Random Beer Thoughts

[JulianB1]

What, you guys aren't fans of 4 Peaks?

 

[Lutter]

Isn't SanTan kind of a thing in Arizona?

They make it to Texas.

Sex Panther is gross, but I thought their IPA was garbage water.

 

[JRBecks]

Psssssh I bought a 24pk of Mich ultra for $4.99 once

 

[stoutsandstouts]

Isn't SanTan kind of a thing in Arizona?

They make it to Texas.

Sex Panther is gross, but I thought their IPA was garbage water.

If making beers that range from below average to really bad is "kind of a thing," then, yes, they are. I apologized to a friend in Texas when he told me they were getting San Tan. Just my opinion, and I'm the exact opposite of a homer when it comes to Arizona beer. I really want us to get better, so it's a tough love thing.

 

[Lutter]

I really want us to get better, so it's a tough love thing

It's sad, but SanTan is literally the only beer from Arizona that makes it to Texas.

 

[Padraig]

Nice to see GBH keeping up the pressure.

 

[drgarage1]

I should say that It was maybe chilquiles that did me in, but everyone kept telling me to try the burgers everywhere we went and, well, my standard is Burger Antics.... it left me feeling sad for burger prospects in Phoenix.

Eat the food that is awesome in the place you are going and isn't where you're from. Don't go to what the locals think is an awesome version of what you know to be awesome at home. Do this, and you'll never feel sad for people.

I don't eat Mexican in New York, I don't tell New Yorkers to eat pizza in SF, no matter how good I know the place to be. I only get tacos in the Southwest, which includes all of Northern California. I'm so happy with food.

 

[Gene1]

Eat the food that is awesome in the place you are going and isn't where you're from. Don't go to what the locals think is an awesome version of what you know to be awesome at home. Do this, and you'll never feel sad for people.

I don't eat Mexican in New York, I don't tell New Yorkers to eat pizza in SF, no matter how good I know the place to be. I only get tacos in the Southwest, which includes all of Northern California. I'm so happy with food.

Yes!

 

[jvanaus]

First time poster, please be gentle. Also, in before INRAT.

I was talking with raginasian238 just now about this, so blame her for encouraging me to post here. However, my RBT: does the craft beer industry owe its success, at least partially, to resellers, traders, shitlords, etc.? Let's say, for example, we were all forced to only buy beer for personal consumption, how much Huna or BCS or TreeHouse or whatever hyped beer / brewery you want would you actually buy? The average craft beer drinker would likely be buying a lot less, IMO.

The resellers or traders have created this odd love of waiting in lines for rare beers because that's the only way to get most of them now without trading or buying at an inflated cost. By creating this line requirement, they're essentially creating a product scarcity and FOMO, which then creates more lines. If they all went away, or if there was no such thing as "secondary," would breweries be selling as much product or for that matter, even making as much product as they are now? My guess is no.

That being the case, I'm sure most brewers have a love / hate relationship with the lines because they know they're going to sell a lot of beer, but they also have to deal with the general public and the complaints from those who missed out. If there was no such thing as lines, the brewers would likely be selling less beer, or maybe have to branch out to distribution to sell the same amount, which would result in less profit for the brewery itself in both instances.

I have no doubt breweries hate seeing their beer on the secondary market, especially for inflated prices, but it's also creating a demand for them since clearly they are either pricing it too low, or they're not making enough to satisfy the demand. Raise prices and they may not sell as quickly, taking up space or going bad, but they collect more profit on what's sold. Increase production and your product doesn't sell as well, taking up cellar space or going bad, but it's also not being sold on secondary. It kind of seems, in some ways, the secondary market is actually good for craft beer / breweries.

Thoughts? Disagreements? So much INRAT?

 

[RyanG1]

Part of the business.

 

[tikk]

First time poster, please be gentle. Also, in before INRAT.

I was talking with raginasian238 just now about this, so blame her for encouraging me to post here. However, my RBT: does the craft beer industry owe its success, at least partially, to resellers, traders, shitlords, etc.? Let's say, for example, we were all forced to only buy beer for personal consumption, how much Huna or BCS or TreeHouse or whatever hyped beer / brewery you want would you actually buy? The average craft beer drinker would likely be buying a lot less, IMO.

The resellers or traders have created this odd love of waiting in lines for rare beers because that's the only way to get most of them now without trading or buying at an inflated cost. By creating this line requirement, they're essentially creating a product scarcity and FOMO, which then creates more lines. If they all went away, or if there was no such thing as "secondary," would breweries be selling as much product or for that matter, even making as much product as they are now? My guess is no.

