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This has been an enjoyable beer. Not much on the nose of this one, although I am far from a rhubarb expert. Taste is a bit more complex than standard OG with a good bit of funk on the back end. I don’t pick up all that much rhubarb, but it’s just enough to notice. Also, nothin poppy on the nose of this batch.
 
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This has been an enjoyable beer. Not much on the nose of this one, although I am far from a rhubarb expert. Taste is a bit more complex than standard OG with a good bit of funk on the back end. I don’t pick up all that much rhubarb, but it’s just enough to notice. Also, nothin poppy on the nose of this batch.

but how did it smell?
 
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Lovey way to enjoy this 80 degree January day. While this new batch of hommage (blend 40) is not my favorite, it’s refreshing and delicious. Heavy raspberry on the nose. Not as funky as I like, but enough to recognize. Far more cherry on the palate than in past batches. This reminds me of hommage 2015, though it is more acidic than that batch was fresh.
 
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Lovey way to enjoy this 80 degree January day. While this new batch of hommage (blend 40) is not my favorite, it’s refreshing and delicious. Heavy raspberry on the nose. Not as funky as I like, but enough to recognize. Far more cherry on the palate than in past batches. This reminds me of hommage 2015, though it is more acidic than that batch was fresh.

Twinning! 12/20/16 today.

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Good looks!
That is my favorite batch of hommage to date! Have a few tucked away I can’t bring myself to open just yet. How is it tasting?

Quite good - already fading in fruit nose and color (somewhat brown) IMO but the taste was stunning. Very light raspberry and loads of funk. Definitely more cherry forward, which was surprising.
 
So I'm in the process of switching my cellar from vertical to horizontal storage, and one of the things I've thought about is how I can have a good sense of what's in a given rack. I've thought of a few ways to get hangtags to display the relevant information I'm interested in (brewer, bottle date, bottle size, style [code for adjuncts], and beer name). At first I bought hangtags and tried silk screening logos onto the tags, but the results weren't very crisp. Then I realized I could just print them on cardstock and then use a paper cutter and a circle-shaped die cutter.

I put this prototype together. It steals the idea of using a swatch of color to indicate the beer (yellow is no adjunct, red is cherry, pink is raspberry, etc.) and uses that space on the tag to display bottle date. The brewer's logo is most prominent, and the beer name is at the bottom. The circles near the cutout indicate bottle size. The cutout for the Cantillon bottle is smaller since it's not corked and caged.

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After getting the art set up, the tags are generated using LaTex. At some point I'll go through and inventory the bottles I have and do some data entry. It's easy enough for me to set up generic blanks (featuring just brewery logos, for example), or would be happy to share the relevant code for anyone who wants to generate their own tags.

I printed out some tonight to see what they'd look like. Colors are a bit muted since the cardstock is matte (of course) and the print quality wasn't adjusted appropriately for the thickness of the paper. The cutouts are relatively large, but it's hard to know how to get around that since the cork and cage are fairly thick. (The cutout I'm using is 1.5in, so perhaps I could measure the widest part to see if I can get away with 1.25in.)

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(With apologies that a non-lambic beer is included!)
 
So I'm in the process of switching my cellar from vertical to horizontal storage, and one of the things I've thought about is how I can have a good sense of what's in a given rack. I've thought of a few ways to get hangtags to display the relevant information I'm interested in (brewer, bottle date, bottle size, style [code for adjuncts], and beer name). At first I bought hangtags and tried silk screening logos onto the tags, but the results weren't very crisp. Then I realized I could just print them on cardstock and then use a paper cutter and a circle-shaped die cutter.

I put this prototype together. It steals the idea of using a swatch of color to indicate the beer (yellow is no adjunct, red is cherry, pink is raspberry, etc.) and uses that space on the tag to display bottle date. The brewer's logo is most prominent, and the beer name is at the bottom. The circles near the cutout indicate bottle size. The cutout for the Cantillon bottle is smaller since it's not corked and caged.

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After getting the art set up, the tags are generated using LaTex. At some point I'll go through and inventory the bottles I have and do some data entry. It's easy enough for me to set up generic blanks (featuring just brewery logos, for example), or would be happy to share the relevant code for anyone who wants to generate their own tags.

I printed out some tonight to see what they'd look like. Colors are a bit muted since the cardstock is matte (of course) and the print quality wasn't adjusted appropriately for the thickness of the paper. The cutouts are relatively large, but it's hard to know how to get around that since the cork and cage are fairly thick. (The cutout I'm using is 1.5in, so perhaps I could measure the widest part to see if I can get away with 1.25in.)

