Lambic Discussion Thread

[matedog]

I wonder if the Cantillon expansion could mean more Tilquin.

 

[Rowingbrewer1]

I wonder if the Cantillon expansion could mean more Tilquin.

I beleive That like the universe Tilquin is in a constant state of expansion. They posted a little while ago about 60-100 new barrels that they got. I would assume that as long as space is available they will continue to fill that space with more barrels. However like Cantillon expect a 3 year wait period for anything to come out of those barrels to be in bottles.

Side note I had a 2012-2013 questche yesterday and it was fanfreakintastic. I hope as they expand Pierre does not limit himself to just Gueuze and Quetsche. I bet he could give Jean a run for his money when it comes to fruited lambics. I would love to see a kriek and framboise in the regular line up from tilquin

 

[GetchaPull]

I beleive That like the universe Tilquin is in a constant state of expansion. They posted a little while ago about 60-100 new barrels that they got. I would assume that as long as space is available they will continue to fill that space with more barrels. However like Cantillon expect a 3 year wait period for anything to come out of those barrels to be in bottles.

Side note I had a 2012-2013 questche yesterday and it was fanfreakintastic. I hope as they expand Pierre does not limit himself to just Gueuze and Quetsche. I bet he could give Jean a run for his money when it comes to fruited lambics. I would love to see a kriek and framboise in the regular line up from tilquin

Agree with everything you said except:

Apricots>cherries>razzleberries. Hit the baby Fou' first!

 

[Rowingbrewer1]

Agree with everything you said except:

Apricots>cherries>razzleberries. Hit the baby Fou' first!

where do bilberries fit in there?

I have had foufoune out of the bottle and on tap, and it is great but I doubt Pierre is gonna go and make an apricot lambic out of respect for Jean. I think he wants to make his own mark on the lambic scene which is why he went with plums for his first fruited lambic. cherries and raspberrries be fair game

 

[GetchaPull]

where do bilberries fit in there?

I have had foufoune out of the bottle and on tap, and it is great but I doubt Pierre is gonna go and make an apricot lambic out of respect for Jean. I think he wants to make his own mark on the lambic scene which is why he went with plums for his first fruited lambic. cherries and raspberrries be fair game

Since bilberries undoubtedly taste like plastic, I chose to omit them.

 

[Rowingbrewer1]

Since bilberries undoubtedly taste like plastic, I chose to omit them.

only had Blabaer once and I was not a fan, it was actually the worst cantillon I have ever had. It was a 750 from 2011 i think, and it definitely had some plastic or maybe band-aid flavor

Edit:
the cantillon I have had
Classic, kriek, rose, FF, ST Lamvinus, Vig, LPK, LPF, LPG, Iris, BGC, CDC, blabaer, Brabtiae, 50N b1 and b2, crianza, 2 year lambic, mamouche, zwanze 10-12.

 

[stupac2]

Does anyone know what the deal with OGV is? Has Armand just given up on it? It seems like some should've been released since the 2008 vintage.

 

[Rowingbrewer1]

Does anyone know what the deal with OGV is? Has Armand just given up on it? It seems like some should've been released since the 2008 vintage.

This is total speculation but did the thermostat incident totally screw the chance at an 09 OGV? Also maybe he put OGV off for a bit while trying to recover financially from the mess and sold more upfront.

 

[SeaWatchman]

This is a great idea and I fully support it with whatever I can add.

Perhaps you missed the next couple posts down from that.

 

[SeaWatchman]

This is total speculation but did the thermostat incident totally screw the chance at an 09 OGV? Also maybe he put OGV off for a bit while trying to recover financially from the mess and sold more upfront.

This. OGV has always been made with Armand's own lambic, and 2008 would have been the last time that could have happened before the thermostat issue. He could have maybe done some 2009 stuff, but what remained of his lambic was mostly thrown into doing the Armand'4 bottlings.

 

[stupac2]

This. OGV has always been made with Armand's own lambic, and 2008 would have been the last time that could have happened before the thermostat issue. He could have maybe done some 2009 stuff, but what remained of his lambic was mostly thrown into doing the Armand'4 bottlings.