That being the case, I'm sure most brewers have a love / hate relationship with the lines because they know they're going to sell a lot of beer, but they also have to deal with the general public and the complaints from those who missed out. If there was no such thing as lines, the brewers would likely be selling less beer, or maybe have to branch out to distribution to sell the same amount, which would result in less profit for the brewery itself in both instances.

I have no doubt breweries hate seeing their beer on the secondary market, especially for inflated prices, but it's also creating a demand for them since clearly they are either pricing it too low, or they're not making enough to satisfy the demand. Raise prices and they may not sell as quickly, taking up space or going bad, but they collect more profit on what's sold. Increase production and your product doesn't sell as well, taking up cellar space or going bad, but it's also not being sold on secondary. It kind of seems, in some ways, the secondary market is actually good for craft beer / breweries.

Thoughts? Disagreements? So much INRAT?

 

[user 312341]

First time poster, please be gentle. Also, in before INRAT.

I was talking with raginasian238 just now about this, so blame her for encouraging me to post here. However, my RBT: does the craft beer industry owe its success, at least partially, to resellers, traders, shitlords, etc.? Let's say, for example, we were all forced to only buy beer for personal consumption, how much Huna or BCS or TreeHouse or whatever hyped beer / brewery you want would you actually buy? The average craft beer drinker would likely be buying a lot less, IMO.

The resellers or traders have created this odd love of waiting in lines for rare beers because that's the only way to get most of them now without trading or buying at an inflated cost. By creating this line requirement, they're essentially creating a product scarcity and FOMO, which then creates more lines. If they all went away, or if there was no such thing as "secondary," would breweries be selling as much product or for that matter, even making as much product as they are now? My guess is no.

That being the case, I'm sure most brewers have a love / hate relationship with the lines because they know they're going to sell a lot of beer, but they also have to deal with the general public and the complaints from those who missed out. If there was no such thing as lines, the brewers would likely be selling less beer, or maybe have to branch out to distribution to sell the same amount, which would result in less profit for the brewery itself in both instances.

I have no doubt breweries hate seeing their beer on the secondary market, especially for inflated prices, but it's also creating a demand for them since clearly they are either pricing it too low, or they're not making enough to satisfy the demand. Raise prices and they may not sell as quickly, taking up space or going bad, but they collect more profit on what's sold. Increase production and your product doesn't sell as well, taking up cellar space or going bad, but it's also not being sold on secondary. It kind of seems, in some ways, the secondary market is actually good for craft beer / breweries.

Thoughts? Disagreements? So much INRAT?

I don't know this guy. I don't know what he's talking about.





(I already told you what I think)

 

[wuntrikpony]

does the craft beer industry owe its success, at least partially, to resellers, traders, shitlords, etc.?

no.

 

[WhalezB4Rarez]

I don't know how much a brewery owes to the people you described but I have seen it where beer will sit on store shelves when it used to be a hot commodity. That may also be a thing of the people who go to the store to buy beer either 1) don't know of it's popularity or B) doofuses think that beer on the shelf is not as good as beer bought at the brewery or 3) the brewery was wrong about how popular their beer was outside their walls.

 

[jivex5k1]

First time poster, please be gentle. Also, in before INRAT.

I was talking with raginasian238 just now about this, so blame her for encouraging me to post here. However, my RBT: does the craft beer industry owe its success, at least partially, to resellers, traders, shitlords, etc.? Let's say, for example, we were all forced to only buy beer for personal consumption, how much Huna or BCS or TreeHouse or whatever hyped beer / brewery you want would you actually buy? The average craft beer drinker would likely be buying a lot less, IMO.

The resellers or traders have created this odd love of waiting in lines for rare beers because that's the only way to get most of them now without trading or buying at an inflated cost. By creating this line requirement, they're essentially creating a product scarcity and FOMO, which then creates more lines. If they all went away, or if there was no such thing as "secondary," would breweries be selling as much product or for that matter, even making as much product as they are now? My guess is no.

That being the case, I'm sure most brewers have a love / hate relationship with the lines because they know they're going to sell a lot of beer, but they also have to deal with the general public and the complaints from those who missed out. If there was no such thing as lines, the brewers would likely be selling less beer, or maybe have to branch out to distribution to sell the same amount, which would result in less profit for the brewery itself in both instances.

