American Pale Ale Lake Walk Pale Ale

[Dude]

OK Im making this this weekend..I was planning on removing the cenntennial becasue I want to save them for my Stone IPA. Any thoughts on if it imparts that much? Or maybe just cut it to dry hop only?

I was curious what the change has been.

Jay

I'm removing centennial completely from the next version.

I don't miss it very much.

 

[discgolfin]

I'm removing centennial completely from the next version.

I don't miss it very much.

Sounds good..I love the other two and think the cenntennial is great all by itself..so really wanted to be sure. I hate hop shortages..otherwise I would make pliny several times a year..but now..LOL

Jay

 

[Beerrific]

Looks like I am going to brew this one. I really love Simcoe and Amarillo, used them in a DFH 60 min clone but want something I can drink a bit more of....

Does the malt need to be tasted before crushing?

 

[Dude]

Looks like I am going to brew this one. I really love Simcoe and Amarillo, used them in a DFH 60 min clone but want something I can drink a bit more of....

Does the malt need to be tasted before crushing?

It can be toasted crushed or uncrushed. I've done it both ways with good results, you just have to watch it closer if it is crushed. You don't want it roasted, you want it toasted.

 

[discgolfin]

OK I finally got around to brewing this. I am a bit short on simcoe and amarillo and plan on a few IPAs with them..So I changed it up a bit and used .5 oz of summit at 60 and 20 min. The IBU was around 50 so close..I will update. I have 14 OZ of summit and have heard good things so heres hoping!! The beer looks a nice deep shade of light red.. OG 1.06 so a bit high..but should be very tsasty...fermentation in 4 hrs...:rockin:

Jay

 

[korndog]

Update and heads-up

I have two batches dry-hopping right now. I substituted biscuit for the toasted pale as an experiment in one of them. The biscuit batch has a distinct sourness to it at this point. With some help from my LHBC, I have pretty much ruled out infection, and narrowed it down to using too much biscuit as called for in pro-mash while adjusting my efficiency. Anybody considering victory or biscuit should be warned that you will not get the same effect as a light home toast. I'm not sure how this will play out in the finished product, but the difference at this point is very noticeable.

Best
KD

 

[the_bird]

How much biscuit did you use? I have a hard time imagining that you'd get a sour flavor from that malt, regardless of how much you used.

 

[korndog]

How much biscuit did you use? I have a hard time imagining that you'd get a sour flavor from that malt, regardless of how much you used.

I did a no-sparge batch, using 18%/3 lbs. biscuit. What else do you think it could be?

 

[Dude]

I did a no-sparge batch, using 18%/3 lbs. biscuit. What else do you think it could be?

3 lbs of biscuit? OMFG. I'm surprised it doesn't taste like straight up dookie.

 

[korndog]

3 lbs of biscuit? OMFG. I'm surprised it doesn't taste like straight up dookie.

Yeah, well what can I say. It sounded good for a minute. Lol. Live and learn.
The guy at my LHBS said just sub it out for my toast. In all fairness, I didn't give him any details.

 

[discgolfin]

A bit of an update..
4 days after fermentation began..OG 1.058..FG 1.012..gotta love s05

It tastes great!! I had a bit higher IBU..and with 1.012 was expecting a bitter beer out of primary but tasted great!! The aroma is not all there but it is young and after 2 weeeks marinading in the secondary with some hops it shuld be fantastic!! I really was surprised as how clean and good it was after only 6 days. If history should hold up in 2 weeks this should be one tasty beer..

I also love the red color the toasted malt gave..very nice

Jay

 

[korndog]

A bit of an update..
4 days after fermentation began..OG 1.058..FG 1.012..gotta love s05

It tastes great!! I had a bit higher IBU..and with 1.012 was expecting a bitter beer out of primary but tasted great!! The aroma is not all there but it is young and after 2 weeeks marinading in the secondary with some hops it shuld be fantastic!! I really was surprised as how clean and good it was after only 6 days. If history should hold up in 2 weeks this should be one tasty beer..
I also love the red color the toasted malt gave..very nice
Jay

Yes, agree on the Safeale 05. The stuff is just a pleasure to use. My latest batch finished out at 1.085, over 80% attenuation (not sure what caused the over attenuation). You better start your next batch; this stuff doesn't last long. I kegged after 3 weeks, and it was really good. last part of keg probably was a bit better. I think this beer drinks great at 4 weeks.

 

[discgolfin]

Yes, agree on the Safeale 05. The stuff is just a pleasure to use. My latest batch finished out at 1.085, over 80% attenuation (not sure what caused the over attenuation). You better start your next batch; this stuff doesn't last long. I kegged after 3 weeks, and it was really good. last part of keg probably was a bit better. I think this beer drinks great at 4 weeks.

4 weeks is good to know..I think with the lower IBU and high hop flavor and aroma that 4 to 8 weeks would be the best..I have found that in IPA's 3 months to 4 months they start to be best..becasue the bitter cools down more. I subbed summit in as my 60 min and 20 min addition becasue I have a pound of the stuff..not sure how much it will change the overall beer..im sure some.

Jay

 

[korndog]

Ah, another Lakewalk to the keg. Finally!
I have a question. I am going to take this to my LHBC for a tasting, and am not sure if I should categorize it as an IPA or an APA. The IBU are well over according to my software. Any thoughts?

