New England IPA Blasphemy - No Boil NEIPA

[deadwolfbones]

The only thing I would say is 175°F is getting quite close to the temperature where DMS can occur more rapidly. Any reason for that number? 165°F would be safer and is still well above pasteurization temperature. Check this out:

http://www.milkthefunk.com/wiki/Dimethyl_Sulfide#Short_Boils_and_Raw_Ale

Is DMS an issue with DME? It was my understanding that since the wort used to produce DME was already boiled, the potential for DMS was greatly reduced.

 

[applescrap]

Dms in dme, c'mon man

Btw, I have theorized, granted only theory, that dme has absolutely nothing to gain when boiled.

 

[deadwolfbones]

Trying to envision whether or not I'm going to be able to gravity transfer this out of my SS Brew Bucket without clogging the hell out of the keg poppet with hop debris. Looking at about 2 oz. in the whirlpool and 6 oz. dry hop. Obviously since it's DME, there will be less trub and S04 tends to flocc hard. Still a bit worried I'm going to have to siphon it.

 

[nathliea]

Deadwolfbones, no hop spider?

 

[Andre3000]

Is DMS an issue with DME? It was my understanding that since the wort used to produce DME was already boiled, the potential for DMS was greatly reduced.

Dms in dme, c'mon man

Btw, I have theorized, granted only theory, that dme has absolutely nothing to gain when boiled.

. My apologies gents. I did a full mash and my head was in that space, hence my irrelevant comments. Carry on!

 

[deadwolfbones]

Deadwolfbones, no hop spider?

I have two smaller cylindrical ones I could use in the fermenter and I could use my BIAB bag for the whirlpool. But I've read that the extraction is worse in a contained space. Also don't think I could get 6oz in those sealed cylindrical ones.

 

[deadwolfbones]

So I brewed this on Saturday and it already appears to be at FG (1.064 to 1.016—BS predicted 1.018). Tastes great, though very bitter because of all the hop particulate in suspension. Very juicy.

 

[nathliea]

Very bitter because of all the hop particulate in suspension.

Did you make any changes to the original recipe? I was thinking to brew this because I like NEIPAs but I don't like IPAs (NEIPAs end up being way less bitter, the bitterness is what turns me off IPAs). Do you think there would be a way to make this recipe and avoid the bitterness? I thought adding hops only as dryhopping or even whirlpool would really cut down on bitterness. Perhaps fining with gelatin before racking to the keg might help?

 

[deadwolfbones]

Did you make any changes to the original recipe? I was thinking to brew this because I like NEIPAs but I don't like IPAs (NEIPAs end up being way less bitter, the bitterness is what turns me off IPAs). Do you think there would be a way to make this recipe and avoid the bitterness? I thought adding hops only as dryhopping or even whirlpool would really cut down on bitterness. Perhaps fining with gelatin before racking to the keg might help?

Well, this was literally a sample taken during active fermentation from the spigot on the bucket (so the bottom of the bucket, where the hops/trub/yeast are). Not representative of what the final product will be like. I'll get back to you once it's kegged up and carbed.

 

[nathliea]

Awesome, excited to see how it turns out. If I could get a juicy NEIPA on tap with all that beautiful hop flavor and aroma but less IBUs, I'll be super happy.

 

[deadwolfbones]

Sampled again today: down to 1.013, which ought to be FG. Huge citrus aroma and flavor, mild but present bitterness, soft mouthfeel. I think it'll be a winner once carbed up.

 

[deadwolfbones]

Down to 1.011 now. Will check again in a couple days and if steady cold crash.

Still tastes great.

 

[nathliea]

Nice! I started a wheat beer last weekend so I'm waiting to brew this til yours is done and you can tell me if it's bitter or not

 

[deadwolfbones]

Finally tapped my take on this beer: https://brew4fun.wordpress.com/2019/03/24/lazy-haze/

Long story short, it's awesome.

 

[nathliea]

Thanks for sharing your review -- sorry to hear about your ankle!

 

[deadwolfbones]

Thanks for sharing your review -- sorry to hear about your ankle!