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(With apologies that a non-lambic beer is included!)
Very cool project. I like the idea a lot from an organizational perspective. From an aesthetics perspective, I quite like the look of bottles stored horizontally and just sitting there without any labeling. My collection at this point is mixed across horizontal storage wooden racks, horizontal storage in wood lambic crates (those cantillon ones) and the rest in vertical storage in cardboard boxes.

With your system, are you also tracking when you'd like to pull bottles to see how they're doing? I've done a decent enough job picking up different quantities of gueuze that I like and other than just aging all of it, I don't have too much rhyme or reason as to when I pull a bottle to drink. I don't really care all that much, since otherwise I would do something about it, but it would be cool to see a spreadsheet or something that easily tracks bottles that you want to open in certain intervals. I know I have some stuff that I'm holding for the long haul but others, ideally. I want to check in on every 6/12/18 months and there are too many to keep up with this without some sort of system.

Looking forward to seeing it all set up!
 
With your system, are you also tracking when you'd like to pull bottles to see how they're doing? I've done a decent enough job picking up different quantities of gueuze that I like and other than just aging all of it, I don't have too much rhyme or reason as to when I pull a bottle to drink. I don't really care all that much, since otherwise I would do something about it, but it would be cool to see a spreadsheet or something that easily tracks bottles that you want to open in certain intervals.

The short answer is: as of now, I don't have a system in mind for helping me think about when I want to drink certain bottles. My past experience in trying to manage what I drink on that level has typically fallen flat, mostly because what I consume on a given night is driven by enough other factors that trying to impose a schedule just doesn't work for me.

My cellar was originally mostly american wild ale, stouts, and barleywines, but in the past 3 years essentially the only thing I'm buying is lambic (plus "drinking beer" whose destiny is fulfilled within a week). With AWAs I wish I had paid *way* more attention to how old beers were, since many of them did not age gracefully to say the least. (Anything that was 4 years or older was a serious gamble, and many of those beers dropped off a cliff even after 1 or 2 years.) My experience with older lambic [caveat: I've only had one or two bottles with 10+ years on them, so for many of you that won't count as "older"], on the other hand, has been essentially terrific, so I'm less worried that I'll hold onto something so long that it's way past its prime.

In any event, my move from vertical to horizontal was primarily motivated by making it easier for me to know what the hell I have, since my current setup has bottles on shelves 4 or 5 deep. My old system was to create a sort of atlas that displayed where bottles where on particular shelves, together with the relevant info for each bottle. For example, here's a crappy screenshot of what the sheet for one of my shelves looked like back in 2017

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You can see it has all the relevant information, but it was unwieldy because it was a pain in the ass to go digging in the back of a shelf, plus it required hand marking the sheet when beers were consumed and then later going back to my file to make those changes. Keeping track of where things are on a shelf is just terrible, which ultimately meant that I only updated the atlas two or three times a year; at that point it essentially meant re-inventorying everything. I since stopped the updates because it was just too much, so now things are managed in my head. That's fine, but it means vintage information is essentially off my radar.

So this new setup is in place to increase visibility, and particularly so I can have vintage information immediately on hand without having to have beers in some fixed position. In that sense, then, I think this setup will make it easier for me to "check in" on a given blend that I might have multiple bottles of, if for no other reason than the fact that I'll know I have multiples of that bottle. If I get really ambitious, I might also use the back of each tag to write some brief tasting notes of the beers I consume. I can then keep the old tags because (a) I have a hoarding problem and (b) I can perhaps dig through them to see how a beer is changing over time. (But really, (b) is just a way to convince myself that the real reason isn't (a), even though clearly the real reason is (a).)

How long until someone starts RFID tagging their lambic?

I honestly thought about some system that used QR codes (or something similar) to just help me "check in" and "check out" beers, but ultimately didn't pursue it since I don't think I have the programming chops to make something like that get off the ground.
 
What is the best age to drink Iris? It's probably the regular rotation Cantillon I've had fewest times, I have only two bottles (from 2011 and 2013) and probably won't actively look for more, and wondering when I should plan to drink them. Obviously "fresh" is not an option at this point so I'm basically asking if they'll likely continue to improve or if I should just drink them soon.
 
What is the best age to drink Iris? It's probably the regular rotation Cantillon I've had fewest times, I have only two bottles (from 2011 and 2013) and probably won't actively look for more, and wondering when I should plan to drink them. Obviously "fresh" is not an option at this point so I'm basically asking if they'll likely continue to improve or if I should just drink them soon.
I'd say at least 21, although when I was that age I didn't have the advanced palate to truly appreciate a unique expression of a beer like Iris. So maybe like 28?
 
