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I would raise the temperature after 5 days and keep it there for another 5. Dry hopping at temps. over 70F is somewhat not recommended, if you read through all the IPA/NEIPA threads, but wouldn't neccessarily mean that doing it at 70F could cause any major issues.
 
Just an update on this. Life got busy and I cold crashed and effectively lagered it for 5 weeks in my spike cf5. I didn't bother dry hopping (had planned to in mid 60's after the 70f rest followed by soft crash for yeast dump). This is quite possibly the strangest brew I've done. I can see why many people don't like it. It doesn't really seem like it fits any normal category of beer. To me it tastes like I blended a hoppy IPA (large whirlpool addition) and a simple belle Saison brew. I don't mind it. Can't say I like it. Can't say I hate it. I'm somewhat confused yet keep pouring more. Cheers.
 
Some recent experience: I brewed two Pale Ales in August where the only variable was the yeast between these two batches - one got S-33 and the other one US-05. The recipe was exactly the same for both:

S-33 was 5.5% ABV ( OG: 1.050 / FG: 1.008 - 83% AA - hop creep?? ) and US-05 was 5.8% ABV ( OG:1.051 / FG: 1.007 - 86% AA - hop creep again?? ) - both around 50 IBU - SRM 3

100% Pilsner malt
100 gr / 3.5 oz Mandarina Bavaria - kettle + whirlpool
100 gr / 3.5 oz Idaho 7 - only whirlpool
30 gr / 1 oz Simcoe - only whirlpool
100 gr / 3.5 oz Motueka - dry hop 2 days
70 gr / 2.5 oz Simcoe - dry hop 2 days
Mash water: 20 ppm Na / 10 ppm Mg / 150 ppm Cl / 250 ppm SO4 / whatever Ca was in there, but around 190 ppm - Mash pH was 5.4 at room temperature, whcih was 20C/68F. Mash temp. was 65C/149F for 90 minutes

Boiled for 1 hour, pitched 2 sachets each, fermented at around 71-73F and kegged 12 days from pitching yeast. No cold crash. Left the beers for 10 days at around 12-13 PSI. In the first month, the beers showcased pineapple as the main aroma, some " unrefined " citrus notes, black tea, maybe a touch of herbal notes. The beers lastes around 2 months in the kegs. No signs of oxidation or colour changing. They were pretty hazy, although I didn't plan on it.

In the last 3 weeks, they started to clear and the pineapple disappeared in the S-33 batch, leaving room for powdered sugar/vanilla in the nose, distinct lime, soft generic citrus, soft herbal/pine? on the palate. The US-05 was generally a bit more popping, sharper - both aroma and flavour wise, although the US-05 batch did not have any " sweet " notes in the aroma, but more of a dank/maybe catty/citrussy aroma, but not unpleasent, whereas the S-33 was more estery, fruitier, softer, pleasent, with a milder/softer bitterness and easier on the palate.

I was surprised of how the beers changed over time, but in a good way. I have to say that S-33 is a good yeast. Whether it's luck, or just a good choice of ingredients, recipe and process, that resulted in the final product, I cannot say. But I will not stop using it. I am bit confused about the high attenuation in both cases. It could've been an error in measuring, determing gravity, etc. They however did not suffer from any diacetyl, sulphur, popcorn, butterscotch, high alcohols, phenols or anything that would point out to flaws and off-flavours. These beers were tasted by many people, among these people that also brew beer and are in the beer industry. ( however small it is :) ). Most people liked the S-33 beer better. Cheers!
 
I just brewed a NE IPA (used extra light DME) with S-33 and it tastes and smells like a fresh bag of tortilla chips. I like it, but I bittered with CTZ, whirlpooled with Mosaic, and dry hopped with BRU-1 and Sabro - I didn't expect this flavor. I am reading that it comes from 2-acetylpyridine. Is S-33 known to produce a lot of this compound?? How can it be avoided?
 