It happens, I guess! I made it to 37 without a broken bone or any other injury that required a hospital visit, so I don't have too much to complain about.

 

[jbedell2]

This thread has been a bit of a revelation for me. I've spent the last few years making all-grain NEIPA using variations of Braufessor's recipe. The results have been delicious, but damn it's a lot of time and work. With two little kids at home, it's been hard to brew frequently enough to keep a keg on tap. So when I saw this recipe, I thought "what the hell, how bad could it be" and decided to give it a try.

I tried to keep things as simple and quick as possible. I first heated filtered tap water in my electric kettle to about 200 degrees. I then transferred it into my SS Brewbucket, and stirred in 6lbs of Wheat DME, 2lbs of table sugar, and 5g or so of CaCl. I then put on the lid and an airlock and left it to cool overnight. Total hands-on brew day time: about 30 minutes (and no clean up! the only thing in the kettle was water!).

The next day, I pitched a packet of S-04 and put it in the fermentation chamber. I added 3 oz. each of Citra and Mosaic about 24 hours into active fermentation. Kegged only 5 days later when airlock activity had greatly slowed. Went from 1.070 to 1.011 so about 7.75%. Kegging was probably the most time consuming part, as I was very careful to avoid oxidation by purging the keg with C02 and doing a closed transfer.

Has only been carbing for 2 days, but beer is already quite drinkable. I expect it to improve significantly in the next week. It might not be as good or complex as an all-grain NEIPA with whirlpool additions, but I can't believe how easy the process was. Raising the water temp initially to 200 greatly reduced my concerns about infection (and made it easy to dissolve the DME and sugar), and with no bittering or whirlpool hops, I didn't have to worry about chilling it quickly. Perhaps best of all, the only thing I had to clean was my fermentor.

"Blasphemy no-boil NEIPA" should more accurately be called "Blasphemy no-boil no-chill no-bittering no-whirlpool no-cleanup no-angry-wife surprisingly-decent NEIPA."

Thanks OP!

 

[deadwolfbones]

This thread has been a bit of a revelation for me. I've spent the last few years making all-grain NEIPA using variations of Braufessor's recipe. The results have been delicious, but damn it's a lot of time and work. With two little kids at home, it's been hard to brew frequently enough to keep a keg on tap. So when I saw this recipe, I thought "what the hell, how bad could it be" and decided to give it a try.

I tried to keep things as simple and quick as possible. I first heated filtered tap water in my electric kettle to about 200 degrees. I then transferred it into my SS Brewbucket, and stirred in 6lbs of Wheat DME, 2lbs of table sugar, and 5g or so of CaCl. I then put on the lid and an airlock and left it to cool overnight. Total hands-on brew day time: about 30 minutes (and no clean up! the only thing in the kettle was water!).

The next day, I pitched a packet of S-04 and put it in the fermentation chamber. I added 3 oz. each of Citra and Mosaic about 24 hours into active fermentation. Kegged only 5 days later when airlock activity had greatly slowed. Went from 1.070 to 1.011 so about 7.75%. Kegging was probably the most time consuming part, as I was very careful to avoid oxidation by purging the keg with C02 and doing a closed transfer.

Has only been carbing for 2 days, but beer is already quite drinkable. I expect it to improve significantly in the next week. It might not be as good or complex as an all-grain NEIPA with whirlpool additions, but I can't believe how easy the process was. Raising the water temp initially to 200 greatly reduced my concerns about infection (and made it easy to dissolve the DME and sugar), and with no bittering or whirlpool hops, I didn't have to worry about chilling it quickly. Perhaps best of all, the only thing I had to clean was my fermentor.

"Blasphemy no-boil NEIPA" should more accurately be called "Blasphemy no-boil no-chill no-bittering no-whirlpool no-cleanup no-angry-wife surprisingly-decent NEIPA."

Thanks OP!

This is awesome. Post a pic when it's all carbed and hit us with your full tasting notes!

