Random Beer Thoughts

[boogercrack]

A page into the diacetyl conversation and I still have no idea what beer you guys are talking about...

Glad I'm not alone

 

[regularjohn]

Whats diacetyl? do you take it when you have the runs?

 

[Lutter]

Whats diacetyl? do you take it when you have the runs?

It's what they put on popcorn at the movies.

 

[PepeSylvia1]

It's what they put on popcorn at the movies.

No that is Lutter, I mean Butter.

 

[jivex5k1]

No that is Lutter, I mean Butter.

Wow

 

[PepeSylvia1]

Dad jokes

 

[Lutter]

No that is Lutter, I mean Butter.

Yeah, cause I've never heard that one before....

 

[furley]

Happens more with clean beer -- wild beer, provided it has enough viable brett, will clean up any diacetyl.

No, diacetyl can't be controlled in that way from what I understand. It doesn't present itself uniformly across a batch of beer where it's present.

errrr

 

[JulianB1]

errrr

Care to elaborate? I was told once - and the person could have been wrong but they were knowledgeable enough about brewing in general that I deferred to them - that diacetyl can't be deliberately used as a "butter flavoring" because it doesn't present itself consistently from bottle to bottle.

 

[furley]

Care to elaborate? I was told once - and the person could have been wrong but they were knowledgeable enough about brewing in general that I deferred to them - that diacetyl can't be deliberately used as a "butter flavoring" because it doesn't present itself consistently from bottle to bottle.

no elaboration. one person was adamant about one side and another was adamant about the other.

i'm curious which is correct.

 

[JulianB1]

no elaboration. one person was adamant about one side and another was adamant about the other.

i'm curious which is correct.

I think we're making two different points. I didn't mean that diacetyl can't be "controlled" in the brewing process, but rather in packaging. And brett will metabolize diacetyl compounds, that I totally agree on. I meant more if you wanted to do something like a butterscotch brown ale (or whatever, but something where you wanted that buttery flavor) as a clean beer. You can't (from what I understand) do it by intentionally producing diacetyl, because when you package it the diacetyl doesn't necessarily distribute uniformly (across the bottles etc.).

Clean beer (including things like kettle sours etc., or "clean" beers that have an unintentional bacterial contamination) is definitely where you're more likely to get prominent diacetyl that never clears up. I've certainly made some homebrew wild ales that had a lot of diacetyl character at some stage (for whatever reason, it shows up almost every time I use peaches - I've almost given up on them at this point) but eventually it cleaned up due to the brett.

 

[Shakedwnst]

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I can get singles at the ****** distributor down the street for some reason. If you need bottles, let me know

 

[rjose]

Whats diacetyl? do you take it when you have the runs?

 

[furley]

I think we're making two different points. I didn't mean that diacetyl can't be "controlled" in the brewing process, but rather in packaging. And brett will metabolize diacetyl compounds, that I totally agree on. I meant more if you wanted to do something like a butterscotch brown ale (or whatever, but something where you wanted that buttery flavor) as a clean beer. You can't (from what I understand) do it by intentionally producing diacetyl, because when you package it the diacetyl doesn't necessarily distribute uniformly (across the bottles etc.).

Clean beer (including things like kettle sours etc., or "clean" beers that have an unintentional bacterial contamination) is definitely where you're more likely to get prominent diacetyl that never clears up. I've certainly made some homebrew wild ales that had a lot of diacetyl character at some stage (for whatever reason, it shows up almost every time I use peaches - I've almost given up on them at this point) but eventually it cleaned up due to the brett.

:goodposting:

 

[tosh1]

I say this a lot, but new batch is out, this is the greatest beer brewed ever

Just, ****.

 

[jivex5k1]

I say this a lot, but new batch is out, this is the greatest beer brewed ever

Just, ****.

I like that opener.

 

[Beerontwowheels]

I like that Yopener.

Ftfy

 

[user 305778]

iong516 Coming back to that Black Note in Philly for $12 conversation. Curious where you saw that. I bought some at Stone's in Fairmount on Saturday and it was $30 for a 4-pack. Or I could have spent $160 for a case. So $12 / bottle is an insane markup when a case puts it at $6.66. Nearly a 100% markup.