I have no doubt breweries hate seeing their beer on the secondary market, especially for inflated prices, but it's also creating a demand for them since clearly they are either pricing it too low, or they're not making enough to satisfy the demand. Raise prices and they may not sell as quickly, taking up space or going bad, but they collect more profit on what's sold. Increase production and your product doesn't sell as well, taking up cellar space or going bad, but it's also not being sold on secondary. It kind of seems, in some ways, the secondary market is actually good for craft beer / breweries.

Thoughts? Disagreements? So much INRAT?

Shaun Hill is easily the best brewer in the world. There's honestly no one else remotely in his class, in my estimation. These beers are so much better than anything else I've had, in their styles, and this is true across so many different types of beer. It's just unbelievable the degree to which I enjoy these beers more than other representations of the same style. I don't say this lightly either. It would be convenient if I didn't need to drive a thousand miles for my favorite beers, but that's just the reality of the situation.

 

[trickytunadicky]

First time poster, please be gentle. Also, in before INRAT.

I was talking with raginasian238 just now about this, so blame her for encouraging me to post here. However, my RBT: does the craft beer industry owe its success, at least partially, to resellers, traders, shitlords, etc.? Let's say, for example, we were all forced to only buy beer for personal consumption, how much Huna or BCS or TreeHouse or whatever hyped beer / brewery you want would you actually buy? The average craft beer drinker would likely be buying a lot less, IMO.

The resellers or traders have created this odd love of waiting in lines for rare beers because that's the only way to get most of them now without trading or buying at an inflated cost. By creating this line requirement, they're essentially creating a product scarcity and FOMO, which then creates more lines. If they all went away, or if there was no such thing as "secondary," would breweries be selling as much product or for that matter, even making as much product as they are now? My guess is no.

That being the case, I'm sure most brewers have a love / hate relationship with the lines because they know they're going to sell a lot of beer, but they also have to deal with the general public and the complaints from those who missed out. If there was no such thing as lines, the brewers would likely be selling less beer, or maybe have to branch out to distribution to sell the same amount, which would result in less profit for the brewery itself in both instances.

I have no doubt breweries hate seeing their beer on the secondary market, especially for inflated prices, but it's also creating a demand for them since clearly they are either pricing it too low, or they're not making enough to satisfy the demand. Raise prices and they may not sell as quickly, taking up space or going bad, but they collect more profit on what's sold. Increase production and your product doesn't sell as well, taking up cellar space or going bad, but it's also not being sold on secondary. It kind of seems, in some ways, the secondary market is actually good for craft beer / breweries.

Thoughts? Disagreements? So much INRAT?

Depends on the brewery. Florrnoor out and stated how popular Wooden Hell was on the secondary market. Then I can think of many places that mess with their supply by holding bottles back or spreading distribution or splitting a batch into 10 different variants to make it more rare, so while those places may not saaayy that the trading and secondary markets drive these choices..... tickers gotta tick or something more palatable. Whatever sells more units. It’s Econ101.

 

[Lutter]

First time poster, please be gentle. Also, in before INRAT.

I was talking with raginasian238 just now about this, so blame her for encouraging me to post here. However, my RBT: does the craft beer industry owe its success, at least partially, to resellers, traders, shitlords, etc.? Let's say, for example, we were all forced to only buy beer for personal consumption, how much Huna or BCS or TreeHouse or whatever hyped beer / brewery you want would you actually buy? The average craft beer drinker would likely be buying a lot less, IMO.

The resellers or traders have created this odd love of waiting in lines for rare beers because that's the only way to get most of them now without trading or buying at an inflated cost. By creating this line requirement, they're essentially creating a product scarcity and FOMO, which then creates more lines. If they all went away, or if there was no such thing as "secondary," would breweries be selling as much product or for that matter, even making as much product as they are now? My guess is no.

That being the case, I'm sure most brewers have a love / hate relationship with the lines because they know they're going to sell a lot of beer, but they also have to deal with the general public and the complaints from those who missed out. If there was no such thing as lines, the brewers would likely be selling less beer, or maybe have to branch out to distribution to sell the same amount, which would result in less profit for the brewery itself in both instances.

I have no doubt breweries hate seeing their beer on the secondary market, especially for inflated prices, but it's also creating a demand for them since clearly they are either pricing it too low, or they're not making enough to satisfy the demand. Raise prices and they may not sell as quickly, taking up space or going bad, but they collect more profit on what's sold. Increase production and your product doesn't sell as well, taking up cellar space or going bad, but it's also not being sold on secondary. It kind of seems, in some ways, the secondary market is actually good for craft beer / breweries.

