TheCADJockey
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I stand by my previous suggestion to plaster that entire interior with the sick-nastyest linoleum you can find. Work it.
The New Brew Shed aka The Lady Cave
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1975brewer
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Can I ask why you thing it's necessary to avoid fiberglass insulation.
TheCADJockey
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Probably because it looks like cotton candy, but tastes like burning.
1975brewer
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I prefer a good home brew over a glass of fiber glass myself
It is hard to explain without seriously geeking out but it basically humid air condenses through multiple strati in the insulation. Works well as part of a "system" of air infiltration (control), insulation and vapor transmission. When used incorrectly it is a loose collection of nucleation sites for vapor to condense, travel down the fibers, pool on the bottom plate and cause rot and mold.
If you control vapor migration from the inside of the shed toward the outside, fiberglass is fine. The issue really is that in that climate, you would normally be controlling the infiltration of vapor from the EXTERIOR to the interior.
Since you live in a temperate climate, a lot of the "easy" options won't be common but here is the easiest homeowner installed route:
Common unfaced R11 fiberglass in the walls http://www.homedepot.com/p/Owens-Co...n-M41Q/202519278?N=5yc1vZbay7Z1z0uukvZ1z0zvdl
1/2" or 3/4" closed cell foam on top of the studs http://www.homedepot.com/p/Rmax-R-M...nsulation-Board-754404/100572981?N=5yc1vZbaxx
Tape the seams with this http://www.homedepot.com/p/TYVEK-HomeWrap-2-in-x-164-ft-Installation-Tape-D13841470/100422453
Wall covering of your choice over the top
OP
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Hello
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Wall covering, so not paint? Right?
I'll talk to my guy. The insulation board and unfazed insulation is not available within 100 miles of me. I didn't check outside of that range. I am also unable to order online. So I'll see what can happen.
Is standard sheetrock okay in houses because the exterior has a vapor barrier? Is that the only difference?
Those were just examples...I am 90% sure similar is available as these are really common materials.
If all else fails, just tell "your guy" to put a continuous vapor barrier on after insulating (normally just a heavish black or clear plastic with taped seams)...but you really want unfaced fiberglass when you put a separate vapor barrier in.
Regular sheetrock is OK because it really is part of a building system. I think the best way to understand it is that moisture does get inside walls. It has to have way out. How it gets out is normally dictated my the climate. In your climate, the primary concern is migration of water vapor from inside to outside.
PlexVector
Mellow Goose Brewing
You have me thinking about doing the same in the future. I have a space perfect for a brew shed behind the garage and next to the outdoor shower.
Think of your brew shed as a small bathroom/kitchen. Moisture (directly generated or condensing) and excess heat will need to be managed. In the pic I noticed a small vent above the door, which could be made larger and replaced with a strong exhaust fan relatively inexpensively and with screens on the windows to keep bugs out (skeeters
) may be enough and all you need until after your first summer or two. Then in the future your going to want air conditioning (at least one dedicated 120V/20A circuit for A/C window unit). Plan ahead for budgeting an exhaust system above the kettles and an air to air heat exchanger, so the shed is not a sauna during the NC summers. If the shed is getting direct sunlight on the roof, then consider R19 under the roof rather than R13. You will tell the difference even if it is just a shed.
Also consider anchoring the structure by next hurricane season so it doesn't blow off the foundation or roll over.
PS: Where is the recliner and 60" TV going?
Think of your brew shed as a small bathroom/kitchen. Moisture (directly generated or condensing) and excess heat will need to be managed. In the pic I noticed a small vent above the door, which could be made larger and replaced with a strong exhaust fan relatively inexpensively and with screens on the windows to keep bugs out (skeeters
) may be enough and all you need until after your first summer or two. Then in the future your going to want air conditioning (at least one dedicated 120V/20A circuit for A/C window unit). Plan ahead for budgeting an exhaust system above the kettles and an air to air heat exchanger, so the shed is not a sauna during the NC summers. If the shed is getting direct sunlight on the roof, then consider R19 under the roof rather than R13. You will tell the difference even if it is just a shed. Also consider anchoring the structure by next hurricane season so it doesn't blow off the foundation or roll over.
