Odell 90 Shilling Clone

[atimmerman88]

I'm not seeing a 'pale' option under the LME or DME sections on their Brew Builder.

Here at the LME Options

Briess Bavarian Wheat Liquid Extract - Exact Amount
Briess Golden Light Liquid Extract - Exact Amount
Briess Munich Liquid Extract - Exact Amount
Briess Pilsen Extra Light Liquid Extract - Exact Amount
Briess Sparkling Amber Liquid Extract - Exact Amount
Briess Traditional Dark Liquid Extract - Exact Amount
Briess White Sorghum Syrup

DME Options:

Briess Bavarian Wheat Dry Extract
Briess Golden Light Dry Extract
Briess Pilsen (Extra) Light Dry Extract
Briess Sparkling Amber Dry Extract
Briess Traditional Dark Dry Extract

 

[bigolbigbelly]

Sorry about that. Use either the Golden Light or the Pilsen extract. I would lean toward the Golden.

 

[atimmerman88]

No worries...

Learning Moment: what would be your reasoning behind Golden vs Pilsen ?

 

[bigolbigbelly]

The link in the beginning of this thread shows a break down of the recipe that was sent to a home-brewer from the O'Dell's brewer:
90 Schilling has about 27 IBU's and starts at 1.054, w/malt % as follows:
75% Pale ale malt
9% Munich malt
7% light crystal malt
5% wheat malt
3% caramalt
1% choc malt

The Golden extract is closer to pale ale malt described. Golden Extract is made of Base Malt (probably two-row), Carapils® Malt, Water
The pilsner extract is pilsner malt, which is lighter and used mostly in lagers.

 

[bigolbigbelly]

BTW, if you want to check out the what the Briess extracts are made of see their website:
http://www.brewingwithbriess.com/Products/Extracts.htm

 

[atimmerman88]

That makes sense, thanks for the information...I'll put it into the memory banks!

 

[bigolbigbelly]

A few other notes, using the "Brew Builder" on BMW website and the style of 90 Shilling.
Change the "Recipe Parameters" to American Pale Ale.

Some of the discussion in the beginning of this thread starts to talk about the actual style of O'Dell's 90 Shilling. It is not a Scottish style ale. It is an American brewery's interpretation of a Scottish style ale. That is why I went with US-05 yeast instead of a Scottish yeast.

There is also some discussion above about late hop additions. To my tastes, O' Dell's 90 Shilling does have some hop flavor in the finish. So I left the late hop additions and went with American hop varieties. This is all my opinion but half the fun of trying to clone a recipe is making multiple batches and fine tuning things like this to your tastes.

 

[atimmerman88]

A few other notes, using the "Brew Builder" on BMW website and the style of 90 Shilling.
Change the "Recipe Parameters" to American Pale Ale.

Some of the discussion in the beginning of this thread starts to talk about the actual style of O'Dell's 90 Shilling. It is not a Scottish style ale. It is an American brewery's interpretation of a Scottish style ale. That is why I went with US-05 yeast instead of a Scottish yeast.

There is also some discussion above about late hop additions. To my tastes, O' Dell's 90 Shilling does have some hop flavor in the finish. So I left the late hop additions and went with American hop varieties. This is all my opinion but half the fun of trying to clone a recipe is making multiple batches and fine tuning things like this to your tastes.

Right so this beer falls into a couple categories flavor profile wise. So far I've had good luck with -05, would you expect this to be in primary for 3 weeks or so ?

 

[kruserm]

I don’t do any extract brews but I used beersmith and converted the recipe to extract and this is what it gave me. When I brewed the all grain recipe this was very, very close taste wise (so close several tasters called it cloned) and just a shade off in color. I was really happy with the way it turned out. I hope this helps.

Ingredients
Amt Name
2.20 tbsp PH 5.2 Stabilizer (Mash 60.0 mins)
1 lbs 2.7 oz Cara-Pils/Dextrine (2.0 SRM)
12.0 oz Caramel Malt - 40L (Cargill) (40.0 SRM)
2.0 oz Chocolate Malt (350.0 SRM)
15 lbs 2.1 oz Pale Liquid Extract (8.0 SRM)
12.7 oz Amber Liquid Extract (12.5 SRM)
11.5 oz Wheat Liquid Extract (8.0 SRM)
1.55 oz Northern Brewer [8.90 %] - Boil 60.0 min
1.00 qt Super Moss Mix (Boil 52.0 mins)
1.00 Items Chiller (Boil 25.0 mins)
0.25 tsp Super Moss (Boil 20.0 mins)
0.38 oz Cascade [5.40 %] - Boil 10.0 min
0.38 oz Northern Brewer [8.90 %] - Boil 10.0 min
0.38 oz Cascade [5.40 %] - Boil 5.0 min
0.38 oz Northern Brewer [8.90 %] - Boil 5.0 min
0.50 oz Cascade [5.40 %] - Boil 0.0 min
0.50 oz Northern Brewer [8.90 %] - Boil 0.0 min
1.0 pkg Kolsch Yeast (Wyeast Labs #2565) [125.00 ml]
0.50 tsp Gelatin (Primary 12.0 days)
1.10 tsp Yeast Nutrient (Primary 3.0 days)

 

[atimmerman88]

Holy cow....15lbs pales extract?!?!?

 

[kruserm]

haha, sorry I forgot to mention that the conversion is for a 10 gallon batch.

 

[atimmerman88]

Ah that makes sense! So can I assume that all additions are 1/2 for a 5 gal ?

 

[kruserm]

Yes, you would 1/2 everything for a 5 gallon batch.

 

[atimmerman88]

So you had pretty good luck with this recipe ?

Here is what I came up with taking 1/2 of your recipe:

 

[kruserm]

The all grain version turned out great and is in my top 10 for sure. I did have to let the yeast settle for a while, that kolsch yeast would not flocculate out. I have NOT brewed the extract version so I cant tell you if it will turn out the same. I use beersmith and took the original recipe and converted it to an extract version.

If you end up brewing this let us know how it turned out.

 

[befus]

Wait. It's a "90 Shilling" ale and it's not a Scottish Ale?

Two things if this is true. First, I call BS on calling it a 90 Shilling Ale. And second, my advice is not so useful. But if this was a Scottish Ale I would suggest a boil down of the first gallon of runnings down to half or even a quarter of the original volume. This will contribute the very powerful caramelly malt character of the typical Scottish Ale.

Had a bottle last night, and yes it it absolutely not a 90/- anything. Very tasty, but completely misnamed. I also detect some hop flavor in this brew. I have to admit the name annoys me. Why not make a IPA and call it O'dufus' Brown Ale? How can you interpret a style by brewing a completely different style? Peyote? Just doesn't sit with me. I digress, hope your beer is great.

 

[hoppenheimer]

The all grain version turned out great and is in my top 10 for sure. I did have to let the yeast settle for a while, that kolsch yeast would not flocculate out. I have NOT brewed the extract version so I cant tell you if it will turn out the same. I use beersmith and took the original recipe and converted it to an extract version.

If you end up brewing this let us know how it turned out.

Whose all grain brew did you use?

 

[kruserm]

Whose all grain brew did you use?

Not sure if I understand your question, but if you are asking whose recipe did I use, I used my recipe which is listed a few posts back.

 

[saltymirv]

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