Thoughts? Disagreements? So much INRAT?

Does the music industry owe its' success to scalpers?

 

[rrryanc]

First time poster, please be gentle. Also, in before INRAT.

I was talking with raginasian238 just now about this, so blame her for encouraging me to post here. However, my RBT: does the craft beer industry owe its success, at least partially, to resellers, traders, shitlords, etc.? Let's say, for example, we were all forced to only buy beer for personal consumption, how much Huna or BCS or TreeHouse or whatever hyped beer / brewery you want would you actually buy? The average craft beer drinker would likely be buying a lot less, IMO.

The resellers or traders have created this odd love of waiting in lines for rare beers because that's the only way to get most of them now without trading or buying at an inflated cost. By creating this line requirement, they're essentially creating a product scarcity and FOMO, which then creates more lines. If they all went away, or if there was no such thing as "secondary," would breweries be selling as much product or for that matter, even making as much product as they are now? My guess is no.

That being the case, I'm sure most brewers have a love / hate relationship with the lines because they know they're going to sell a lot of beer, but they also have to deal with the general public and the complaints from those who missed out. If there was no such thing as lines, the brewers would likely be selling less beer, or maybe have to branch out to distribution to sell the same amount, which would result in less profit for the brewery itself in both instances.

I have no doubt breweries hate seeing their beer on the secondary market, especially for inflated prices, but it's also creating a demand for them since clearly they are either pricing it too low, or they're not making enough to satisfy the demand. Raise prices and they may not sell as quickly, taking up space or going bad, but they collect more profit on what's sold. Increase production and your product doesn't sell as well, taking up cellar space or going bad, but it's also not being sold on secondary. It kind of seems, in some ways, the secondary market is actually good for craft beer / breweries.

Thoughts? Disagreements? So much INRAT?

This is clearly brewery dependent I think, no? The craft industry as a whole doesn't owe the success to the secondary market (trading included), that was just the populace wanting more variety. Sierra Nevada, Sam Adams and New Belgium didn't become popular because of their rare beers.

Now places like Hill Farmstead, Monkish, and the other hyped ones I don't pay enough attention to even know their names? Sure, they've clearly benefited from a cheap and prestigious distribution channel.

 

[jvanaus]

Does the music industry owe its' success to scalpers?

Not necessarily, but potentially. I think it all has to do with how successful the musical act is. Certainly Madonna or Pearl Jam or any other superstar group doesn't need scalpers buying out every ticket so they can resell, but that's not the same thing as what I'm saying.

If a smaller band became very successful overnight, and the scalpers took notice, all of a sudden their tours are selling out every night instead of maybe the year before they only sold half their tickets. Then, after the success of their freshly sold out tour, they can book larger venues which would then still sell out instantly because of the scalpers.

It's always going to be a supply and demand scenario. If there's enough supply, there's no benefit in scalpers buying up every ticket because they won't resell well. If the band isn't popular, they won't sell the required number of tickets and the next tour will be in smaller venues.

In a way, like rrryanc said, it's the smaller places that are hyped and pumping out limited quantities that are benefiting from the lines. Nobody is buying the big craft brands to trade, sell, or give away to friends - at least not anymore. It's all about popularity or hype vs perceived scarcity and that's what's driving the lines, and therefore the secondary prices.

 

[quirk6]

First time poster, please be gentle. Also, in before INRAT.

I was talking with raginasian238 just now about this, so blame her for encouraging me to post here. However, my RBT: does the craft beer industry owe its success, at least partially, to resellers, traders, shitlords, etc.? Let's say, for example, we were all forced to only buy beer for personal consumption, how much Huna or BCS or TreeHouse or whatever hyped beer / brewery you want would you actually buy? The average craft beer drinker would likely be buying a lot less, IMO.

The resellers or traders have created this odd love of waiting in lines for rare beers because that's the only way to get most of them now without trading or buying at an inflated cost. By creating this line requirement, they're essentially creating a product scarcity and FOMO, which then creates more lines. If they all went away, or if there was no such thing as "secondary," would breweries be selling as much product or for that matter, even making as much product as they are now? My guess is no.

That being the case, I'm sure most brewers have a love / hate relationship with the lines because they know they're going to sell a lot of beer, but they also have to deal with the general public and the complaints from those who missed out. If there was no such thing as lines, the brewers would likely be selling less beer, or maybe have to branch out to distribution to sell the same amount, which would result in less profit for the brewery itself in both instances.

