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HoppyDaze

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Almost every time I add hops to a recipe in beersmith I cringe when I see the hop stability index. Most of the hops I use have a 25-40% HSI. (meaning thats 25-40% alpha lost in six months). I cringe because the hops I buy are typically a season old. So how would it be remotely possible that my beers' IBUs are anything close to what I calculate in beersmith?

I recently brewed a hop bomb with some 2008 hops that I purchased from Hops Direct (those year end sales that everyone around here ordered from). And, to test the HSI accuracy, I made a "pale" that ended with like 85IBUs. I figure the hops are over a year old and they must have lost at least 40% alpha. WOW is this beer hoppy, buut I will admit that I did not balance it well with my malt profile.

Does anyone else worry about HSI, or do you just go with the AA on the package regardless of it's age?
 
I didn't know such a calculation existed. I have brewed beer with old hops, 2 years +, and not had a problem. I think it has a lot to do with how they are packaged, temp, and wether or not they are nitrogen packed. I had a batch with same year hops that gave my beer a kind of stale taste once. So I think it really had to do with packaging. jmo
 
I use BeerSmith's to set rough AA%. Under 'Tools,' 'Hop Age' I use that to adjust each recipe when I create them and then right before I brew in case I didn't brew when planned.

I am in the same boat with a lot of my hops being nearly 2 years. For instance my Columbus hops that were 14%, are now in the 11.4-11.5% range in my recipe calculations. I use the Hop Age tool to adjust all the hops in the recipe, but I leave the quantities of flavor additions the same, just change the bittering addition to reflect my desired IBU's.

I figure adjusting them will at least give a better perspective of the real bitterness. I don't want to brew something thinking its a 40IBU pale ale and then turns out is only a 20IBU blonde.
 
I use BeerSmith's to set rough AA%. Under 'Tools,' 'Hop Age' I use that to adjust each recipe when I create them and then right before I brew in case I didn't brew when planned.

I am in the same boat with a lot of my hops being nearly 2 years. For instance my Columbus hops that were 14%, are now in the 11.4-11.5% range in my recipe calculations. I use the Hop Age tool to adjust all the hops in the recipe, but I leave the quantities of flavor additions the same, just change the bittering addition to reflect my desired IBU's.

I figure adjusting them will at least give a better perspective of the real bitterness. I don't want to brew something thinking its a 40IBU pale ale and then turns out is only a 20IBU blonde.

Perfect...I guess I didnt realize beer smith had the hop age tool. It does make sense since they go to the trouble with the HSI
 
Almost every time I add hops to a recipe in beersmith I cringe when I see the hop stability index. Most of the hops I use have a 25-40% HSI. (meaning thats 25-40% alpha lost in six months). I cringe because the hops I buy are typically a season old. So how would it be remotely possible that my beers' IBUs are anything close to what I calculate in beersmith?

Note that HSI is an indication of AA degradation at 68F in a totally unsealed environment (e.g. sitting in an unsealed paper bag on your kitchen counter).

Every decrease in temperature of 27F halves the speed at which hops age. Vacuum sealing also almost halves that speed.

A hop with a 40% HSI in a vaccuum-sealed package in the freezer would lose:
4.4% of its AA after 6 months (e.g. a 10% AA would be down to 9.56%)
16.5% of its AA after 2 years (e.g. a 10% AA would be down to 8.35%)

If you know the harvest time and storage conditions, you can account for that in your brewing (http://brewerslair.com/index.php?p=brewhouse&d=calculators&id=cal16&u=eng has an aging calculator).

This is usually far from the biggest source of inaccuracy in calculating IBUs, though; if you know it, it's worth controlling, but even guys like Palmer say they use hops they've had a ziploc in the freezer for over a year without correcting and they make darned good beer.

Basically, use your estimates as a guideline: use the same formula every time, and use it the same way every time. Even if it doesn't give you a really exact IBU number, it will give you a standard baseline that you're familiar with to work from.

Sidebar on where IBU estimates can go awry for those interested:

For one thing, the algorithms themselves are pretty rough estimates; you can count on them to probably get you within 30% for a pretty standard full-boil brew. If the software says a recipe is 50 IBU, that means it's probably in the 35-65 range; certainly don't expect it to be spot-on-the-nose.

For another, AA% in a bale of hops is usually measured by pulling a single plug. Hops obviously aren't uniform, so if that hits a particularly high or low AA% part of the bale the measurement's going to be off. That's counterbalanced by the fact that growers know the season's typical yield and the variety's range, so it won't be outlandishly different, but the original values aren't always correct to the tenth of a percent (as they're labelled).

For another, isomerized alpha acids are not the only bittering compound that contributes to IBUs (if your brewing book defines an IBU as " one part per million of isomerized alpha acids" or similar, it's wrong). As one example, oxidized beta acids play a significant role in bittering. Cascades have about a 1:1 alpha:beta ratio. Columbus is in the 3.5:1 range. The formulas used by brewing software _completely ignore_ beta acids--you don't even enter that ratio. So how much they're off by is going to vary based on what kinds of hops you use and any aspect of their chemistry other than AA% that affects IBUs.

For another, the amount and concentration of break material you have plays a factor in overall IBU utilization. That means whether you brew extract vs. all grain, use wheat or rye vs. barley vs simple sugars, etc all play a role in your utilization. So does the geometry of your kettle, your fermenter, and even what yeast you use. All of those are ignored by the software.

Many of those are pretty small effects, but they add to the overall uncertainty of the final calculation.
 
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