PS: Where is the recliner and 60" TV going?
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PlexVector
Mellow Goose Brewing
With un-faced fiberglass insulation a plastic sheeting vapor barrier goes on the inside of the room between the wall board and fiberglass.
SteelManCM
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@Hello: I have found a source for 2" thick 4' x 8' rigid foam insulation for $10. It's not too far from Raleigh. I picked some up just a couple weeks ago. PM me if you want more information. I work in RTP and it took me an hour to get there.
Forgive my ignorance, I don't understand building a brew shed in a place like Minneapolis.
Brewing involves liquids, so are you going to heat the shed all winter so they don't freeze ? Are you going to ferment in the shed or just brew there ?
How do you handle discharging waste liquids from a shed ? Do you trench a sewer line into it ? Or dump everything onto the lawn ?
Where does your water supply come from ? I understand using a garden hose in the summer, but in the winter ?
Just curious.
Brewing involves liquids, so are you going to heat the shed all winter so they don't freeze ? Are you going to ferment in the shed or just brew there ?
How do you handle discharging waste liquids from a shed ? Do you trench a sewer line into it ? Or dump everything onto the lawn ?
Where does your water supply come from ? I understand using a garden hose in the summer, but in the winter ?
Just curious.
How else ya gonna make ice beer?
TheCADJockey
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Who are you referring to now? This is in NC.
Bury RV hose below the freeze line. Only hook it up when in use for water supply. Could cheat and drain to lawn or could plumb in a drain. I dont think it would be too bad draining to lawn if not using nasty chemicals
augiedoggy
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I'm curious too... I'm brewing in a spare bedroom because I have no basement but I plan on moving soon...Anyway the shed crossed my mind before I realized how impractical it would be in the NY winter... I would have to heat it as anything that runs on newer r134a refrigerant wont run for very long without burning up unless the temps are above freezing (it turns to slush and burns out the compressor in a short time period)....
The temps and lack of clean quality water and sewer complicates things a bit.
augiedoggy
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I also missed this.... There must have been recent discussion of building one in Minneapolis by someone... damn hijackers
MaxStout is from Minn.
Sorry if this was a hijack, but some of the questions apply to brewshacks built in warm climates as well.
I, myself, considered brewing in my garage for a while. Its not heated, but could be, it has no water, but could have and it has no sewer hookup, but could have. I'm wondering if I'm missing something.
Nice looking brew shack! It's nice to have dedicated space for any hobby. I take it you'll just run a garden hose out there for water?
I built a 10 x 20 shed for woodworking about 8 years ago. I looked into the pre-built units and didn't like what I saw, so I stick-built mine. I did the electrical, which is a lot of work, but I enjoyed doing it (except digging the trench for the feeder). I have a 60A subpanel with a couple 240V and three 120V branch circuits. Plenty to power stationary tools, dust collector and lights, etc.
I wish I could build another one for brewing, but my city only allows one shed on residential lots.
Sorry if this was a hijack, but some of the questions apply to brewshacks built in warm climates as well.
I, myself, considered brewing in my garage for a while. Its not heated, but could be, it has no water, but could have and it has no sewer hookup, but could have. I'm wondering if I'm missing something.
TheCADJockey
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I also missed this.... There must have been recent discussion of building one in Minneapolis by someone... damn hijackers
Hey neighbor
I have serious envy, My HOA would not allow an outside shed, so I had to find a way to convert my garage into a brew pub, but still be able to park cars in it.
I still managed to make a Red-Brick Brew Hearth.
A shed would have been so much easier, your options are so wide open. Once you go this route you can't go ghetto. Make it awesome, you can pay it off later.
I still managed to make a Red-Brick Brew Hearth.
A shed would have been so much easier, your options are so wide open. Once you go this route you can't go ghetto. Make it awesome, you can pay it off later.
Menhir
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NC regulations will require the sink to be hooked up to a permitted wastewater system. The shed will also require a building permit since there will be electricity in it. Of course what the county doesn't know about...
I brew on my back porch or in my detached garage with no heat, water or sewer and barely any electricity including a recent session at 5 f. I will not get into the details how (unless you care) but the brewing is no that hard.
