Dgallo
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I think I might have posted in the thread. Let me look. It was called “Flocking Juicy”
New England IPA "Northeast" style IPA
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Dgallo
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Here is the info the info. I also found the picture that @TheDudeLebowski took of it when he tried it.
Noob_Brewer
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Ha! thanks. you would think I would have remembered it since you sent me one as well! lol. It was great.
Noob_Brewer
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So I dry hopped today, my bru-1 that I had left over from an 8oz pack didn't smell fantastic, but el dorado and vic secret 2oz packs did. So I went with El Dorado, Vic Secret, and Citra LUPOMAX in a 2:1:1 ratio respectively. So hoping for a nice bright tropical fruit bomb favoring pineapple forward notes.
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A little while back there was some talk about the decrease in equilibriums quality, but despite all that the wife and I are taking a trip up there from central pa this weekend for our anniversary. Last year we went to Richmond and had a fantastic time, lots of good breweries there. Seems like there are a couple other breweries in the middletown ny area and we are definitely gonna swing over to tin barn probably on Saturday. I'll do my best to report back on my thoughts of the places we end up. In the meantime I have a neipa in the fermenter that I will be dryhopping next week. It will be citra, nectaron, and galaxy.
aaronm13
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I got a couple of Equilibrium about 2 weeks ago that were canned in May and to be honest I didn't notice a drop off and was looking for it. Still very distinctively Equilibrium.
Good to hear, I'm excited for the trip and I'm sure I won't be disappointed.
I mean to be completely honest I'm willing to bet even a less then great example from equilibrium is way better then some stuff from certain breweries around me. Sometimes I'll catch myself at a brewery with a neipa in my hand wanting to tell them that they're doing it wrong.
Dgallo
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I have that occurrence often. At this point there are very few breweries I feel make a better NEIPA than I make
To your main point, it’s not the Equilibrium is necessarily making bad beer, their beers aren’t nearly as good as they used to be prior to expanding. They also have had some issues with packaging and beers were oxidizing badly but I believe that’s fixed now.
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Correct, I worded it as their quality decreased, didn't mean it to come off like their beer was bad Haha. Suppose it seemed that way, I'm very excited for the trip, the place looks pretty awesome and we will be up there by 1pm tomorrow. Also the weather is looking excellent so that's a plus as well. I agree in saying that there are few breweries that make a neipa as good as mine.
Dgallo
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It’s a sweet spot. And I got what you were saying but since I knew I was someone who has commented on the drop in quality I wanted to make sure it didn’t sound like I thought they went from great to **** lol.
Idk which route your taking up, 17 maybe but if you get a chance to stop here, you won’t regret it Visit – Obercreek Brewing Company
Also be sure to check out Tin Barn. I believe they are super close to equilibrium
Tin barn is is a definitely stop, were coming up 81 in pa to 84 in ny .. I'll check out obercreek to see where it lies in our path. Thanks man, appreciate the info.
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Here is my most recent attempt kegged on Saturday.
I used a simple grain bill of
78.6% Golden Promise
10.7% Flaked Oats
10.7 % Flaked Wheat
Mashed at 152
.65oz Warrior @ 30 min
2.25 oz Strata whirlpool
1.75 Citra whirlpool @ 170f for 20 mins
4.5 oz Strata
4.5 oz Nelson
2.5 oz Sabro Lipomax dry hop post ferm
Fermented at 66f with lallemand verdant IPA
Nose is a slight passion fruit with tons of dank old school ipa minus the pine
Palate is a citrus with a very old school hop flavor. Not a lot tropical or bright fruit/hop flavor.
It’s good but might be slightly oxidized as the amount of hops used are not shining through as much as I’d like.
Any ideas for why it might not have turned out great?
I used a simple grain bill of
78.6% Golden Promise
10.7% Flaked Oats
10.7 % Flaked Wheat
Mashed at 152
.65oz Warrior @ 30 min
2.25 oz Strata whirlpool
1.75 Citra whirlpool @ 170f for 20 mins
4.5 oz Strata
4.5 oz Nelson
2.5 oz Sabro Lipomax dry hop post ferm
Fermented at 66f with lallemand verdant IPA
Nose is a slight passion fruit with tons of dank old school ipa minus the pine
Palate is a citrus with a very old school hop flavor. Not a lot tropical or bright fruit/hop flavor.
It’s good but might be slightly oxidized as the amount of hops used are not shining through as much as I’d like.
Any ideas for why it might not have turned out great?
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Dgallo
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Looks great. Give it another week or two and that’s when it will probably pop. There’s a chance that the strata was really earthy and pulled more wood from the Sabro, which would challenge that pop of hop brightness also. Warrior is high in cohumulone so it produces a more harsh bitterness and when used at 30, flavor character will still remain, which could have tilted old school
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Thanks. I’m very happy with the way it looks and smells. It’s just the taste isn’t quite there.
I figured it might just need more time. What would you suggest as a bittering hop instead of warrior?
