Black IPA....oxymoron?

[dunnright00]

Here's my latest, Black IPA? IAA? CDA?

8 lbs Pale LME
1/4 lb. Crystal 40L
1/4 lb. Roasted

Hops
1 oz. Centennial hops (60 min boil)
1/2 oz. Cascade (30 min boil)
1/2 oz. Centennial hops (30 min boil)
1/2 oz. Centennial (15 min)
1 tsp Irish Moss (15 Min Boil)
1 oz. Chinook hops (5 min late boil)
1/2 oz. Cascade hops (end of boil)
1 oz each Chinook and Cascade hops (dryhopped)


White Labs California Ale Yeast WLP001

 

[brrman]

this is a style of beer that i really enjoy, i love IIPAs but the added complexity of the darker malts just gives this beer that something extra.

I have a Black IIPA recipe in my recipes section. And I agree - the darker malt gives it something special.

 

[CentralWABrewing]

A local brewery in my hometown(Iron Horse Brewery,Ellensburg) has been putting out a BIPA. Haven't had it yet but just had Widmers W10 which is a BIPA, really liking it.

 

[cheezydemon3]

I don't think it's a debate, but it has had the effect of making me self concious about referring to something as a black pale ale.

To me it sounds like "I'm going to get a hot iced coffee".

I won't judge others if they use the term.

 

[FreebootersBrewing]

I once made a "Black Wit" using 2 jars of Sinamar. http://www.northernbrewer.com/default/sinamar-4-oz.html

I wanted to throw people off asking them to tell me what kind of beer they were holding based on only appearance at first. Of course I got porter, stout, and every other dark beer out there. But when they smelled it they got orange, coriander and chamomile. There was almost no flavor from the Sinamar so it tasted like a wit too.

It was a fun experiment, I think I still have a few bottles in the basement, I'll have to pull one out soon.

 

[crammer]

This is a great topic since I'm currently entertaining the notion of brewing this style in the near future.

 

[PhillyBeerGuy]

I like Black IPA, I don't want to be limited to using NW hops. Sometimes I feel a little more noble.

 

[WIP]

I use hopsdirect.com hops. Grown right here in Washington.

 

[cheezydemon3]

This is a great topic since I'm currently entertaining the notion of brewing this style in the near future.

Oh hellllllll yes. Got the ingredients yet? I am even thinking 8 oz of rolled oats for stout mouth feel with a ton of hops!

I like Black IPA, I don't want to be limited to using NW hops. Sometimes I feel a little more noble.

Agreed. Cascadian sounds great, but it is limiting.

I prefer DHG....Dark Hop Grenade.

I use hopsdirect.com hops. Grown right here in Washington.

.............I can't tell if you have the right thread or not.....but that is cool!

 

[WIP]

I love the name Cascadian Dark Ale. I have been calling my latest IBA or ICA (chocolate). I am glad it is an accepted style (for the most part). Here is my loose recipe.

6 lbs light DME 1/2 early 1/2 late additions
1 lbs Crystal 40L steeped 45 min
1 lbs Chocolate Malt steeped 45 min

1/2 oz simcoe 1 oz us saaz 6o min
1 oz us saaz 30 min
1/2 oz simcoe 1 oz willamette 20 min
1 oz willamette 3 min
1/2 oz cascade dry hop

Irish moss, and nutrient.

I transferred this to secondary today, the hydrometer sample was a 1.011 with a color of about 21 srm. It tasted great, more on the coffee side than chocolate. Overall, I like it. The hops are there, but without carbonation etc. I couldn't pull out too many flavors. A little grapefruit and slightly spicy.

 

[WIP]

.............I can't tell if you have the right thread or not.....but that is cool!

Too many brews between reading and typing. When someone posted, about the use of all northwest hops, I jumped straight to where they are grown. :cross:

 

[cheezydemon3]

Too many brews between reading and typing. When someone posted, about the use of all northwest hops, I jumped straight to where they are grown. :cross:

Lol, no problem.

Guess this a bump, someone asked the same question, I see no need for further discussion.

 

[WIP]

I am drinking my first one now. It has the mouthfeel of an IPA the hoppiness of an IPA, but a strong roasted/coffee flavor.

 

[dunnright00]

I'm still not sure about mine.

I think I want to make two new batches, one with a little less of the dark/roasted grains, and another with less hops.

 

[Edcculus]

I still don't like the name. I was discussing the "style" the other day with a local brewer while sharing some Stone Sublimely Self Righteous. If brewed right with Sinmar or Carafa III, I suspect in a blind tasting, I couldn't tell the difference between it and a regular IPA.

