FIB War Room

[trickytunadicky]

Is now a good time to remind people that tickets and tons of information about Far and Away and FoBAB are currently available.

 

[kodt]

It wasn't invite only. The event was already confirmed as happening. A lack of details doesn't mean for some reason it's not happening. It was globally announced that WLV would be a location to get Zwanze on Zwanze day.

People legit thought they were permanently closed. Would you assume an event is still on at a place if it is permanently closed? Asking if they are still open is beer nerd entitlement?

 

[furley]

maybe if beer nerds stopped calling and berating beer stores over every beer release then they'd be more forthcoming with details.

the more you share, the more people get angry about what you share.

the less you share, the more people get angry about what you didn't share.

what's the exact perfect way to handle these sorts of events in the beer world? if there was one, someone should share it with the class.

 

[RedCoffee]

what's the exact perfect way to handle these sorts of events in the beer world? if there was one, someone should share it with the class.

I would but we're not supposed to talk about them

 

[PHBoiler]

New people discover craft beer every year. I know this place doesn’t exactly appeal to those folks who are just getting excited about trying and learning new beers but they’re out there. Just because they aren’t here doesn’t mean we should forget about them. We were all there at some point. Not everybody new is disingenuous or profiteering.

If someone had a cool or rare beer at a share but didn’t tell anyone other than their friends when he or she was going to open it, I think most folks would frown upon that behavior. It wouldn’t make it better telling that new person that everybody knows he or she opens the best bottle at 4. Should’ve been there for it.

I didn’t come to enjoy beer because of attitudes like that. I sure as heck didn’t come to this website because I thought that was behavior folks here felt was ok either.

 

[danbanana]

If someone had a cool or rare beer at a share but didn’t tell anyone other than their friends when he or she was going to open it, I think most folks would frown upon that behavior.

That's literally every bottle share I've ever been to: when I hang out with people I like, aka my friends.

Also, creating a strawman who is a beer newbie who really wanted to go to Zwanse Day is a ridiculous ******* thing.

I swear some of you are just one Coffee Eugene away from typing "actually it's about ethics in beer festivals!"

 

[Scalzo]

Also, creating a strawman who is a beer newbie who really wanted to go to Zwanse Day is a ridiculous ******* thing.

I dont think thats a strawman at all, I made the point earlier that their efforts were not inclusive to the entire community, particularly the beginner. The person who enjoys beer and just wants to try and experience things they cannot currently get or experience - ie. not the kind of person to place bulk international lambic orders, and wants to drop hundreds of dollars at the same time.
Zwanze should be the ideal opprotunity for them to get the Cantillion experience (without going to Belgium). Announce it early, so everyone has equal opprotunity. Set a limit on the # of people you admit and do a lottery for half the tickets, and sell the rest the day of the event. That way you can still do justice to the event, and still provide access for all.
Yes the event was announced on Cantillions website, but the total lack of communication on their end makes it hard for people to commit to it, let alone even know its happening.
I get where she is coming from and part of me respects it. But like said by PhBoiler, it leaves a bad taste in my mouth. We should be welcoming newer beer drinkers with open arms

 

[danbanana]

I- for one- cannot think of anything more inclusive than a lottery! Then this imaginary cause you are all taking up would have a 1 in shitlord chance of going instead of, y'know, showing up and paying and getting in.

I'm not sure if WLV's process this year was ideal, but the amount of anger from people who have admitted they had no intention of going either way is silly. As furley mentioned, every other option would have involved complaints about lines, lotteries, F5ing, etc. None of those are terribly "inclusive" either.

 

[Tooch4321]

Okay.

Off Color only has reservations available for next week at 11 and noon, opening public sales at 1, and I don't get out of work until 3. I'm mad.

I think you will be fine if you make it over to The Mousetrap by 3pm...

 

[lb304854]

If someone had a cool or rare beer at a share but didn’t tell anyone other than their friends when he or she was going to open it, I think most folks would frown upon that behavior.

No one would frown on that behavior. Especially at bigger parties.

 

[TheJB]

Is now a good time to remind people that tickets and tons of information about Far and Away and FoBAB are currently available.

This is why I didn’t sweat the Zwanze drama too much, although it did make for some entertaining reading. I’m all set on 80+ dollar beer fests for this Fall.

 

[furley]

I swear some of you are just one Coffee Eugene away from typing "actually it's about ethics in beer festivals!"

“I'm talkin' about friendship. I'm talkin' about character. I'm talkin' about - hell. Leo, I ain't embarrassed to use the word - I'm talkin' about ethics.”