Fermenting, storage and serving are a little different. Fermenting is not even that challenging as you just use heat in your fermentation chamber/vessel. This is particularly easy with a fridge or freezer as you are already so nicely insulated.
Bulk storage of filled and carbonating kegs is not that bad for the same reason as you are just trying to keep it from freezing...very little heat (60 watt bulb) needed as long as they can be stored together (thermal mass) and insulated (3" foam).
I'm sure it *can* be done that way, the question is, why would you want to ? Brewing a 5 gallon batch involves using 6 gallons of water for the wort and another 4 to 6 gallons for waste products, cleaning, etc. Do you like carrying water around ? Do you like assembling and tearing down your equipment every brew session ?
I get wanting to have a dedicated space for brewing. I understand that having a small building dedicated to brewing would be cool. But is it practical, especially when you start dealing with insulating, wiring and plumbing it ? You are essentially building a really small, stand alone house, just to have a place to brew.
I am going to heat and insulate my garage in the near future. And its already wired. Given all that, I still couldn't justify plumbing water and sewer into it just for brewing.
I understand that people with freezing temps have a harder decision to make than those living in more temperate climates. However, my uninsulated garage is crazy hot in the summer. No way I could brew in it or store beer in it unless it was at least insulated, maybe even air conditioned. Most small buildings with windows are going to be this way.
So the minimal investment in one of these buildings is the shell, insulating it, wiring it and plumbing it. All for housing a brewstand for 1 brew session a month ? I'd have to think long and hard about that.
The problem with the shed is that you can't hide it. All it takes is one motivated neighbor and you've got an inspector at your door. And its really easy for them to order you to either bring the shed up to code or remove it. It is, after all, a shed, on skids, not on a poured foundation.
Building codes exist for a reason.
I won't interrupt your thread anymore.
All valid comments and I do not want you to think I believe the shed is a bad idea...actually I love it but not in my current location. I even posted earlier how I want to do a portable version of the same with bar area.
Every climate creates its own challenges. In my current location, the basement is the obvious choice but I would have a $600 investment in parts for the conversion to electric or a $400 investment for an NG burner version of the same. This would benefit me only 3 months a year. I would rather spend it on ingredients.
My set-up and tear down time is about 15 minutes each. I built a folding brew stand out of about $40 in OSB and a few 2" x 3" plus a few casters I have laying around. My hardest thing is cleaning while brewing when I would rather be drinking.
I think the OP stated that her shed didn't require a permit, due to its size.
But yes, good point in general. If a permit is needed, it's better to have it than risk getting ratted out later by a nosy neighbor.
In my city, it's only $50 for the permit, and sheds under 120 sq. ft. don't require one. I have no idea what the fines are for not having a permit, but I think it's more than $50. I have heard stories from other communities where the city orders the removal of non-compliant sheds. Ditto for decks, porches, etc. Not worth the hassle.
I think the OP stated that her shed didn't require a permit, due to its size.
But yes, good point in general. If a permit is needed, it's better to have it than risk getting ratted out later by a nosy neighbor.
In my city, it's only $50 for the permit, and sheds under 120 sq. ft. don't require one. I have no idea what the fines are for not having a permit, but I think it's more than $50. I have heard stories from other communities where the city orders the removal of non-compliant sheds. Ditto for decks, porches, etc. Not worth the hassle.
I'm pretty sure that when you start running water and 100A power into a building, it ceases to be "shed" as the city intended and starts becoming something more like a mini dwelling. Different rules will apply.
I renovated a big house last year, dealt with all the permits and inspectors. I know a bit about building, wiring, plumbing, etc. If the OP was "surprised" at what it took to get power into the shed, some of the upcoming hurdles could be 10x what that was.
I'm certain that the OP is either going to be carrying waste water back into the house or installing permanent plumbing (ie sewage line) into the shed. Given it appears she is part of a condo setup, I doubt they are going to want the grass dug up to install the sewer line, so... ????
For me, a sink with a working drain is a brewing necessity. I've done it without one, I won't go back.
If I had absolutely no dedicated/shareable room to brew, I'd wire a 40-50A plug inside a cabinet in the kitchen and build a small electric brewstand on wheels and brew in the kitchen. Every kitchen has a sink, running water and a drain, which I think are essential for brewing.