 

[nathliea]

So... slightly off-topic. The no-boil NEIPA was on my to-brew list but in the interim I was making an American wheat (Blue Moon clone, effectively) and I decided to dry hop it with 2 oz Amarillo during the last 3 days of fermentation and WOW. It comes across like a faux NEIPA. It's hazy and has that nice hop flavor and aroma with very little bitterness. I took a sample while it's still a bit tepid and undercarbed but I already love it.

Granted, it's all-grain and nowhere near as simple as this recipe is. But I love it so much (can't wait 'til it's cold and carbed!) that I might just stick to this one, lol.

Edit: though it may clear up a bit when it's properly cold crashed. We'll see. The flavor is great, though, so I won't care even if it's not hazy.

 

[jfenton78]

Has anyone tried doing a partial no boil them topping off with cold water to pitching temp? How where the results?

 

[Genuine]

I've been thinking about doing a half hour boil or less however I'm having trouble getting to an OG of 6.3-6.4 % without making the SRM go too crazy and not use any dextrose.

 

[dukedevil0]

So how do you dissolve the DME? Do you heat up the water enough to dissolve DME but not all the way to a boil?

 

[ThirstyPawsHB]

So how do you dissolve the DME? Do you heat up the water enough to dissolve DME but not all the way to a boil?

In my cold brew Hefe, just add dme to the bucket with RO water and stir. There are clumps but those go away. The end product is fine. DME is already boiled pre packaged. fyi.

 

[dukedevil0]

In my cold brew Hefe, just add dme to the bucket with RO water and stir. There are clumps but those go away. The end product is fine. DME is already boiled pre packaged. fyi.

Hmm ok. Feel like I’ve been stirring for quite awhile and still see some small clumps...

 

[dirkjk]

Brewed and carbed up my first batch of this. Head retention is poor and needs to be much softer mouthfeel for the style. Might be that its still a little green but this style is made to be drunk fresh. I have made NEIPA's before and never had these problems. Its ok, drinkable I guess but probably wont brew again. Just my 2 cents.

 

[dirkjk]

Brewed and carbed up my first batch of this. Head retention is poor and needs to be much softer mouthfeel for the style. Might be that its still a little green but this style is made to be drunk fresh. I have made NEIPA's before and never had these problems. Its ok, drinkable I guess but probably wont brew again. Just my 2 cents.

So, I will retract much of what I said earlier. After a week in the keg and a few pours that probably cleared the last of the hop particles, this is a much smoother beer. Head retention for me is still poor but the hop bite is gone. I still prefer my all grain recipe but for the ease and the fast brew day, you cant beat this.

 

[ThirstyPawsHB]

So, I will retract much of what I said earlier. After a week in the keg and a few pours that probably cleared the last of the hop particles, this is a much smoother beer. Head retention for me is still poor but the hop bite is gone. I still prefer my all grain recipe but for the ease and the fast brew day, you cant beat this.

Time is a HBers friend. Glad things are turning for the better.

 

[JunkTruck]

I want to give this a whirl but use the hops I have on hand. I have 2 ounces each of Meridian, Denali, Jarrylo, Eukanot and Sorachi ace.

What combination of these would you think would be a good choice to try ?

 

[Abhishek Dewan]

Awesome, I'd try it next. I too like to dry hop only and find enough bitterness imparted due to it. Late additions are a waste of money in my experience as during the fermentation, most of the aroma oils evaporate.

 

[thehaze]

I want to give this a whirl but use the hops I have on hand. I have 2 ounces each of Meridian, Denali, Jarrylo, Eukanot and Sorachi ace.

What combination of these would you think would be a good choice to try ?

Denali, Ekuanot and Meridian will work fine together, but I feel you might be still missing something in there, like some Citra, Amarillo, Mosaic ( not a fan ), Simcoe, Galaxy, Vic Secret, Ella, Riwaka, Motueka, etc. However, if you brew using these hops, the beer will turnn out well. I don't think it will be very juicy, but will definitely have interesting flavours. I wouldn't use Sorachi Ace, due to their very assertive dill flavour, which I am not a fan of.