Clear Cider went cloudy from syphon

[RetroFox]

IV made a bunch of cider in the past, Im using carton apple juice.

I had degassed, stablized and cleared my cider, two days later it was CRYSTAL clear.
I syphoned it into a fresh sterilised container and that process turned it cloudy!
I syphoned none of the cake...but I now cant see through it atall/

Iv attempted to use another set of A&B finings and the stuff is just a complete cloud.

What have I done? Why wont it go crystal clear again?

Edit: just to note the left over sitting in the last container is still clear even though I shook it... Im hoping the second finnings hasn't messed anything up.

 

[Silver79]

Refrigerate and wait if possible. Many things drop out of suspension in time.

 

[RetroFox]

The problem is that it was 100% clear and the process of syphoning that 100% clear liquid resulted in a cloudy mess that still wont clear.

Thats what I want answering, what the hell happend to it?
(and no I ddnt kick up the cake at the bottom, just incase my point gets missed again)

Like seriously! I had 100% PERFECT CLEAR liquid.
The stuff left over in the original keg was shaken into a slurry .... and it dropped out perfectly clear again! No matter how much I mess with the left overs it fell clear within hours.
The siphoned off batch is completely cloudly, it happened instantly from the siphon. Plus If I had transfered the cleared mess it would have fell out like it did in the original keg)
Please surely that makes enough sense now? Im at the point of wanting to poor the whole lot down the drains because I cant find a single answer that matches up with what happened to my batch.
Please read everything fully before assuming its a standard clearing question.
This is not normal.

 

[Maylar]

It's difficult to visualize your situation on an e-forum. We weren't there, so we can only guess. But I do understand your frustration.

Siphoning & racking won't make your cider cloudy if you didn't suck up any lees as you said. I can only think that during the process you had some air in the siphon line that created bubbles, and perhaps that gave the impression of haze. Then in a panic, you added more finings. I don't know what "A & B finings" are, but I do know that some finings can be over done and will actually result in haze that won't clear at all. See if you can find any reports of such behavior with whatever finings you used.

This may or may not apply to you, but I had an experience with a cider that was perfectly clear before I moved it from my cool basement to the warm kitchen. The few degrees difference caused the yeast to wake up and start fermenting again, which made it hazy for the week that it took to finish. Nothing to do with racking though.

 

[RetroFox]

I will break down the process so I cant confuse (I can be bad at explaining things when confused my self lol):
1)I cleared my cider(after degass and stabilising), it was 100% crystal clear.
2) Sterilise a second keg to transfer it to
3) Siphon clear liquid to clean tank
4) Sucked up zero of the cleared scum
5) I look in new tank, everything is cloudy as hell right away
I added nothing or did nothing out of the ordinary.

The left over stuff in the original tank could be shaken into a slurry and would still fall perfectly clear.
Its been a while since this happened and its still cloudy.

I now have had the keg in the fridge for a few days and there is a slight white buildup but I think Iv screwed the batch completely.

When I siphoned I was in the same room it was stored in.
I have no idea what to do now.

A+B finings are
A= Silica sol
B= Chitosan
(mix a wait an hour mix b and it begins)

I cant make any sense with this.
Thanks for responses, Iv gone a bit panic mode on the idea of wasting what was wonderful tasting clear cider.

Edit:

If anyone has experienced something like this please share, google is not being helpful for this issue.

Current state:
Whole keg is in the fridge, Im going to leave it alone for three days checking if anything else starts to fall out the solution.

 

[Maylar]

None of what you did should have made the cider cloudy simply by racking it. Could there have been some residual shmutz in the second keg?

And have you ventured a taste?

 

[Scrumpy!]

Maylar makes two very good points. Taste your cider before wasting it. Oxygenating during the siphoning might have restarted the yeast. Did you take a reading with your hydrometer? If it was not dry, a reinvigorated yeast might be whats happening. If this is the case, let it finish.

Fining agents are tricky. I have a particularly troublesome batch this year that has what looks like semen hovering at the bottom 20% of one of my carboys. I suspect it is a pectin haze. I took a sample, divided it into 7 test tubes and added a different fining agent to each. These included bentonite, kieselsol, pectinase, chitosan, kiesesol + chitosan, isinglass, pectin esterase + calcium. After a week, each has worked to some degree in the sense that the upper 80% of the test tube is perfectly clear but the bottom 20% still has the offending scum floating in it. I will probably treat the whole 5 gal with bentonite because it has the least effect on color and flavor and seems to have flocculated the scum into a more clearly defined stable layer. I'm almost certain to lose 20% of this batch to the scum but if that flocculate layer is stable, I should be able to siphon off the clear cider without pulling a bunch of scum with it.

Using small samples to test fining agents will prevent you from ruining the whole batch before you solve the problem.