Anyway, I suspect the style will eventually morph into something called American Strong, or American Strong Dark. I just don't think Black IPA is the appropriate term, since it is indeed not PALE.

 

[dunnright00]

I agree on the name. Cascadian Dark, or American Dark Ale sound good.

Mine however, You can taste the difference from a regular IPA.

 

[cheezydemon3]

ADA gets my vote.

India no longer has anything to do with it.

 

[DRoyLenz]

I agree on the name. Cascadian Dark, or American Dark Ale sound good.

Mine however, You can taste the difference from a regular IPA.

I'm calling mine a Cascadian Dark Ale. I think it just sounds so smooth. I think I could make a VERY cool label with a name like that.

 

[damdaman]

I modified an IPA recipe I was planning to brew to include chocolate and carafa II grains in an attempt to make one of these. I prefer Cascadia Dark Ale, as I live in the Republic of Cascadia and if indeed PNW brewers invented this then let's give them their props!

Here's the recipe I made up... centennial hops to represent washington, willamette and cascade hops represent oregon, and the california yeast since northern cali is part of Cascadia. I suppose I need to represent BC in there somehow but for now this works. Any constructive feedback on the recipe appreciated, it's been fermenting for 6 days now still very active. Looks fairly dark but I'm not sure if I quite got it dark enough.

7.5 lbs light DME (3 lbs. at start of boil, 4.5 at end)
12oz. victory
12oz. crystal 60L
6oz carafa II
6oz chocolate

2oz centennial 60
1oz centennial 30
1oz centennial 20
1.5oz cascade 15
1oz cascade flameout
1oz willamette flameout
1oz cascade dry
1oz willamette dry

Pitched 2 vials WL001 California Ale
OG: 1.077
Est. FG: 1.017
ABV: 7.8%
Color: 27 SRM
74 IBU
(SRM and IBU calculations by recipator)

 

[carnevoodoo]

Plenty of breweries refer to them as IBAs, and while the "I" is a misnomer, it is the same with the IIPA, as well. It is just easier for people to understand what an IBA is than a Cascadian Dark Ale. Sounds like an elitist bunch of crap to me.

 

[paint_it_black]

Here's the recipe I made up... centennial hops to represent washington, willamette and cascade hops represent oregon, and the california yeast since northern cali is part of Cascadia.

Lovin' the PNW love The regional breakdown is brilliant and I love this idea of incorporating ingredients from all around "Cascadia" for a Cascadian Dark. Might have to convert this to AG and brew my own!

Keep us posted and let us know how it turns out!

 

[Livendadream]

Anyone try the new Widmer Pitch Black? Oxymoron or not it is pretty tasty. I might have to brew one of these up. J

 

[dunnright00]

Has anyone tried the bashah? The Stone/Brew Dog collaboration.
They call it the Black Belgian Style Double India Pale Ale.

Semantics or not, it's a tasty beer!!

Edit: Funny, I didn't read Livendadream's post above. Wasn't trying to copy or mimic or anything....
weird..

 

[damdaman]

Lovin' the PNW love The regional breakdown is brilliant and I love this idea of incorporating ingredients from all around "Cascadia" for a Cascadian Dark. Might have to convert this to AG and brew my own!

Keep us posted and let us know how it turns out!

Thanks man, lemme know if you do convert it to AG as I plan to give it a try someday. Still having plenty of fun with extracts though.

 

[WIP]

UH MAY ZING!

 

[KCBrew]

I dry hopped about a quart of one of my oatmeal stouts with about .5 oz (I know...) of Palisade hops, just 'cuz I got em cheap.

While I wouldn't recommend such a hap hazard approach, I was amazed by the taste that came out in those 3 bottles. They had the standard roasty yet totally drinkable taste you expect from an Oatmeal Stout, but had an amazing fruity aroma and flavor that was really surprising.

I've never had a CDA/BIPA/IBA/&c.

But my interest is piqued...

 

[AirBronto]

I always like the Dogfish head Indian Brown Ale, it is all i know of this style.

 

[Thakog]

I've had both the Pitch Black and Dogzilla by Laughing Dog. Widmer actually did a good job with this one- I'm impressed. Being from Vancouver (WA) I also prefer the term Cascadian Dark. The really weird part for me is that I don't really like IPAs at all, but I am a big fan of the Cascadian Darks.

 

[LarryC]

I just received my mini-mash Black IPA (Cascadian Dark Ale) kit from AHS today! I bought it on the hope that it tastes like Stone's Sublimely Self Righteous. If it comes close, I'll be in home brew heaven

 

[gunhaver]

i like the name Black IPA personally. the oxymoronic nature of it, i think, was part of the whole genesis of the style to begin with.