I sure hope the OP placed her panel well outside of 6 to 8 feet away from where any water will be. The rule is usually that outlets and switches have to be far enough away so that one arm can't touch them while the other arm is immersed in water. Ie you can't reach the bathroom light switch while you have your other arm in the bathtub. If not, they have to be on a GFI circuit.
Kirkwooder
Emperor of all things nobody cares about
I love the idea but think it's getting way over thought by most here.
I have been a general contractor for 20 years and while building a home correctly can get quite complicated, with consideration needed for climate control, a simple shed to brew in doesn't need to be so complicated.
Fiberglass, vapor barrier, drywall, paint, is all you need. Don't over complicate it, it's just a shed to brew in after all. K.I.S.S. is a good rule to live by. Power vent while actually brewing. Provide some kind of ventilation(crack a window) when not brewing or heating the space, and you should have no real issues.
The plastic wall coverings can discolor and are expensive. If this happens they need to be ripped out and replaced. If you paint the drywall, and it gets shabby, you can just repaint. Another option would be to use some inexpensive plywood sheeting for your walls. If cut carefully, and installed with some care, it can be painted like drywall, yet provides a much more rugged finished wall. The seems and corners can even be caulked with a latex caulk for a more finished look.
Your not brewing everyday, or likely, even every week. The space will likely see little other use. There is no reason to treat it like a commercial brewery.
Just my $.02
Great thread!
I have been a general contractor for 20 years and while building a home correctly can get quite complicated, with consideration needed for climate control, a simple shed to brew in doesn't need to be so complicated.
Fiberglass, vapor barrier, drywall, paint, is all you need. Don't over complicate it, it's just a shed to brew in after all. K.I.S.S. is a good rule to live by. Power vent while actually brewing. Provide some kind of ventilation(crack a window) when not brewing or heating the space, and you should have no real issues.
The plastic wall coverings can discolor and are expensive. If this happens they need to be ripped out and replaced. If you paint the drywall, and it gets shabby, you can just repaint. Another option would be to use some inexpensive plywood sheeting for your walls. If cut carefully, and installed with some care, it can be painted like drywall, yet provides a much more rugged finished wall. The seems and corners can even be caulked with a latex caulk for a more finished look.
Your not brewing everyday, or likely, even every week. The space will likely see little other use. There is no reason to treat it like a commercial brewery.
Just my $.02
Great thread!
1975brewer
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This is $.02 that's worth at least $1.00
PlexVector
Mellow Goose Brewing
Consider this a question: (Since the shed being a so called portable structure can be equipped similar to an RV with a heavy duty electrical connection that is plugged into the back of the nearby structure. The same for water. Then the only thing that needs to have permits are the permanent attachments, like is found at RV parks, to the nearby structure. Of course that would add extra cost, but could be a loop hole.) ?
OP
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Hello
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I'm going to try and address some thoughts that have been thrown out there.
I will ferment in the shed. In ferment in my garage mostly now which is only insulted on the interior walls. That makes up a total of one wall being insulated. It drops down to about 32 in there sometimes. But with a temp controlled ferm chamber, I'll be able to control temps. The bigger issue will be how hard the freezer will work in the summer & coldest part of the winter. I'd have to be sure to monitor everything. With a fully insulated room that does get morning sun, I am half expecting it to never drop down to 30º. Only time will tell. If I have to address a source that will heat/cool, I will do that. I can put a temp controller on a window a/c unit, if I recall.
Discharge of waste liquids:
Water and organic material (trub) - a french drain to a run off creek.
Water with chemicals - a bucket for now.
Water supply comes from a hose bib behind the shed. In the winter I should not have any issues due to my climate.
I wasn't trying to be cool. I can't do it in the garage. The space just isn't there entirely and I'm not giving up my parking space for my bike and truck. So I decided on the shed knowing the investment would be greater.
I also have the required permits. Where permits weren't required, I have e-mail responses that support why a permit wasn't needed.
A sink with a working drain is necessary, correct. I am not part of a condo setup. I own a home on a lot to which a SFR has been built. I am in a sub-divison. I do not share walls and I have no neighbors behind me. I am unsure where the condo part came in.