I just brewed a NE IPA (used extra light DME) with S-33 and it tastes and smells like a fresh bag of tortilla chips. I like it, but I bittered with CTZ, whirlpooled with Mosaic, and dry hopped with BRU-1 and Sabro - I didn't expect this flavor. I am reading that it comes from 2-acetylpyridine. Is S-33 known to produce a lot of this compound?? How can it be avoided?


No, it does not. I also don't eat tortillas, but I guess they smell of corn? That " 2-acetylpyridine " comes from the malt used, as far as I can read: Malty-biscuity beer flavour standard - 2-acetyl pyridine - malt dust. and Analyzing Malt Flavor | MoreBeer

Moreover, if your beer only smells of cooked corn, that's unfortunate. It should smell of hops. That compound is not produced by yeast.
 
No, it does not. I also don't eat tortillas, but I guess they smell of corn? That " 2-acetylpyridine " comes from the malt used, as far as I can read: Malty-biscuity beer flavour standard - 2-acetyl pyridine - malt dust. and Analyzing Malt Flavor | MoreBeer

Moreover, if your beer only smells of cooked corn, that's unfortunate. It should smell of hops. That compound is not produced by yeast.


It's not cooked corn like DMS, its toasted corn like chips or tortillas. I've tasted this flavor in hefeweizens/wheat beers in the past. its the craziest thing. It's only been bottle conditioning for 5 days. Perhaps I need to give it 5 more to see if it goes away
 
In that case, I don't think it's tortillas you are tasting, because hefeweizens do not have that. Is it possible you are perceiving phenols as corn chips? I don't know which hefeweizens you have tried but Weihenstephaner, Paulaner, Franziskaner, Ayinger, Schneider, etc. do not have that.
 
In that case, I don't think it's tortillas you are tasting, because hefeweizens do not have that. Is it possible you are perceiving phenols as corn chips? I don't know which hefeweizens you have tried but Weihenstephaner, Paulaner, Franziskaner, Ayinger, Schneider, etc. do not have that.

Out of all those I have only tried paulaner and your right it doesn’t have any tortilla chip flavor. I thought S-33 was POF-?
 
I would definitely not call it tortilla chip. As for the Hefeweizen reference, yes I get a similar taste from the yeast with slight clove and banana esters.
 
Does anyone have experience with the S33 consistently restarting fermentation around the 2 week mark?

Something I have noticed in my notes with the S33 (and also M15) is that they ferment very quickly, getting to around 64 - 68% AA within 4 - 5 days with no further gravity drop thereafter. However on a couple of brews where i have left the primary up to 28 days, i seem to get up to 75% AA.

Searching around the forums I have seen some people mention that the fermentation can start again after 2 weeks but i would like to check if this is a regular phenomenon for evceryone.
 
It makes a real good spelt bread. Ran out of yeast, stores were closed, warm water with some honey, five minutes to get foam, into the dough it went, marvelous.
 
I'm a fan, have been for a while but picked it up again lately since Fermentis recommend it for NEIPA now, along with K-97 and S-04.

Goes great in a stout or porter - nice esters and profile and a bit of residual sweetness and body to back up the roast flavours.

It's funny how when i started brewing I was all about having high attenuating yeast strains in general as I thought low attenuating strains would make overly sweet beer, now I really enjoy it along with cutting back on bitterness levels. How our palate changes, eh!
 
Its close relative Windsor has a reputation for slowly creeping through fermentation like that, after you think it's finished.
It's a little confusing though, since 75% AA for a simple all grain recipe typically suggests the yeast does consume a significant amount of maltotriose. Would that mean the S33 / ESB / Windsor family utilizes maltotriose, albeit at extended fermentations, or do they strictly not consume maltotriose and something else is going on?
 
