New England IPA "Northeast" style IPA

[BongoYodeler]

I think the use of t45 pellets benefit you more in dryhop than else where but for hopped lagers or ales I want to be clear, I will use it in whirlpool too.

Also it seems cryo(all t45) use is very personal, some love using advanced hop products and some not at all. Im in the middle. I like the intensity and lower polyphenol portion of the concentrated pellets but I absolutely love that t90 full flavored hop note.

This is not set in stone for me as I do still mess around with the rates of each but I’d say that my dryhops are 30-40% t45 pellets

Thanks, but perhaps my question wasn't clear, I apologize. You say you shoot for 2oz/gallon in your dry hop, So say for 5 gallons you're talking 10oz of dry hops. My question is are you treating the T45 hops the same as T90 hops? I've read that 1oz of T45 hops is equivalent to around 1.5oz of T90 hops. But I'm unsure if that applies strictly to hot side, or does it also apply cold side? IOW, are you dry hopping at a rate of 10oz/5gallons regardless of whether they're T45 or T90? Or do you adjust the hop weight down if using T45? Hopefully that question makes more sense?

 

[Dgallo]

Thanks, but perhaps my question wasn't clear, I apologize. You say you shoot for 2oz/gallon in your dry hop, So say for 5 gallons you're talking 10oz of dry hops. My question is are you treating the T45 hops the same as T90 hops? I've read that 1oz of T45 hops is equivalent to around 1.5oz of T90 hops. But I'm unsure if that applies strictly to hot side, or does it also apply cold side? IOW, are you dry hopping at a rate of 10oz/5gallons regardless of whether they're T45 or T90? Or do you adjust the hop weight down if using T45? Hopefully that question makes more sense?

Sorry. Now I gotcha. Yes I am using 2oz per gallon as a equivalence amount, counting LUPOMAX as 1.8 to 1 for t90 and cryo 2 to 1.

With that’s said I always use the current volume when calculating totals. So if I’m dryhoping in 5.75 gallons of beer, even though my finish volume will be 5 gallons, I’ll do 2 x 5.75 for 11.5 hops (I’d probably just do 12 oz at that point lol)

 

[BongoYodeler]

Sorry. Now I gotcha. Yes I am using 2oz per gallon as a equivalence amount, counting LUPOMAX as 1.8 to 1 for t90 and cryo 2 to 1.

With that’s said I always use the current volume when calculating totals. So if I’m dryhoping in 5.75 gallons of beer, even though my finish volume will be 5 gallons, I’ll do 2 x 5.75 for 11.5 hops (I’d probably just do 12 oz at that point lol)

Perfect, thanks!!

 

[MIWI]

I typically dry hop loose, but I have dry hopped in a bag at times. There is evidence that you will get less extraction using a hop sack, but it depends on many factors. In a small canister, the inner hops might be completely dry, but in a large bag there might not be much difference than adding the hops loose. Adding some weights might also keep the bag from just floating on the top.

As far as "the ability to remove dry hops", personally I have never removed dry hops. This is partially due to my equipment (I used to ferment in narrow necked glass carboys, now I generally dry hop loose in Fermonster fermenters). These days I worry enough about oxidation with hoppy beers, that I don't really see a way I could remove a bag of hops and also avoid getting air into my fermenter. I also don't really see the need to remove hops. I will typically dry hop once for 2 days, then cold crash for 1-2 days before kegging.

Some people on this thread have more sophisticated equipment or processes that may let them dump hops out of the bottom of a conical fermenter, or transfer the beer into a second purged vessel containing their dry hops.

@MIWI : I would say to try and keep it simple and find a process that works for you (while keeping the dangers of cold side oxidation in mind). If you want to use a sack, use a large one that gives the hops plenty of room to swell and move around (or use multiple hop sacks). I am not convinced there is a need to remove hops.

The recipe I used called for a 7 day first hop and a 4 day second hop. The author of the recipe stated not to leave the hops past the given duration due to the hops will start giving off grassy flavors which he wanted to stay away from. Not sure how they perform the process without O2 exposure. So I purged with CO2 during the addiction and removal. Some say it works others are not sure. We will see. Kegging on Thursday. Thanks for all the help.

 

[Dgallo]

The recipe I used called for a 7 day first hop and a 4 day second hop. The author of the recipe stated not to leave the hops past the given duration due to the hops will start giving off grassy flavors which he wanted to stay away from. Not sure how they perform the process without O2 exposure. So I purged with CO2 during the addiction and removal. Some say it works others are not sure. We will see. Kegging on Thursday. Thanks for all the help.