You're free to address me, BTW.
I had a qualified and licensed electrician review my floor plan and place the panel away from the water. I need 36" of space around the panel, by code. I am not to place anything around that area as the fire department needs access should there be an issue. I'm sure it surprises you that I considered that safety measure as well. There are reasons I paid someone to do the electrical instead of attempting it myself. Heck, I didn't even build my own control panel. I think I'm on the right track with safety.
I have included GFI circuits as well. There is too much water going around not to have done that. I also had two 8' ground rods driven into the ground for the shed. I did not allow the ground to be hooked up to the ground rods on the house. these are brand new galvanized rods that are 8' into the ground.
So I am mindful of things. What has turned into some questions on insulation has evolved in what I am gathering is you believing I have made a dumb choice and continue to make even dumber ones. I have past experience in the design side of new structures. I was a jr. draftsman for a time and there are structures I designed with architects that are standing today, 20 years later. Somehow I manage. I hope I at least answered some of your questions and cleared up concerns. I will tell you that this hobby has obviously taken a huge step in a weird direction. But I wanted to do it and I'm going for it. No one freaks out when a basement is converted, this is only slightly different.
As for progress...the inspection for the electrical is this week. I will be doing the drywall in just over a week. I want to get another payday under my belt. Then I'll install the flooring myself. I can do the drywall but I hate ladders and I cannot do the ceiling, so I'm getting help. Then I will start the brew table. I wanted to have everything else done before I finalized that plan. From there it is only a matter of setting everything else up and addressing some exterior items.
My intent was to treat the shed like a bathroom with a shower, just as I did my powder room rebuild. I figured that would be sufficient as long as I kept a vent fan on throughout the boil and let it run for a bit after. I also upgraded to a window with a screen, just like a house window, and a door that opens inward so I can install a screen door. The goal was ventilation.
You have the climate pretty much dialed in. The shed will not be temp controlled when I am not in there, correct. In the summer I actually considered a dehumidifier just because. My baseboard is going to be PVC and the flooring will be vinyl laid over concrete backing board. Under that is 3/4" dry ply. Another shed upgrade.
I don't know where R13 came in, but I have R19 planned. I will install a vent fan and it will be vented to the outside just over my boil kettle. The eves are soffeted, so I'm using baffles and the roof has a ridge roof vent so air has a place to go. The window is screened, the door will be screened, but last. It is too much of a pain to deal with two doors when moving things in and such. I have a 120/20A circuit for a window a/c or whatever I want. The other is dedicated for the freezer.You have me thinking about doing the same in the future. I have a space perfect for a brew shed behind the garage and next to the outdoor shower.
Think of your brew shed as a small bathroom/kitchen. Moisture (directly generated or condensing) and excess heat will need to be managed. In the pic I noticed a small vent above the door, which could be made larger and replaced with a strong exhaust fan relatively inexpensively and with screens on the windows to keep bugs out (skeeters
Also consider anchoring the structure by next hurricane season so it doesn't blow off the foundation or roll over.
PS: Where is the recliner and 60" TV going?
This is exactly how I saw it happening. I always intended to do the sheeting over the insulation. I did that in my powder room as well.With un-faced fiberglass insulation a plastic sheeting vapor barrier goes on the inside of the room between the wall board and fiberglass.
I'll shoot you a PM.
Though I do not live in MN, I will answer some questions.
I will ferment in the shed. In ferment in my garage mostly now which is only insulted on the interior walls. That makes up a total of one wall being insulated. It drops down to about 32 in there sometimes. But with a temp controlled ferm chamber, I'll be able to control temps. The bigger issue will be how hard the freezer will work in the summer & coldest part of the winter. I'd have to be sure to monitor everything. With a fully insulated room that does get morning sun, I am half expecting it to never drop down to 30º. Only time will tell. If I have to address a source that will heat/cool, I will do that. I can put a temp controller on a window a/c unit, if I recall.
Discharge of waste liquids:
Water and organic material (trub) - a french drain to a run off creek.
Water with chemicals - a bucket for now.
Water supply comes from a hose bib behind the shed. In the winter I should not have any issues due to my climate.