I have no doubt breweries hate seeing their beer on the secondary market, especially for inflated prices, but it's also creating a demand for them since clearly they are either pricing it too low, or they're not making enough to satisfy the demand. Raise prices and they may not sell as quickly, taking up space or going bad, but they collect more profit on what's sold. Increase production and your product doesn't sell as well, taking up cellar space or going bad, but it's also not being sold on secondary. It kind of seems, in some ways, the secondary market is actually good for craft beer / breweries.

Thoughts? Disagreements? So much INRAT?

I'd go to Treehouse more often if it weren't for the ******* lines, but I'd likely buy less each time.

 

[trickytunadicky]

I had a membership for a place.... a paid membership so I didn’t have to do woth secondary ******** and lines.... that would do member presale windows of 1-2 hours before the public sale and then a high limit, 2-4 cases, so that the member allocation would sell out lightning fast, then the public window would open and that would also sell out lightning fast. Needless to say i didn’t renew said membership. While they didn’t say that they cater to flippers.... I have a rather large cellar and I am not buying 4 cases of anything. Sure makes it look super limited when it sells out in 10 minutes, though.

 

[jvanaus]

I had a membership for a place.... a paid membership so I didn’t have to do woth secondary ******** and lines.... that would do member presale windows of 1-2 hours before the public sale and then a high limit, 2-4 cases, so that the member allocation would sell out lightning fast, then the public window would open and that would also sell out lightning fast. Needless to say i didn’t renew said membership. While they didn’t say that they cater to flippers.... I have a rather large cellar and I am not buying 4 cases of anything. Sure makes it look super limited when it sells out in 10 minutes, though.

I think I know what membership you're talking about and I am always surprised when I hear how quickly bottles like that sell so fast. I would say they aren't expensive enough if they're selling so fast, but at their current levels, I'm already priced out. Any higher and I'd have sticker shock.

 

[primebeer]

This is clearly brewery dependent I think, no? The craft industry as a whole doesn't owe the success to the secondary market (trading included), that was just the populace wanting more variety. Sierra Nevada, Sam Adams and New Belgium didn't become popular because of their rare beers.

Now places like Hill Farmstead, Monkish, and the other hyped ones I don't pay enough attention to even know their names? Sure, they've clearly benefited from a cheap and prestigious distribution channel.

This. The breweries you're thinking about make up <1% of the craft beer market if I had to guess. No amount of lines for beer would equal anything close to the production volume of any of the top 10 or 25 or whatever largest craft brands in the US.

 

[furley]

My first thought was “There’s no ******* way people drink that much BrewDog.”

read on reddit a week or so ago, some Scottish feller saying that Brewdog is ubiquitous there. can't walk out the door without your umbrella knocking over a stack of cases.

 

[furley]

As for food, I pretty much just eat as many tacos as possible (AMTAP) while in Phoenix and it works out nicely. Obviously I enjoy everything AZW brews, but it's very hard to find their beer around the city. Was extremely underwhelmed by OHSO. Wren House is the only other real game in town, and I think even they themselves would benefit from some friendly competition (and collaboration!) in the local scene. SunUp was nice, and I did enjoy their White Russian stout (and impressive line-up of Superstition meads for onsite pours), but that's not necessarily a difficult beer to make delicious.

All of that being said, the scene there is hurting for a serious high-level operation to raise the local bar for quality. Then again, AZW is building a new, bigger facility that's actually in downtown Phoenix, so that may just take care of it right there.

Four Peaks in Tempe still open?

 

[drgarage1]

read on reddit a week or so ago, some Scottish feller saying that Brewdog is ubiquitous there. can't walk out the door without your umbrella knocking over a stack of cases.

 

[furley]

Part of the business.

well, that's an A+ on the final exam of college quality gif

 

[furley]

omg, you have no idea how many times i've been called Mark or Mike in my life

MatthewPlus knows

 

[tikk]

PBR came out with a jacket that holds 12 16 oz cans. I want one.
http://www.foodandwine.com/news/pbr-beer-jacket

Not a great idea for skiing though, if you wipe out it's going to hurt a lot.

 

[Beerontwowheels]

PBR came out with a jacket that holds 12 16 oz cans. I want one.
http://www.foodandwine.com/news/pbr-beer-jacket

Not a great idea for skiing though, if you wipe out it's going to hurt a lot.

Can't wait for the $1250 Yeti version.