting help from the Belgoo brewery in Sint-Pieters-Leeuw. They claim that everything is done with the traditional methods. The first bottles will be sold at a special event at the brewery on the first of october. Seeing as I live about 2 miles down the road I'm very excited to try this and report back here! If anyone needs any translation help let me know.

I've also heard of another local brewery making lambic but I have to stop by and check the progress since its been a while since I've heard anything about it.

If by translation you mean sending me bottles then yes please

 

[Gaseous Clay]

new lambic producer in Sint-Pieters-Leeuw!

http://www.nieuwsblad.be/cnt/blhde_03085267

it will be called Brett-Elle, they are getting help from the Belgoo brewery in Sint-Pieters-Leeuw. They claim that everything is done with the traditional methods. The first bottles will be sold at a special event at the brewery on the first of october. Seeing as I live about 2 miles down the road I'm very excited to try this and report back here! If anyone needs any translation help let me know.

I've also heard of another local brewery making lambic but I have to stop by and check the progress since its been a while since I've heard anything about it.

How awesome! Really cool seeing new blenders and Brewers starting up. I hope to try some of Brette-Elle's Lambic in the coming years.


Granted I don't speak Flemish and couldn't read the article, have any of the Brewers/owners blended or brewed lambic in the past?

 

[SeaWatchman]

new lambic producer in Sint-Pieters-Leeuw!

http://www.nieuwsblad.be/cnt/blhde_03085267

it will be called Brett-Elle, they are getting help from the Belgoo brewery in Sint-Pieters-Leeuw. They claim that everything is done with the traditional methods. The first bottles will be sold at a special event at the brewery on the first of october. Seeing as I live about 2 miles down the road I'm very excited to try this and report back here! If anyone needs any translation help let me know.

I've also heard of another local brewery making lambic but I have to stop by and check the progress since its been a while since I've heard anything about it.

I've heard from a few folks that they're not doing a turbid mash at Belgoo. I've been planking on reaching out to them and talking to them for the site. I'd be pretty excited for a new blender for sure.

 

[Detro]

Being located in Ruisbroek makes it a very easy destination to visit while in Brussels

 

[GetchaPull]

I've been planking

 

[bostonvert]

How awesome! Really cool seeing new blenders and Brewers starting up. I hope to try some of Brette-Elle's Lambic in the coming years.


Granted I don't speak Flemish and couldn't read the article, have any of the Brewers/owners blended or brewed lambic in the past?

Well the article stated that they used to buy lambic and make their own kriek. They started brewing lambic because it was too expensive to keep buying lambic from the other brewers

 

[bostonvert]

I've heard from a few folks that they're not doing a turbid mash at Belgoo. I've been planking on reaching out to them and talking to them for the site. I'd be pretty excited for a new blender for sure.

Same here, looking forward for the release! I'm hoping to have a chat with the owners and see what they have to say. There is another lambic project going on but I'm going to talk to the brewer first and let you know about the progress.

 

[Gaseous Clay]

Well the article stated that they used to buy lambic and make their own kriek. They started brewing lambic because it was too expensive to keep buying lambic from the other brewers

Thanks for the info, how exciting.

 

[ggfunk]

That's cool to see. Would it be feasible to do Drie Fonteinen and them on the same day?

 

[Padraig]

Nice to see Kernel and Spuyten getting into the spirit of Zwanze rather than just the usual monetizing through merchandising. Last year the former had yeast top trumps.

Anyone else do stuff like this?

 

[Padraig]

Cloudwater x The Veil - Chubbles

Despite being a month old (it's the vers brewed in Manchester) this is probably the best TIPA I've ever tasted.

Outstanding.

 

[mrk_d]

Cloudwater x The Veil - Chubbles

Despite being a month old (it's the vers brewed in Manchester) this is probably the best TIPA I've ever tasted.

Outstanding.

 

[Gaseous Clay]

clearly, Padraig is on beer

 

[Padraig]

LOL. TIPA plus trying to put an uncooperative 3 year old to bed.

 

[andrewdrinks]

While we're on the fringes of lambic...

Burning Sky released their latest lambic/farmhouse blend a couple of weeks ago, incorporating both young and three-year-old lambic from Girardin, blended into a house-brewed beer with rooibos tea and peppercorns. There's a blog on the timeline of the beer on Fork Brewing's website (their brewmaster, Kelly Ryan, collared on it): http://forkandbrewer.co.nz/news?req...assage-saison-fork-brewing-burning-sky-collab

Seriously ISO.

 

[JCastle1]

While we're on the fringes of lambic...

Burning Sky released their latest lambic/farmhouse blend a couple of weeks ago, incorporating both young and three-year-old lambic from Girardin, blended into a house-brewed beer with rooibos tea and peppercorns. There's a blog on the timeline of the beer on Fork Brewing's website (their brewmaster, Kelly Ryan, collared on it): http://forkandbrewer.co.nz/news?req...assage-saison-fork-brewing-burning-sky-collab

Seriously ISO.

Yeah been dying to try that one. Raf (Bokkereyder) says he loves that beer.

 

[Padraig]

Speaking of which Mark Tranter recently said he's one of three non-Belgian outfits who get lambic from Girardin. Anyone know who the other two are?

 

[JCastle1]

Speaking of which Mark Tranter recently said he's one of three non-Belgian outfits who get lambic from Girardin. Anyone know who the other two are?

I think Tommie Sjef buys lambic wort for his stuff.