 

[iong516]

iong516 Coming back to that Black Note in Philly for $12 conversation. Curious where you saw that. I bought some at Stone's in Fairmount on Saturday and it was $30 for a 4-pack. Or I could have spent $160 for a case. So $12 / bottle is an insane markup when a case puts it at $6.66. Nearly a 100% markup.

I think it was 2016 Black Note but yeah that's a dumb price. It's some shop on like 20th and Green in Fairmount

 

[2plums4one]

Man, Fonta Makes some really great wild ales, and awesome kombucha, but I had to get out of that anniversary "party" after the numbers on the wristbands stopped mattering (they even told everyone that right around 15 minutes after they started selling and a lot of folks made the trip early in the week to pick them up because of it), taking forever for them to sell bottles, and then having the wait for a draft be about 25-40 minutes. I'm sure it will be better when they open the new space, but that was not a good "party" whatsoever. I think I'll stick to going there when they are not busy. Honestly the only redeeming factor of my experience was drinking sur lie at the brewery and the scuppernong kombucha the nigh before. The banana stout was horrible. Not a horrible time as I got to see some good friends but they need to do something about them not being able to push product in a timely fashion at these kinds of things...and stick to your guns when you say you are selling crowlers of stouts. I have a feeling one or all of them are infected.

 

[user 305778]

I think it was 2016 Black Note but yeah that's a dumb price. It's some shop on like 20th and Green in Fairmount

Olde Philly Ale House! Taxes are included in her prices at least, but yeah they are often high.

 

[Ziggy]

I say this a lot, but new batch is out, this is the greatest beer brewed ever

Just, ****.

Is is shelf turd status? I'll look out for it if so.

 

[drgarage1]

Man, Fonta Makes some really great wild ales, and awesome kombucha, but I had to get out of that anniversary "party" after the numbers on the wristbands stopped mattering (they even told everyone that right around 15 minutes after they started selling and a lot of folks made the trip early in the week to pick them up because of it), taking forever for them to sell bottles, and then having the wait for a draft be about 25-40 minutes. I'm sure it will be better when they open the new space, but that was not a good "party" whatsoever. I think I'll stick to going there when they are not busy. Honestly the only redeeming factor of my experience was drinking sur lie at the brewery and the scuppernong kombucha the nigh before. The banana stout was horrible. Not a horrible time as I got to see some good friends but they need to do something about them not being able to push product in a timely fashion at these kinds of things...and stick to your guns when you say you are selling crowlers of stouts. I have a feeling one or all of them are infected.

wait, a banana stout was bad? how can this be?

 

[2plums4one]

wait, a banana stout was bad? how can this be?

haha, I know I know. Waiting to see if ABINBEV can pull it off.

 

[JulianB1]

haha, I know I know. Waiting to see if ABINBEV can pull it off.

I saw positive reviews of both Prop and Northwoods (bluberry-marzipan deal) from FoBAB. And these were people whose tastes in beer are similar to mine, not just shitlords trying to build up hype for their razzles and flips.

 

[Gonzoillini1]

I enjoyed both Proprietors and Northwoods at FOBAB, but looking forward to trying them again this weekend at Prop Day on a clean palate.

Newest batch of Cable Car had the longest line (aside from the BA Karma from More that won Best in Show), and really wasn't anywhere near as good as older bottles I've had (the 2009 in 2013 or so was just about perfect).

 

[ncaudle]

sour stout - has there ever been a good one? every time I try one the acidity and the roast clashes like a bad car crash...
but breweries keep popping them out so they obviously sell

 

[drgarage1]

sour stout - has there ever been a good one? every time I try one the acidity and the roast clashes like a bad car crash...
but breweries keep popping them out so they obviously sell

First batch of Tart of Darkness was incredible.

 

[JCastle1]

sour stout - has there ever been a good one? every time I try one the acidity and the roast clashes like a bad car crash...
but breweries keep popping them out so they obviously sell

I liked Funk Metal and I usually don't care for the style.

 

[ncaudle]

First batch of Tart of Darkness was incredible.

eh, didn't care for that one either. guess there are just some beers I will never like.