 

[furley]

I- for one- cannot think of anything more inclusive than a lottery! Then this imaginary cause you are all taking up would have a 1 in shitlord chance of going instead of, y'know, showing up and paying and getting in.

I'm not sure if WLV's process this year was ideal, but the amount of anger from people who have admitted they had no intention of going either way is silly. As furley mentioned, every other option would have involved complaints about lines, lotteries, F5ing, etc. None of those are terribly "inclusive" either.

the anger comes from the entitlement it feel like

people aren't used to not getting everything they want with the click of a mouse now.

this is why we need sports. so you can get your brains beat in during your formative years, because your teammates suck and you want to transfer schools but your parents won't let you because it's too expensive and you just want to punch all your teammates in the face for not caring as much as you do and you lose by 30 every game and you're the laughingstock of the league and it stays with you all the way through high school.....

i'm not bitter

at all

you're bitter

 

[trickytunadicky]

This is why I didn’t sweat the Zwanze drama too much, although it did make for some entertaining reading. I’m all set on 80+ dollar beer fests for this Fall.

I am going to get told all about how awesome of a time I missed at far and Away because the lines won’t be long because it is undersold, it’s a snake eating its tail situation but whatever I am not mad. I have other **** to do. I am not mad. I find it amusing.

 

[middlebrow]

lots of valid points, but the beer 4chan beer people who said it was closed, signs were hanging or it was a private event are some seriously f*cked people. like are you really putting in extra work so you can horde it all, who hurt you?

 

[trickytunadicky]

lots of valid points, but the beer 4chan beer people who said it was closed, signs were hanging or it was a private event are some seriously f*cked people. like are you really putting in extra work so you can horde it all, who hurt you?

These are the same people who for a decade or more have been lying how long the line is at every release and claiming Three Floyds burned down.

 

[kodt]

These are the same people who for a decade or more have been lying how long the line is at every release and claiming Three Floyds burned down.

Yes but it was relatively easy to verify those claims were ********. In this case, the situation made the trolls quite believable. Then these same trolls attended and mocked everyone who didn't show up for missing a great event. And we are saying the people who didn't show up are the ****** entitled beer fans?

 

[mjohnson171]

The social media age has created WAY too much entitlement. Everyone expends to be given everything at the tips of their fingers.

Here in Chicago ya’ll are botching about Zwanze, down in Florida basically the same bitching about this weekend’s JWakefield release.

It’s beer people. There’s like 6500 breweries pumping out 10s of thousands of different beers. Not everyone can try/do/drink/experience everything.

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To be fair; I like the banter. It gives us something to talk about/entertain.

 

[lb304854]

Yes but it was relatively easy to verify those claims were ********. In this case, the situation made the trolls quite believable. Then these same trolls attended and mocked everyone who didn't show up for missing a great event. And we are saying the people who didn't show up are the ****** entitled beer fans?

Nah, just the ones who complained they didn't have the day thoroughly outlined, or that they couldn't travel from out of town, or called Kristina entitled, or emailed Cantillon.

 

[DiscountMegaMall4ever]

For those that have hosted events, how bad is the emailing and calling for info from people?

 

[Scalzo]

I- for one- cannot think of anything more inclusive than a lottery! Then this imaginary cause you are all taking up would have a 1 in shitlord chance of going instead of, y'know, showing up and paying and getting in.

I'm not sure if WLV's process this year was ideal, but the amount of anger from people who have admitted they had no intention of going either way is silly. As furley mentioned, every other option would have involved complaints about lines, lotteries, F5ing, etc. None of those are terribly "inclusive" either.

You still had lines, no? I remember standing in line for a while @zwanze, to get beer and to get in to the event. Also lotteries are pretty standard across the beer community at this point. f5ing can be prevented like its been done for the Pips releases. Pretty basic - link your ID, winning ID must be the person to use tickets. Whats not inclusive about allowing everyone to try to win a ticket? Thats how the GTMW does it. Seems to work pretty great.

If you dont like tickets, forget tickets. They still could have done a better job communicating with cantillions customers/fans.
Simple details would have been nice.
basic communication would have been appreciated. Raffle a small amount of tickets, sell the rest day of and move on. There are ways to run releases/events better than that.


but at the end of the day, like Mjohnson said its just one beer event. Maybe next years location will be able to accommodate more people

 

[danbanana]

You still had lines, no? I remember standing in line for a while @zwanze, to get beer and to get in to the event. Also lotteries are pretty standard across the beer community at this point. f5ing can be prevented like its been done for the Pips releases. Pretty basic - link your ID, winning ID must be the person to use tickets. Whats not inclusive about allowing everyone to try to win a ticket? Thats how the GTMW does it. Seems to work pretty great.