I intended to hook the RV hose up each time I brewed. I'm not brewing daily, maybe weekly, but most likely every 2 weeks. I figured it was easy enough to bring the hose back into the shed when not in use.
That is correct, if there is a sink then yes, it should be hooked up to a permitted wastewater system, but if I'm draining water only, then I shouldn't have an issue. Before buying the shed I discussed in length with my neighbor. I don't have to, but I do. I do it each time I am making a change to the exterior of my house. I then call the HOA, then the permit office. My shed does not require a permit according to my Town. It is not large enough. The electrical did. I have the permit and had it before the work was done. Inspection is this week. They have already inquired about the shed and I provided them with measurements to show there is not breach of easement lines, the shed is more than 10' from any lot line, and no wall is over 12' in length. The electrical is all that needs to be permitted. I'm not trying to do this behind the town's back. This is my home and the town will make me move it if they see I didn't get the necessary permits. They are very diligent in this process.
I will only have to remove the hose. That is it. That is basically the purpose of the shed. My setup stays setup.
Is it practical? No. I mean, I have an entire house to brew in and no one would stop me. However, I am thinking longer term and I felt the shed was a good choice, for me. It is hugely impractical to some, I know. From a cost standpoint, this is an investment, without a doubt. I even went as far as to speak to an appraiser about the shed. I wanted to be sure it did not decrease the value of the home. I understand it doesn't make sense for a hobby, but I believe similar amounts of money have been spent by others to outfit their basements. I don't have a basement, unfortunately.
I wasn't trying to be cool.
I can't do it in the garage. The space just isn't there entirely and I'm not giving up my parking space for my bike and truck. So I decided on the shed knowing the investment would be greater. And that is understood.
This is true. I won't be storing beer in there outside the ferm chamber. The garage, you're correct. I have to bring all my garage beer inside that currently sits on the floor next to the fridge when the temps start rising.
I sure did think long and hard about it. I mean, I work hard for my money and basically this wasn't a small investment. It has been at least a year in the making. I considered other rooms of the house and knew that converting them into a brewery of sorts would be an issue if I were to sell later. I think the shed is right for me, it is clearly not right for you.
My neighbors are motivated. They're diligent and they were spoken to. They were given pictures of the shed, a site plan with the proposed shed drawn in so they could see how far out it would sit from my house and how much of it they were going to have to see. I then went over drainage of water, ensuring chemicals weren't going into the run off creek between and behind houses. I explained to them the electrical as I saw it. Because our HOA is essentially hands off, I told them they had the ultimate choice. I'm a very considerate neighbor. I consulted with all affected neighbors when I was having a fence built. I asked about material, style, and color. I did the same when I wanted to top off trees as well. Nothing else major has been done that needed consult.
I also have the required permits. Where permits weren't required, I have e-mail responses that support why a permit wasn't needed.
$66 for the electrical permit, but right, no permit for the shed. I asked if the shed had electrical did the shed now need to be permitted, they said no due to the size. They did say if I was running water to the shed from my house and draining to the main wastewater drain then I would need another permit. Permits are much cheaper than having to move sheds or dismantle electrical and plumbing.I think the OP stated that her shed didn't require a permit, due to its size.
But yes, good point in general. If a permit is needed, it's better to have it than risk getting ratted out later by a nosy neighbor.
In my city, it's only $50 for the permit, and sheds under 120 sq. ft. don't require one. I have no idea what the fines are for not having a permit, but I think it's more than $50. I have heard stories from other communities where the city orders the removal of non-compliant sheds. Ditto for decks, porches, etc. Not worth the hassle.
See above about the electrical. I was surprised what it took to wire up the shed, that doesn't equate to total ignorance though. I will be carrying wastewater WITH chemicals to the house. I will not be carrying straight up water anywhere. I water my plants with hose water, I don't catch run off and run into the house to dump it. I wouldn't see the point here.
A sink with a working drain is necessary, correct. I am not part of a condo setup. I own a home on a lot to which a SFR has been built. I am in a sub-divison. I do not share walls and I have no neighbors behind me. I am unsure where the condo part came in.
You're free to address me, BTW.