Wouldn't be surprised if the overattenuation is from hop creep - maltotriose is linked together with (1,4) glycoside bonds - the type that hop glucosidases would be able to cleave.
Of course if people aren't dry hopping and getting attenuation over 80% there might be something else at play
 
Wouldn't be surprised if the overattenuation is from hop creep - maltotriose is linked together with (1,4) glycoside bonds - the type that hop glucosidases would be able to cleave.
Of course if people aren't dry hopping and getting attenuation over 80% there might be something else at play

I don't dry hop for those recipes, so i am getting 64 - 68% AA for my S33 and M15 within 5 days which is typical for a yeast that doesnt utilise maltotriose. But a few times i was busy and left it fermenting for up to 28 days it got up to 75% AA.

Not sure about the creeping part either because i have tried measuring at 7 and 10 days but its basically still at 64 - 68% AA. Its as if the yeast falls asleep for a couple of weeks after the maltose meal and wakes up hungry for maltotriose
 
I don't dry hop for those recipes, so i am getting 64 - 68% AA for my S33 and M15 within 5 days which is typical for a yeast that doesnt utilise maltotriose. But a few times i was busy and left it fermenting for up to 28 days it got up to 75% AA.

Not sure about the creeping part either because i have tried measuring at 7 and 10 days but its basically still at 64 - 68% AA. Its as if the yeast falls asleep for a couple of weeks after the maltose meal and wakes up hungry for maltotriose
That scares the s*it out of me, I'm happy that I used the one pack I had for baking.
 
That scares the s*it out of me, I'm happy that I used the one pack I had for baking.

i do get a little paranoid and make sure to keep my bottles in the fridge, but i'm sure if there were any issues people would have reported it? S33 seems to be a pretty widely used yeast, plus it makes perfectly good beer
 
I haven't experienced any overly carbonated bottles whenever using S-33, even after a few months. But the latest batch brewed with S-33 went in the keg and its apparent attenuation was 83%, as mentioned earlier. I got 86% with US-05. I can't put my finger on what happended. I am happy to assume that I made a mistake when measuring gravity with the hydrometer. I have two hydrometers, and always cross-check with both. The batch was dry hopped with 6 oz / 170 gr hops that stayed on the beer for only 2 days. I mashed low and added 2 sachets for something like 6 gallons of beer with an OG of just 1.050. Fermentis states attenuation between 68-72%, which is consistent with what I usually get it with it. I have experienced higher attenuation before, when mashing low and adding 5-6% simple sugars.
 
Does anyone have experience with the S33 consistently restarting fermentation around the 2 week mark?

Something I have noticed in my notes with the S33 (and also M15) is that they ferment very quickly, getting to around 64 - 68% AA within 4 - 5 days with no further gravity drop thereafter. However on a couple of brews where i have left the primary up to 28 days, i seem to get up to 75% AA.

Searching around the forums I have seen some people mention that the fermentation can start again after 2 weeks but i would like to check if this is a regular phenomenon for evceryone.

I wonder if extending the fermentation time allows for the potential of wild yeasts to enter into the system and re-kindle the fermentation?
 
I wonder if extending the fermentation time allows for the potential of wild yeasts to enter into the system and re-kindle the fermentation?

Definitely, but that would be a general sanitation issue. Since i haven't experienced that with other yeasts i just assumed contamination wasn't the reason.

I have done fermentations with S04 and the gravity stays the same whether i leave it for 7 days or 30 days
 
I'm a fan, have been for a while but picked it up again lately since Fermentis recommend it for NEIPA now, along with K-97 and S-04.

Goes great in a stout or porter - nice esters and profile and a bit of residual sweetness and body to back up the roast flavours.

It's funny how when i started brewing I was all about having high attenuating yeast strains in general as I thought low attenuating strains would make overly sweet beer, now I really enjoy it along with cutting back on bitterness levels. How our palate changes, eh!
For many years, all I made was bottle conditioned Belgian style Ales......
Now 99% Lagers, with a few "Ales" - (Weizen bier, Kolsch)
I do miss the Belgians, but I just got too F'd up on them and gained a lot of weight.... Now riding a bicycle a lot, and drinking lagers!
 

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