That was my guess, but I figured I would've heard of it before if that were true. So we could potentially see an OGV '10/11 in a year or two? I really like that beer and want him to keep making it.

 

[SeaWatchman]

That was my guess, but I figured I would've heard of it before if that were true. So we could potentially see an OGV '10/11 in a year or two? I really like that beer and want him to keep making it.

There's absolutely nothing different from OG vs. OGV apart from the fact that Armand liked it better or it needed more time in the bottle for whatever reason. The 3F Open Brew Days is coming up in about a month, I guess we'll know then if there's any new OGV. If not, given that his lambic is just now starting to make its way back into the blends, it may be a while if he doesn't want to use someone else's lambic. Pure speculation at this point.

From Thursday 4 September till Monday 8 September there will be open beer days at the 3 Fonteinen Brewery.
These special days start at 10 a.m and run till 5 p.m, during the day we will be giving free guided tours in Dutch, French, English and German. There will also be bottles of Vintage Geuze for sale in the brewery shop.

 

[infi]

Does anyone know what the deal with OGV is? Has Armand just given up on it? It seems like some should've been released since the 2008 vintage.

There was an announcement about 3F's open beer day on their FB page earlier today, and said something about having vintage geuze available at their shop. So hopefully that entails new batches of OGV, but if not- vintage 3F OG is still boss.

Edit: SeaWatchman beat me. jinx.

 

[stupac2]

There's absolutely nothing different from OG vs. OGV apart from the fact that Armand liked it better or it needed more time in the bottle for whatever reason.

I know. I think part of the reason I like it is just that they're typically older than the 3F OG you find around. People seem to save them and they seem more readily available than comparably old OG. Maybe I'm just bad at trading for it, I dunno. I guess if they start releasing it again I'll be able to compare more easily since I actually have OG back to 2010.

EDIT: Jesus ****, no wonder I didn't see that, Facebook apparently decided that I didn't want to see updates from 3F sometime in the last couple months. That site is so ******* horrible.

 

[BusinessSloth]

Perhaps you missed the next couple posts down from that.

Your first mistake was assuming I take the time to read every post in a thread.

 

[SeaWatchman]

Your first mistake was assuming I take the time to read every post in a thread.

This is about the only thread that I actually do read completely

 

[GetchaPull]

only had Blabaer once and I was not a fan, it was actually the worst cantillon I have ever had. It was a 750 from 2011 i think, and it definitely had some plastic or maybe band-aid flavor

Edit:
the cantillon I have had
Classic, kriek, rose, FF, ST Lamvinus, Vig, LPK, LPF, LPG, Iris, BGC, CDC, blabaer, Brabtiae, 50N b1 and b2, crianza, 2 year lambic, mamouche, zwanze 10-12.

Yep, same here. I was super disappoint about a year and a half ago when I traded an OGV '02 for Blabaer '12 (yeah, I know), but I really wanted Blabaer. My wife kicks me in the junk every day because I ask her to because of that trade. What a ******* motard. And I only bought two '02s when I could have had 10+....double motard.

 

[Dsal891]

Well nvm about my earlier posts for bottles of the 2010/11 tilquin. Thankfully I was able to lock a couple up

 

[LukeAleTime]

Went into one of my locals last night and they had about half a dozen Golden Blends on the shelves, where none were previously (they sold out ages ago). Asked the owner and he said the distro is having a clear-out and they are now the same price as OG - and there was more out the back.

I had to stop myself from clearing their stock as it's one of my favourites. I have 8 bottles now though. If there is some left next time I visit, I'm taking them all.

 

[LukeAleTime]

Also on the shelves is this. 750ml 2012 for $16

 

[SeaWatchman]

I want to live in Australia.

 

[degardebrewing]

I want to live in Australia.

Drop bears.

 

[SeaWatchman]

Drop bears.

I'm more scared of vegemite to be honest.

 

[degardebrewing]

I'm more scared of vegemite to be honest.

Throw it at the drop bears.

 

[kscaldef]

Went into one of my locals last night and they had about half a dozen Golden Blends on the shelves, where none were previously (they sold out ages ago). Asked the owner and he said the distro is having a clear-out and they are now the same price as OG - and there was more out the back.