I had a qualified and licensed electrician review my floor plan and place the panel away from the water. I need 36" of space around the panel, by code. I am not to place anything around that area as the fire department needs access should there be an issue. I'm sure it surprises you that I considered that safety measure as well. There are reasons I paid someone to do the electrical instead of attempting it myself. Heck, I didn't even build my own control panel. I think I'm on the right track with safety.
I have included GFI circuits as well. There is too much water going around not to have done that. I also had two 8' ground rods driven into the ground for the shed. I did not allow the ground to be hooked up to the ground rods on the house. these are brand new galvanized rods that are 8' into the ground.
So I am mindful of things. What has turned into some questions on insulation has evolved in what I am gathering is you believing I have made a dumb choice and continue to make even dumber ones. I have past experience in the design side of new structures. I was a jr. draftsman for a time and there are structures I designed with architects that are standing today, 20 years later. Somehow I manage.
I hope I at least answered some of your questions and cleared up concerns. I will tell you that this hobby has obviously taken a huge step in a weird direction. But I wanted to do it and I'm going for it. No one freaks out when a basement is converted, this is only slightly different. As for progress...the inspection for the electrical is this week. I will be doing the drywall in just over a week. I want to get another payday under my belt. Then I'll install the flooring myself. I can do the drywall but I hate ladders and I cannot do the ceiling, so I'm getting help. Then I will start the brew table. I wanted to have everything else done before I finalized that plan. From there it is only a matter of setting everything else up and addressing some exterior items.
Everyone should be this conscientious and safety/permission minded.
This is a great thread.
This is a great thread.
TheCADJockey
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You should've just started throat chopping people instead. This is your shed. Bunch of jelly brewers around here it sounds like.
sompls
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You should've just started throat chopping people instead. This is your shed. Bunch of jelly brewers around here it sounds like.
+1 to this...sheesh, I don't think Hello owes anybody an explanation. Having said that, Hellos post was very well said. Enjoy the process and thanks for having us along.
1977Brewer
Free Dan Hess.
I have Lady Cave envy, big time. I'm not going to judge your process one bit. The electrical to my shed will be via an extension cord to the GFCI outlet on the wall outside my sunroom. Wastewater will be dumped in the drainage ditch on the corner of my property. I will not be insulating or venting it yet. Your shed is a palace cmpared to my shed.
OP
OP
Hello
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I'm just trying to do it all right. In spite of questions and such, my goal was to do it right. I've done a great deal around my house including fixing the pipe to the toilet, plumbing installed wrong from the wall, and door casing that had seen too much water and the old owners caulked to fill holes and painted over. Driving a screw through to install a new storm door ended up being a pretty large project. This spring I'll be re-doing my deck, with screws and not nails.
I appreciate the concern, in spite of the delivery, and I like the suggestions. I've had a chance to really talk to the people who are doing the work and make sure they're going to do it right. I would expect nothing less. If it means I can't buy something shiny and new right away because of cost, then so be it. But I do want things done right.
Side note: I called my insurance company before I got the shed and asked about coverage. I also asked about payouts should anything happen and what's the best route to go to ensure they don't find a loophole to not pay. The licensed electrician is key and if there is no permit, they will not pay anything. So everything that needs a permit will have a permit. My coverage will cover the house and the shed and then some, but I'll be scheduling in certain things like the brew control panel, my kettles, and such.
I appreciate the concern, in spite of the delivery, and I like the suggestions. I've had a chance to really talk to the people who are doing the work and make sure they're going to do it right. I would expect nothing less. If it means I can't buy something shiny and new right away because of cost, then so be it. But I do want things done right.
Side note: I called my insurance company before I got the shed and asked about coverage. I also asked about payouts should anything happen and what's the best route to go to ensure they don't find a loophole to not pay. The licensed electrician is key and if there is no permit, they will not pay anything. So everything that needs a permit will have a permit. My coverage will cover the house and the shed and then some, but I'll be scheduling in certain things like the brew control panel, my kettles, and such.
That is a good solution too. And even better you can put a spigot on the receiving end on the shed and essentially 'jumper' to the house connection. I am thinking of something similar to install a slop sink in my garage.
I am envious of your shed. I think I am going to have to fix my current shed and do something similar, or tear it down and upgrade to something bigger. If I do, I am probably building it myself though.
