Lambic Discussion Thread

[JulianB1]

Saw SpontanBasil in Asheville yesterday. $28 w/tax at tasty, considerably more at the ****** bottle shop. Also saw some Tilquin stout, but passed at $32 at Tasty and probably $40+ at Bustin Heads where it was sitting next to the same $45 bottle of De Cam that's been there since the last time I was in a year ago.

I honestly don't know how the other place stays in business. High prices, cramped, crappy location, can't drink on-premise while you shop. I'd have figured Tasty would have put them out of business by now. Appalachian Vintner was always better even before Tasty showed up but just way isolated from everything else.

 

[Wino1]

Does anyone know the exact weight of Cantillon magnums? Don't have a scale and I'm trying to pack my bags. By hand weighing it against bottles, it's ~2.5 bottles, so ~10 pounds?

 

[Beerontwowheels]

Does anyone know the exact weight of Cantillon magnums? Don't have a scale and I'm trying to pack my bags. By hand weighing it against bottles, it's ~2.5 bottles, so ~10 pounds?

Etre says that a 750ml weighs 3 lbs. Double the volume, double the glass. I'd guess closer to 8lbs. 10 is very conservative.

also...

#firstworldproblems

 

[kscaldef]

Does anyone know the exact weight of Cantillon magnums? Don't have a scale and I'm trying to pack my bags. By hand weighing it against bottles, it's ~2.5 bottles, so ~10 pounds?

Amateur... Real beer geeks always travel with a luggage scale

 

[Wino1]

Amateur... Real beer geeks always travel with a luggage scale

Equity scales haven't made it to Europe yet unfortunately

 

[RyanG1]

Good times ticking a metric ton of lambic in Scandinavia. Akkurat was a great place to visit over several afternoons and evenings. In my head, I pictured some dusty basement cellar with a leather bound vintage lambic list and grumpy servies, but I was pleasantly surprised with the TGIF/Chili's atmosphere and food menu and friendliness of everyone.

Highlights of course were Super Blend, Soleil de Minuit, Armand Seasons, and other vintage(s) of stuff I forgot were ordered until we see the credit card statement. Millenium wasn't to shabby.

My wife summarized Soleil nicely, smells awful and tastes wonderful.

Also, draft Cantillon gueze was nice to constantly drink while in between stupid expensive bottles.

Akkurat was worth it, but Copenhagen suprised me. A new spot opened a week or so prior, and the list was laughable good. Lots of lambic and midwest hype stout variants. Went solely for the Blabaer, and got to try 13 - 15.

2015 was the highlight, but not ISO of Blabaer anytime soon.

Best part of the trip was finding the original? Mikkeller bar, since Oblitukken was closed during posted hours for reasons unknown. Finding the 2005 Vig for ~$23 was my totes fave.

 

[Wino1]

Does anyone know the exact weight of Cantillon magnums? Don't have a scale and I'm trying to pack my bags. By hand weighing it against bottles, it's ~2.5 bottles, so ~10 pounds?

For anyone wondering, they're 7.385486 pounds (plus box) each. Note this isn't including the weight of their BIG equity.

 

[austinbridges]

Anyone have info/a line on those spontanbasil glasses? I need one

 

[Beerontwowheels]

Anyone have info/a line on those spontanbasil glasses? I need one

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-LINDEMA...3f51984&pid=100011&rk=1&rkt=1&sd=111905976519

that was easy

 

[BadJustin]

Those feels when your local rural beer store in central NY texts you to tell you they got Cuvée Rene Kriek and SpontanBasil in because you requested them.

28 bones for the Basil. Sound about right?

 

[brentsdodgers]

Those feels when your local rural beer store in central NY texts you to tell you they got Cuvée Rene Kriek and SpontanBasil in because you requested them.

28 bones for the Basil. Sound about right?

Sounds about right. Most people I have seen have said $27-$32 range.

 

[matedog]

Sounds about right. Most people I have seen have said $27-$32 range.

Yeesh, I see Mikkeller's contribution to the collab extends at least to the pricing.

 

[MDB315]

BIAB won't ship them to the US anymore either. The last Girardin 37.5cl volume pack I bought was 82 euro maybe 6-8 months ago

Any idea why they won't ship this one specifically to the U.S.?

 

[matedog]

Any idea why they won't ship this one specifically to the U.S.?

Because they hate our freedom.

 

[callmemickey]

Any idea why they won't ship this one specifically to the U.S.?

Short version: Girardin and its U.S. importer don't want BIAB/Etre cutting into their established importing channel.

 

[Shilt]

TrappistWorld has 35 bottles of Golden Blend 750's in stock. If you buy 11 ($684) it's ONLY $62 a bottle.

 

[bahnfire]

TrappistWorld has 35 bottles of Golden Blend 750's in stock. If you buy 11 ($684) it's ONLY $62 a bottle.

You read my mind.