If you dont like tickets, forget tickets. They still could have done a better job communicating with cantillions customers/fans.
Simple details would have been nice.
basic communication would have been appreciated. Raffle a small amount of tickets, sell the rest day of and move on. There are ways to run releases/events better than that.


but at the end of the day, like Mjohnson said its just one beer event. Maybe next years location will be able to accommodate more people

Again: if the thought is "maybe there are better ways to get people into the event," I'm not sure anyone is necessarily arguing against that. I think what WLV did was interesting and definitely had issues (the question of whether it was even happening is legit) but the histrionics have been a little much. It wasn't a "private event" with FOWLVL, if you went you got in, etc.

signs were hanging

Regarding this in particular: was WLV open for regular business yesterday? Do they stay open during Zwanse (I haven't been in years, though I remember customers coming in towards the end the last time I was there)? Because I am willing to bet the sign said something along the lines of "Sorry, we're closed today for a private event!" or something and beer-phone interpreted that in ways it wasn't meant.

 

[foscorelli]

Anyone go to Rev's Octoberfest? How was Kikagaku Moyo?

 

[jermy]

Anyone go to Rev's Octoberfest? How was Kikagaku Moyo?

Oktoberfest was great. Maybe my favorite event of the year. Nice work beeraficionado and the rest of the rev team

 

[TheJB]

I am going to get told all about how awesome of a time I missed at far and Away because the lines won’t be long because it is undersold, it’s a snake eating its tail situation but whatever I am not mad. I have other **** to do. I am not mad. I find it amusing.

I can’t believe you’ll be missing what should be Far and Away the best beer event happening in Chicago in October! Other than the VSOJ release a week later.

 

[lb304854]

You still had lines, no? I remember standing in line for a while @zwanze, to get beer and to get in to the event. Also lotteries are pretty standard across the beer community at this point. f5ing can be prevented like its been done for the Pips releases. Pretty basic - link your ID, winning ID must be the person to use tickets. Whats not inclusive about allowing everyone to try to win a ticket? Thats how the GTMW does it. Seems to work pretty great.

If you dont like tickets, forget tickets. They still could have done a better job communicating with cantillions customers/fans.
Simple details would have been nice.
basic communication would have been appreciated. Raffle a small amount of tickets, sell the rest day of and move on. There are ways to run releases/events better than that.


but at the end of the day, like Mjohnson said its just one beer event. Maybe next years location will be able to accommodate more people

If you're expecting WLV to administer a lottery system for Zwanze, you're gonna have a bad time.

 

[ApocalypseZombie]

You still had lines, no? I remember standing in line for a while @zwanze, to get beer and to get in to the event. Also lotteries are pretty standard across the beer community at this point. f5ing can be prevented like its been done for the Pips releases. Pretty basic - link your ID, winning ID must be the person to use tickets. Whats not inclusive about allowing everyone to try to win a ticket? Thats how the GTMW does it. Seems to work pretty great.

If you dont like tickets, forget tickets. They still could have done a better job communicating with cantillions customers/fans.
Simple details would have been nice.
basic communication would have been appreciated. Raffle a small amount of tickets, sell the rest day of and move on. There are ways to run releases/events better than that.


but at the end of the day, like Mjohnson said its just one beer event. Maybe next years location will be able to accommodate more people

No line for anything besides the bathroom.

 

[thegoodtimeguy]

No line for anything besides the bathroom.

Should have paid the bartender at Roscoe Village Pub $10 to piss all day like I did.

 

[middlebrow]

did i really just enter a prob day lottery?

 

[Rockford Jerk]

Additionally I heard through a friend that Kristina did in fact send out private email invitations to her friends.

Lol. I have never actually met Kristina and I got an invite. Went to Madison Farmers Market instead and blew $100 on cheese.

I wasn't there but I kind of love how they did the Zwanze day. I do releases similarly sometimes - pop a keg of CBS on the list without advertising it on the local beer geek boards. Toss some cellared Cantillon or BCBS bottles onto the list without a big "LOOK NEW STUFF" arrow pointing to it. I really enjoy giving our regular, everyday customers a whack at the fun stuff -- otherwise the same 20 beer vultures swoop in, buy it all with their grandma and great auntie as mules, and end up trading it all for haze juice on the internets.

Reminds me of the bar in PDX that puts on Pliny but calls it Miller High Life and has specific signs that say "do not post this on your snapchat, ya jerks." Oh yeah. Beermongers. https://insidescoopsf.sfgate.com/bl...ife-allows-its-regulars-to-actually-enjoy-it/

Also:

how many out there would be calling me a homie for it?

Since when is "Homie" a bad thing?