In the future, only get your NEIPA advice from this thread. You should NEVER remove hops bags During dryhoping and you should be dryhoping 4-5 days max

 

[Langerz]

Had my middle son’s graduation party and successfully kicked my first leg since starting to brew and was my NEIPA shown early. Only lasted 2 weeks in the keg and got rave reviews. A couple questions before I do the next one…

1) The flavor seemed to evolve during the whole two weeks. Started out a bit overly bitter with some bite which I think is fairly normal. Then just started getting better and better for about 5 days. Toward the end it changed a bit. Not in a bad way but less juicy and a little more piney. I assume this was oxygen since being my first time I did ok but not great on transfers etc and definitely had more exposure than I liked. The color stayed awesome though with plenty of hop flavor just evolving hop flavor so wanted to get opinions if it was oxygen or something else

2) Looking for a bit of advice on hops next shot. My original plan was to do the classics Citra/Galaxy/Mosaic for the second but I picked up a pound of Necatron recently and want to use that. I could just swap one of the Citra/Galaxy/Mosaic with Necatron. I also have plenty I7 and Simcoe around to throw in. Probably no wrong answer but curious thoughts on best hops with Necatron

Also thanks again for all the help in this thread despite you all talking me into spending a bunch on kegging equipment (I’m joking it was coming eventually anyway) I’m pretty thrilled with results of the first one.

 

[secretlevel]

Had my middle son’s graduation party and successfully kicked my first leg since starting to brew and was my NEIPA shown early. Only lasted 2 weeks in the keg and got rave reviews. A couple questions before I do the next one…

1) The flavor seemed to evolve during the whole two weeks. Started out a bit overly bitter with some bite which I think is fairly normal. Then just started getting better and better for about 5 days. Toward the end it changed a bit. Not in a bad way but less juicy and a little more piney. I assume this was oxygen since being my first time I did ok but not great on transfers etc and definitely had more exposure than I liked. The color stayed awesome though with plenty of hop flavor just evolving hop flavor so wanted to get opinions if it was oxygen or something else

2) Looking for a bit of advice on hops next shot. My original plan was to do the classics Citra/Galaxy/Mosaic for the second but I picked up a pound of Necatron recently and want to use that. I could just swap one of the Citra/Galaxy/Mosaic with Necatron. I also have plenty I7 and Simcoe around to throw in. Probably no wrong answer but curious thoughts on best hops with Necatron

Also thanks again for all the help in this thread despite you all talking me into spending a bunch on kegging equipment (I’m joking it was coming eventually anyway) I’m pretty thrilled with results of the first one.

That sounds like a blast! I'm in a vicious cycle with every NEIPA, that sounds pretty similar to your situation:
Day 1 off the hops: "Damn, I need to add more hops, this is muddled and kind of mediocre"
Day 7: "Ok, that's really changed, this is coming along nicely"
Day 14: "Wow! Definitely brewing this again!"

 

[Langerz]

That sounds like a blast! I'm in a vicious cycle with every NEIPA, that sounds pretty similar to your situation:
Day 1 off the hops: "Damn, I need to add more hops, this is muddled and kind of mediocre"
Day 7: "Ok, that's really changed, this is coming along nicely"
Day 14: "Wow! Definitely brewing this again!"

Well I will at least say the best news was my wife said “you are definitely brewing this one again” which helps with the money spent on equipment lol

 

[CyberFox]

I have a few questions about soft crashing to remove yeast:

1. Is it the temperature drop that matters for a soft crash (e.g. fermenting at 68 and soft crashing to 58 = 10 degree drop) or the specific temperature for a given yeast?

2. Can lager yeasts be soft crashed if fermented in the 60s or would their resilience to cold temperatures prevent that?

3. I know that soft crashing ale yeast in the upper 50s is the standard, but ale yeast can also be fermented at 60 degrees or lower. How would you soft crash an ale yeast fermented at 60 degrees?

Thanks in advance!

 

[aaronm13]

That sounds like a blast! I'm in a vicious cycle with every NEIPA, that sounds pretty similar to your situation:
Day 1 off the hops: "Damn, I need to add more hops, this is muddled and kind of mediocre"
Day 7: "Ok, that's really changed, this is coming along nicely"
Day 14: "Wow! Definitely brewing this again!"

Ha, at least I'm not the only one who goes through this thought process.

 

[MIWI]

In the future, only get your NEIPA advice from this thread. You should NEVER remove hops bags During dryhoping and you should be dryhoping 4-5 days max

Thanks.

 

[bailey mountain brewer]

I have a few questions about soft crashing to remove yeast:

1. Is it the temperature drop that matters for a soft crash (e.g. fermenting at 68 and soft crashing to 58 = 10 degree drop) or the specific temperature for a given yeast?

2. Can lager yeasts be soft crashed if fermented in the 60s or would their resilience to cold temperatures prevent that?

3. I know that soft crashing ale yeast in the upper 50s is the standard, but ale yeast can also be fermented at 60 degrees or lower. How would you soft crash an ale yeast fermented at 60 degrees?