 

[Beerontwowheels]

For folks that have had the opportunity to side by side regular OG with OGV (with reasonably close bottling dates), would you say you could tell them apart easily? Is the Vintage that much better and if it were done blind, would you know the difference?

 

[GuzzleMcBrew]

For folks that have had the opportunity to side by side regular OG with OGV (with reasonably close bottling dates), would you say you could tell them apart easily? Is the Vintage that much better and if it were done blind, would you know the difference?

I have never had an OG with the same OGV vintage simultaneously, but my experience with OGV's has been that they are definitely distinct from regular OG and the difference is very palpable. Not worlds apart, but some strong expression of certain characteritics.

St. Valentijn almost tasted like a funkier Zomer to me. 08 tasted like Golden Blend with the funk turned up to 11. I havn't had all the vintages, but there is no doubt in my mind that one could tell they were not drinking a regular OG had they some experience and a decent palate.

I accidentally poured a Golden Blend a few months back and after one sip was like '*******, what vintage OG is this???....DOH'

 

[stakem1]

For folks that have had the opportunity to side by side regular OG with OGV (with reasonably close bottling dates), would you say you could tell them apart easily? Is the Vintage that much better and if it were done blind, would you know the difference?

Why you asking BB? You looking to land some OGV and wondering if its worth pulling the trigger?

 

[Quatz]

For folks that have had the opportunity to side by side regular OG with OGV (with reasonably close bottling dates), would you say you could tell them apart easily? Is the Vintage that much better and if it were done blind, would you know the difference?

I have planned exactly this for the near future. Will do either '10 or '12. The one OGV I've had was amazing so I expect them to be very different.

 

[LuxWanderer]

Golden Blend and the OG/OGV are obviously quite different. My understanding was that the OG vs OGV was that Armand himself cellared the OGV and the title was purely a way to distinguish it for sale/ID purposes. Or maybe my world is about to get rocked

 

[GuzzleMcBrew]

Golden Blend and the OG/OGV are obviously quite different. My understanding was that the OG vs OGV was that Armand himself cellared the OGV and the title was purely a way to distinguish it for sale/ID purposes. Or maybe my world is about to get rocked

By this definition, one might believe that the only distinction between OG and OGV from a given vintage is that Armand himself cellared one and the other went to customers to cellar.
I think its more sophisticated than that.

The process for selecting what will become Oude Geuze Vintage is based on observations by the brewery as to how the beer is progressing from the time of bottling. This could be based on taste, perceived aging potential, or a need for more time in the bottle.

I would be really suprised if just any old bottle from a specific vintage was the same as an OGV from that vintage based on this selection process (and my anecdotal experience). If I am wrong here...



ISO 08 OG

 

[Beerontwowheels]

Why you asking BB? You looking to land some OGV and wondering if its worth pulling the trigger?

Yeah, basically. Can't recall if I've ever had an OGV. I know that no blend specifically starts out with OGV in mind, and it's a decision made based on aging potential, complexity, taste, etc. That's why I wondered just how different it could be. Was it more hype based on label or does it actually taste better, etc.

 

[foscorelli]

Awhile back I received an '08 OG and thought about sourcing an '08 OGV to side by side, however I have yet to do that because I lack the trade ammo at the moment.

Looking at the 3F bottle logs, it looks like there is only one date that both OG and OGV were bottled on, February 18, 2005.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...gmp0/edit?authkey=CMO6h9oD&pref=2&pli=1#gid=1

 

[callmemickey]

Just like the fact that every batch of OG is different, every batch of OGV is different. I've had great batches of OG and great batches of OGV. A side-by-side comparison between OG and OGV doesn't tell you much, other than that the particular batch of OGV may or may not be better than that particular batch of OG.

 

[Calcifer]

I have planned exactly this for the near future. Will do either '10 or '12. The one OGV I've had was amazing so I expect them to be very different.

Planned for when I'll be in Belgium?

 

[NAD1983]

Looking at the 3F bottle logs, it looks like there is only one date that both OG and OGV were bottled on, February 18, 2005.

26/1/2012 as well, according to lambic.info

 

[Beerontwowheels]

Just like the fact that every batch of OG is different, every batch of OGV is different. I've had great batches of OG and great batches of OGV. A side-by-side comparison between OG and OGV doesn't tell you much, other than that the particular batch of OGV may or may not be better than that particular batch of OG.

I get that. I guess I'm trying to understand/gain insight from a blender's perspective, what set the OGV batch apart from normal OG. I don't know if there's any way to really do that though. Getting a few different bottling dates surrounding an OGV date is all I can think of. Still would be fun.

 

[Compton25]

I get that. I guess I'm trying to understand/gain insight from a blender's perspective, what set the OGV batch apart from normal OG. I don't know if there's any way to really do that though. Getting a few different bottling dates surrounding an OGV date is all I can think of. Still would be fun.

We need AMA Armand!