I had to stop myself from clearing their stock as it's one of my favourites. I have 8 bottles now though. If there is some left next time I visit, I'm taking them all.

At $10, there's no question I would buy all the Golden Blend in sight.

 

[BusinessSloth]

So I ask this in seriousness. Is there really such thing as "shelf lambic/gueuze" anymore? While TX does not see any Cantillon or 3 Fonteinen, if I saw even 3F on the shelves, I'd buy it instantly as long as the price wasn't outrageous.

Does 3F, Tilquin, or other stuff just sit on a shelf, or are they snatched up fairly quickly when they hit shelves?

 

[stupac2]

So I ask this in seriousness. Is there really such thing as "shelf lambic/gueuze" anymore? While TX does not see any Cantillon or 3 Fonteinen, if I saw even 3F on the shelves, I'd buy it instantly as long as the price wasn't outrageous.

Does 3F, Tilquin, or other stuff just sit on a shelf, or are they snatched up fairly quickly when they hit shelves?

Around here everything but Cantillon lasts several days, and everything else besides 3F will last weeks/months. Either that or I constantly get lucky seeing it around, hard to tell.

 

[frothyhead]

So I ask this in seriousness. Is there really such thing as "shelf lambic/gueuze" anymore? While TX does not see any Cantillon or 3 Fonteinen, if I saw even 3F on the shelves, I'd buy it instantly as long as the price wasn't outrageous.

Does 3F, Tilquin, or other stuff just sit on a shelf, or are they snatched up fairly quickly when they hit shelves?

The only shelf **** that can be relatively counted on by me is Hanssens. That seems to stick around at local liquor stores and the local Whole Foods. Probably because it always tends to be overpriced. Cuvée Rene is also generally available. But the likelihood of seeing anything else at this point is nil. Used to be able to go to the better joints in Jersey and stock up on Cantillon and 3F, but at this point we'd never even see that hit shelves. Tilquin, Girardin I've gotten in places in NY, both in the city and outside, but probably same deal now.

 

[frothyhead]

Recent posts made me check on the years of Tilquin I've got in the cellar and now I'm seeking opinions. I've got one 375 ml each of 2010/2011 Gueuze and 2012/2013 Quetsche.

Drink now or sit on longer?

For the record, I've had both fresh.

 

[bramsdell]

So I ask this in seriousness. Is there really such thing as "shelf lambic/gueuze" anymore? While TX does not see any Cantillon or 3 Fonteinen, if I saw even 3F on the shelves, I'd buy it instantly as long as the price wasn't outrageous.

Does 3F, Tilquin, or other stuff just sit on a shelf, or are they snatched up fairly quickly when they hit shelves?

In the last 4 years, lived in Huntsville, AL, Cambridge/Boston, MA, New Hampshire (a true dry land of lambic), and now Winston-Salem, NC.

Hunstville had no idea what lambic was. Very little distro, but what little came would sit around. Nothing special, but when I was back to visit this spring I found a 2yo Girardin Black Label with about a 1/2in dust on it. 'Twas splendid.

NH is similar. Nothing more than Lindemans Cuvee Rene and Boone Gueuze. Go up to ME and you can find Hanssens and Tilquin, but you need to go to the better stores.

3 years ago in the Boston area, Hanssens was shelf. Now, not always; typically only when overpriced. Tilquin could be found at better shops, but again, at $25/750ml, unsurprising. Loons were gone in seconds and 3F was gone practically as quickly. Only exception being Golden Blend, but at ~$26/375, it should sit around. Lindemans Cuvee Renee could be found, as well as Boon Mariage Parfait, which was still a decent price and a decent lambic. Used to be, though, that I could find several years' worth of it on shelf. Now, usually just the most recent vintage. Seems like Fond Tradition was pretty readily available.

Haven't had a ton of exploration time yet in NC, but already more shelf lambics. Was told that Tilquin sells out quickly, but have seen it on shelves. Hanssens is $10.99/375ml. For that price, I'm golden. If 3F ever comes around, I'll buy what I can and then go back to Hanssens.