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Magnum or horizon are clean. Columbus is high in cohumulone as well but the profile leans better for the style. But honestly alot of folks are using no bittering hops or using a very small 60 min addition to 20 ibus
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I usually do a 30 min boil on the few neipas I’ve done so the 30 min addition is the bittering addition. I usually aim for 20-30 ibus of bittering addition.
In your opinion, would you recommend replacing the 30 min with magnum or switching to 60 min or just ditching the bittering all together?
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I might ditch it and use a oz of something like Simcoe, strata, or Citra at 20 or 15 and get 1/2 to similar ibus but also gain that character. After that I’d chuck the remaining hotside hops in a 170 whirlpool.
All that said, including previous comments, let the beer condition another 2 weeks and it may change your mind.
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Thanks my man. I’ll adjust the recipe and try that on the next go round.
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Before you brew again. Let this current beer condition another two weeks. It might flocc out some yeast/other compounds and then really come together. Then all we discussed will be semi obsolete (except actually switching the bittering hop variety to a cleaner on). At that point you’ll know it’s a process situation and you’ll need to get cleaner beer in the keg (ie need a longer crash and more carful transfer, etc)
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My recent bottled NEIPA
I think I finally nailed my ideal New England style
19l
43% pilsner malt
29% wheat malt
22% oat malts
3% maltodextrin
Water profile for
I used:
CTZ at mash hopping for 6IBU (10g)
Citra 50g @whirlpool <80C 20min
Dry hopping Azacca 50g at 2 day of fermentation
50g of Azacca and Citra each dry hopping for 2 days
Fermentation using Ebbegarden Kveik @32C didn't boiled my hops and limited WP because this Kveik can enhance bitterness
Bottled with 3g of ascorbic acid and 0.5g of SMB
I think I finally nailed my ideal New England style
19l
43% pilsner malt
29% wheat malt
22% oat malts
3% maltodextrin
Water profile for
I used:
CTZ at mash hopping for 6IBU (10g)
Citra 50g @whirlpool <80C 20min
Dry hopping Azacca 50g at 2 day of fermentation
50g of Azacca and Citra each dry hopping for 2 days
Fermentation using Ebbegarden Kveik @32C didn't boiled my hops and limited WP because this Kveik can enhance bitterness
Bottled with 3g of ascorbic acid and 0.5g of SMB
LJvermonster
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Can you share your recipe? Visually this is a beauty!
Thanks, Other Half and Genny did a New England Cream Ale collab. They did two runs and had to get the glass along with beer as Cream Ale was my 30 of choice in college.
ihavenonickname
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yeah that's a sure bet combo. I like your blend, but I've also done all columbus whirloop and all citra DH.
Dgallo
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Lots of trillium beers are Columbus and another hop. I feel like Vicinity Street is Citra/Columbus
The time I spent in college was likely cut short, in part, because of Genny Cream Ale.
Dgallo
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I will be getting none as I have way to many hops as it is… that’s said, Cashmere and bru1 are the only from that listed that I would buy for NEIPAS. I personally think azacca is bland and you have to use so much of it just to get the faintest amount of character. I’ve only used Zappa twice and it was a few years ago, but I remember it coming off like rotten fruit. Like way over ripe, mushy strawberries, if you know that flavor I’m trying to describe.
I love chinook though for west coast/red ipas/and hoppy browns
Me neither. Containing an N2 widget perhaps?
Did they arrive flat, or as a hard vacuum pack?
Dgallo
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They are nitrogen purged IIRCC. The bag was only maybe a cm thick when I bought it I kinda want to reach out to Yakima chef, not that I care about any replacement of an oz of hops but I’m genuinely intrigued. Did the organisms on the hops start to break them down? It’s very interesting to me
I'll do my best, I'm away this weekend and dont have my notes, so going off memory...
65% 2 row
20% white wheat
10% malted oats
3% carapils
2% honey malt
Simcoe at 60min
10min addition of simcoe, citra, mosaic
Whirlpool at 170 with citra, mosaic, and nectaron.
Dry hop was citra galaxy nectaron.
I can recheck my recipe notes when I get home but that's probably in the ballpark. Also I wouldn't change a thing about this beer, it was absolutely delicious.
Man I completely forgot about Trillium. What was/is the cutting tiles series? Probably should just google it. That’s probably why I bought the Lupomax, somewhere deep in my brain was the fact that they use Cloumbus often.
I’ve only bought YC from the LHBS in Rochester and I’ve never seen that. I’ve always had good luck with YVH. I’d like to see your findings when u open that sucker up.
I have yet to mess with nectaron, but may have to spring for some on my next hop order.
Dgallo
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Cutting tiles is their honey ipa series I believe it’s all single hopped I but I could be wrong there
Dgallo
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I plan on opening it and dryhopping a Bretted farmhouse beer with it tonight. Should be updating the thread tonight
Noob_Brewer
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Yes it is. All these beers are single hop varieties with raw wildflower honey. I had one several years ago with vic secret. It was a beautiful beer.