 

[Dude]

Ah, another Lakewalk to the keg. Finally!
I have a question. I am going to take this to my LHBC for a tasting, and am not sure if I should categorize it as an IPA or an APA. The IBU are well over according to my software. Any thoughts?

APA. Just because a brewing software says it is slightly over the limits doesn't necessarily mean it is.

As I've said before, despite amarillo being higher in AA%, it is a softer bitterness.

I just don't think LWPA can be classified as an IPA.

Enter it as both though, and see what happens. I'd be curious to see what the judges say about the differences in between the two styles.

 

[korndog]

APA. Just because a brewing software says it is slightly over the limits doesn't necessarily mean it is.

As I've said before, despite amarillo being higher in AA%, it is a softer bitterness.

I just don't think LWPA can be classified as an IPA.

Enter it as both though, and see what happens. I'd be curious to see what the judges say about the differences in between the two styles.

OK, good idea. I'll give it a shot!

 

[blacklab]

Hey Dude;

Stirred your LWPA up for a family/friends get together weekend, and it was so good that I think I hooked two more guys on homebrewing. The ~5 gallons of finished product lasted all of two nights. Thanks for the recipe, and for tipping me off to Simcoe...now my hop of choice.

 

[Benny Blanco]

First time I've ever had Kermit-green krausen...

 

[Dude]

So...those of you that have brewed this and drank it...what is your opinion on the bitterness vs. what the software says? Do you agree with me that the software kind of goes overboard?

BTW, I officially edited the recipe to eliminate the Centennial. I still may use Centennial again someday, but during the hop crisis, it is gone.

 

[korndog]

I agree with your assessment Dude. I brought some to a club brew session last week, and it went quickly. I had brought three bottles for a competition but the got popped open by popular demand. I need to bottle some more now. Some thought it was IPA range, others thought it was a higher IBU APA. This batch had a little more grapefruit to it than last. Not sure why. Anyway, I am going to enter it in the APA category and see what happens from the judges on the IBU's. Delicious and drinkable beer, either way.

 

[Yooper]

So...those of you that have brewed this and drank it...what is your opinion on the bitterness vs. what the software says? Do you agree with me that the software kind of goes overboard?

BTW, I officially edited the recipe to eliminate the Centennial. I still may use Centennial again someday, but during the hop crisis, it is gone.

Well, I LOVE this recipe, and made it as written in the original. In my opinion, I think it's an IPA, rather than APA. The bitterness was present and I thought it was a great beer. Still, I would have thought it was an IPA rather than APA. That's not a criticism, you know- that is actually my favorite style of beer.

 

[Yuri_Rage]

Yoops - Dude and I have had the same discussion. I think we both decided it was more of an IPA, but Lake Walk Pale Ale just has a nice ring to it.

Did I capture the discussion right, Dude?

 

[Dude]

Yoops - Dude and I have had the same discussion. I think we both decided it was more of an IPA, but Lake Walk Pale Ale just has a nice ring to it.

Did I capture the discussion right, Dude?

Yep.

I still don't the think the gravity is enough to call it an IPA though. The bitterness, yes, it fits.

 

[Benny Blanco]

Ever think about raising the malt a pound or so? Make it a full oz of Amarillo @ 60?

I think it's the large amount of late additions that add to that great soft/round bitterness it has. Of course, I've only tried my hydro sample...but I expected it to be much more bitter. Looking forward to drinking this one.

 

[AnOldUR]

Dude wrote:
I still don't the think the gravity is enough to call it an IPA though. The bitterness, yes, it fits.

This was one of the beers I had on tap for our Easter get-together. Despite the name, I described it to people as an IPA. Regardless of the alcohol content, calling it an IPA is a good way to serve warning to BMC drinkers. In fairness to Dude, my efficiency wasn’t what I wanted and this most likely made for higher hop utilization on top of an already hoppy brew.

Of the four beers on tap, LWPA was the biggest hit. I’ll have to brew this one again real soon.

 

[Rhoobarb]

I brewed this waaayy back in 2005 and it turned out great. It was my 2nd all grain brew. Here was our discussion at the time, if you want a blast from the past! Back then, it was definitely an APA, IMHO. Now that you've done some tweaking to it, I'm gonna have to try the updated recipe.

I've been meaning to brew it again, but you know how it is... so many beers, so little time! I need to do it soon, as it will be perfect for the summer months.

 

[McKBrew]

I just added the dry hops to mine last night, but didn't have any simcoe so I added something else. Planning on racking into a keg next weekend and adding gas. The hydro sample from last week rocked, so I'm sure I'm in for a good beer.

 

[Big10Seaner]

I would really like to try this but I haven't graduated to all grain yet. I just don't have the space where I currently live. I have been looking for a pale ale with the simcoe/amarillo blend and think this would be a great one to try. Does anyone have an extract recipe for this?

 

[discgolfin]

I would say this is on the low end of and IPA or high end of a APA. from simply the taste I woulds say it is a APA. It really is smooth and is not too bitter very early..

J

 

[korndog]

Dude
I see you pulled the Centennial off the first page recipe. Can you remind me what the additions were. I omitted them from ProMash to see effect, but didn't write them down.

Thanks