Thanks in advance!

The yeast strain is more important.
I soft crash into the 40s for most. I can't say I've done it with lager yeast but yeah you would have to cold crash that for it to drop out.

 

[aaronm13]

Does anyone know when the 23 New Zealand hops usually go on sale? Tempted by the 22% off Yakima Valley have at the moment of some different types but would prefer to wait if they'll be out in a few weeks.

 

[anteater8]

I've got 4 oz of El Dorado and 4 oz of El Dorado Lupomax that I want to use in my next NEIPA. I love the watermelon candy sweetness from El Dorado, and I'm looking for 1-2 hops to pair it with as the other 8 oz. Here's what I've got, anyone have recommendations?

Amarillo (12 oz)
Citra (2 oz)
Columbus (4 oz)
HBC 586 Lupomax (2 oz)
Idaho 7 Lupomax (2 oz)
Mosaic (4 oz)
Nelson (1 oz)
Strata (8 oz)
Vic Secret (4 oz)

 

[Dgallo]

Does anyone know when the 23 New Zealand hops usually go on sale? Tempted by the 22% off Yakima Valley have at the moment of some different types but would prefer to wait if they'll be out in a few weeks.

You might be sooner but July/august.

 

[Frieds]

I've got 4 oz of El Dorado and 4 oz of El Dorado Lupomax that I want to use in my next NEIPA. I love the watermelon candy sweetness from El Dorado, and I'm looking for 1-2 hops to pair it with as the other 8 oz. Here's what I've got, anyone have recommendations?

Amarillo (12 oz)
Citra (2 oz)
Columbus (4 oz)
HBC 586 Lupomax (2 oz)
Idaho 7 Lupomax (2 oz)
Mosaic (4 oz)
Nelson (1 oz)
Strata (8 oz)
Vic Secret (4 oz)

It might be silly, but something I do when im trying to decide on what hop combos to use from my inventory is to just type different combinations into Untappd and see what ratings the beers with them generally have.

 

[beervoid]

It might be silly, but something I do when im trying to decide on what hop combos to use from my inventory is to just type different combinations into Untappd and see what ratings the beers with them generally have.

I did it a bit more extensive, made a list of top breweries and see which hops and hop combos where used in top rated beers.
You would never guess which hop was nr 1

 

[Frieds]

I did it a bit more extensive, made a list of top breweries and see which hops and hop combos where used in top rated beers.
You would never guess which hop was nr 1

Definitely Triple Fuggle Daydream

 

[beervoid]

Definitely Triple Fuggle Daydream

I was meaning which hop

 

[Shenanigans]

I was meaning which hop

Which one then?

 

[JTtilinfinity]

It might be silly, but something I do when im trying to decide on what hop combos to use from my inventory is to just type different combinations into Untappd and see what ratings the beers with them generally have.

That’s not a bad idea. How do you search by hops in Untappd?

 

[tracer bullet]

Something with Citra? Seems like everything has Citra. And funny enough I don't care for it that much.

 

[beervoid]

Which one then?

Citra!

 

[beervoid]

That’s not a bad idea. How do you search by hops in Untappd?

Not untapped I'd dig a bit further one the website of brewers, most specify their hops

 

[Frieds]

That’s not a bad idea. How do you search by hops in Untappd?

I just type the combos into the search bar see what comes up. Or alternatively, go through the beers of breweries that I love and see what they’ve put together.

 

[anteater8]

It might be silly, but something I do when im trying to decide on what hop combos to use from my inventory is to just type different combinations into Untappd and see what ratings the beers with them generally have.

That's exactly what I did! I found some 4.1's for El Dorado/Strata which was my original idea. That could be interesting because the two hops share very few descriptors. El Dorado: pineapple, pear, watermelon, stone fruit. Strata: strawberry, passion fruit, grapefruit, bubblegum, sage.

I do like the idea of going into a well respected brewery's untappd page and searching specific hops for ideas though, I'm going to see what inspiration I can get that way.

 

[JTtilinfinity]

Oh ok so Untappd doesn’t have some way to search by hops, you’re just looking for beers with the hops in the name?

 

[aaronm13]

You might be sooner but July/august.

It's a bit away so. Might stick in a small order to keep me going. The offer doesn't apply to Nectaron unfortunately.

 

[CyberFox]

Random question: Has anyone tried doing a 3 week primary (kegging at 21 days) with a NEIPA? Are there any drawbacks to this if soft crashing, dry hopping, and cold crashing just before kegging?

 

[Dgallo]

Random question: Has anyone tried doing a 3 week primary (kegging at 21 days) with a NEIPA? Are there any drawbacks to this if soft crashing, dry hopping, and cold crashing just before kegging?

As long as your good about o2 and you wait until the final days to dryhop, no issue