The short answer is: as of now, I don't have a system in mind for helping me think about when I want to drink certain bottles. My past experience in trying to manage what I drink on that level has typically fallen flat, mostly because what I consume on a given night is driven by enough other factors that trying to impose a schedule just doesn't work for me.

My cellar was originally mostly american wild ale, stouts, and barleywines, but in the past 3 years essentially the only thing I'm buying is lambic (plus "drinking beer" whose destiny is fulfilled within a week). With AWAs I wish I had paid *way* more attention to how old beers were, since many of them did not age gracefully to say the least. (Anything that was 4 years or older was a serious gamble, and many of those beers dropped off a cliff even after 1 or 2 years.) My experience with older lambic [caveat: I've only had one or two bottles with 10+ years on them, so for many of you that won't count as "older"], on the other hand, has been essentially terrific, so I'm less worried that I'll hold onto something so long that it's way past its prime.

In any event, my move from vertical to horizontal was primarily motivated by making it easier for me to know what the hell I have, since my current setup has bottles on shelves 4 or 5 deep. My old system was to create a sort of atlas that displayed where bottles where on particular shelves, together with the relevant info for each bottle. For example, here's a crappy screenshot of what the sheet for one of my shelves looked like back in 2017

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You can see it has all the relevant information, but it was unwieldy because it was a pain in the ass to go digging in the back of a shelf, plus it required hand marking the sheet when beers were consumed and then later going back to my file to make those changes. Keeping track of where things are on a shelf is just terrible, which ultimately meant that I only updated the atlas two or three times a year; at that point it essentially meant re-inventorying everything. I since stopped the updates because it was just too much, so now things are managed in my head. That's fine, but it means vintage information is essentially off my radar.

So this new setup is in place to increase visibility, and particularly so I can have vintage information immediately on hand without having to have beers in some fixed position. In that sense, then, I think this setup will make it easier for me to "check in" on a given blend that I might have multiple bottles of, if for no other reason than the fact that I'll know I have multiples of that bottle. If I get really ambitious, I might also use the back of each tag to write some brief tasting notes of the beers I consume. I can then keep the old tags because (a) I have a hoarding problem and (b) I can perhaps dig through them to see how a beer is changing over time. (But really, (b) is just a way to convince myself that the real reason isn't (a), even though clearly the real reason is (a).)



I honestly thought about some system that used QR codes (or something similar) to just help me "check in" and "check out" beers, but ultimately didn't pursue it since I don't think I have the programming chops to make something like that get off the ground.

This is really interesting, and I think your move to the tags is going to simplify things (& it'll look great!).

I'm curious how people with substantial cellars log what they have, where it's stored, etc.

I keep 98% of my cellar in my actual cellar. Bottles are in boxes inside those big blue storage bins. Nothing is organized. A few times a year I add to my cellar with new acquisitions and/or pull bottles I'd like to drink in the near-ish future. I keep a Google Spreadsheet which I try to maintain as best as possible. Until I either a) buy a house or b) start renting an off-site cellar, this sorta seems like my only option.

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This is really interesting, and I think your move to the tags is going to simplify things (& it'll look great!).

I'm curious how people with substantial cellars log what they have, where it's stored, etc.

I keep 98% of my cellar in my actual cellar. Bottles are in boxes inside those big blue storage bins. Nothing is organized. A few times a year I add to my cellar with new acquisitions and/or pull bottles I'd like to drink in the near-ish future. I keep a Google Spreadsheet which I try to maintain as best as possible. Until I either a) buy a house or b) start renting an off-site cellar, this sorta seems like my only option.

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A few years ago I finally bit the bullet and made some racks and a dedicated cellar space for the bottles. It can hold roughy 960 bottles with room for an additional 50 magnums. I keep track on a spreadsheet as well, but not by location. When I filled the cellar from bodes I put everything mostly in alphabetical order work capped and corked on one side and corked and caged on the other. I just gave a rough idea of where they are and that’s about it.
 
I keep a Google Spreadsheet which I try to maintain as best as possible.

I keep track on a spreadsheet as well, but not by location.

It seems to me that there's some tension between two reasonable goals one might have when "getting organized"
  1. to have some easily accessible (e.g., on a phone) catalog of what one has
  2. to be able to see one's options when physically perusing the cellar
Spreadsheets are great for the former. The hang tag approach is great for the latter. The QR code approach would be a way to get the best of both worlds, assuming you could set up some scanning software in place that automatically populates/unpopulates a database based on the scan of a code. On the tag production side, you'd just have to set up your tag so it prints a QR code that has the relevant information for the database.
 

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