English Ales - What's your favorite recipe?

[An Ankoù]

Maybe this, launched in 2021? https://www.anspachandhobday.com/london-black

Yes, that's the one.
Anyone got a recipe, I'd like to try it, but have no plans to go London.
Especially since I haven't been offered a knighthood for my services to beer.

 

[Colindo]

The beer is a dialled-down version of their original beer "The Porter", which had 6.7% ABV. London Black has 4.4%. It seems they don't sell the original anymore, but the Wayback Machine can help.

Our blend of highly kilned and roasted malts is suited perfectly to our water, producing balanced flavours of rich coffee and dark chocolate.

Sounds like London water profile, Munich malt and roasted malts are a given.

 

[Cheshire Cat]

Yes, that's the one.
Anyone got a recipe, I'd like to try it, but have no plans to go London.
Especially since I haven't been offered a knighthood for my services to beer.

Of course 19 litres

Malts (4.15 kg)​

3.2 kg (77.1%) — Crisp Finest Maris Otter® Ale Malt — Grain — 3.3 SRM
200 g (4.8%) — Crisp Amber Malt — Grain — 37 SRM
200 g (4.8%) — Crisp Chocolate Malt — Grain — 530 SRM
200 g (4.8%) — Crisp Dark Munich Malt — Grain — 22.5 SRM
200 g (4.8%) — Crisp Flaked Torrefied Oats — Grain — 2.5 SRM
150 g (3.6%) — Crisp Roast Barley — Grain — 700 SRM — Mash — 15 min

Other (200 g)​

200 g — Milk Sugar (Lactose) — Sugar — 0 SRM — Boil — 10 min

Hops (55 g)​

30 g (27 IBU) — Challenger 6.2% — Boil — 60 min
25 g (11 IBU) — Bramling Cross 6.5% — Boil — 15 min

CML FIVE yeast

 

[Colindo]

200 g — Milk Sugar (Lactose) — Sugar — 0 SRM — Boil — 10 min

Wait, what? How did you get that for London Black?

 

[Zadkiel]

The A&H version is Vegan, so can't have any Lactose in it.

 

[Cheshire Cat]

Type London Black Clone into google. If you’re a vegan leave out the milk powder.

 

[DuncB]

Type London Black Clone into google. If you’re a vegan leave out the milk powder.

What about if you're a carnivore with lactose intolerance?

 

[An Ankoù]

The A&H version is Vegan, so can't have any Lactose in it.

I really don't get vegans.
Lactose is a chemically pure product so what's the problem?
The larger part of milk is water. This water is discarded and goes into the "water cycle". Do vegans not drink water?

 

[Zadkiel]

I really don't get vegans.

Oh, certified card-carrying meat eater here too. Just pointing out that the actual A&H recipe can't have lactose in it, cos they do declare it as vegan.

 

[An Ankoù]

Oh, certified card-carrying meat eater here too. Just pointing out that the actual A&H recipe can't have lactose in it, cos they do declare it as vegan.

Not arguing with you, Zad. You're perfectly right.
On the other hand, as you're the agent in the field, I reckon you should seek out this beer, find out everything you can and report back to the forum.
I'm sure the forum administrators will look on your request for a "research grant" most favourably.

 

[Cheshire Cat]

What about if you're a carnivore with lactose intolerance?

Then leave it out for crying out loud.

 

[Shenanigans]

Then leave it out for crying out loud.

Or here are some suggestions for replacing lactose when brewing

https://homebrew.stackexchange.com/questions/6020/vegan-option-for-lactose

Pretty old but seems like solid advice and at least back then it wasn't written by AI.

 

[Zadkiel]

On the other hand, as you're the agent in the field, I reckon you should seek out this beer, find out everything you can and report back to the forum.

I go to the A&H taproom on the Bermondsey Mile a few times a year. I'm not really much of a Stout drinker though (only exception I make is the Kernel Brewery Oat Stout)

 

[DuncB]

Some information here.

 

[Cheshire Cat]

I go to the A&H taproom on the Bermondsey Mile a few times a year. I'm not really much of a Stout drinker though (only exception I make is the Kernel Brewery Oat

Me and my son on the Bermondsey Beer mile 2021.

 

[HM-2]

Not done an English IPA in a while so decided to knock one out today. Using up some old Harlequin and Olicana I've had kicking around for about three years.

50 IBU with 30 and 15 minute additions, 4g/L whirlpool and 5g/L dry hop. MO base with few percent of Munich II and T50 crystal plus about 600g of golden syrup.

British Pub Ale for fermentation. Hoping for 1.008 from 1.055 for a nice dry 6%.

 

[Miraculix]

Not done an English IPA in a while so decided to knock one out today. Using up some old Harlequin and Olicana I've had kicking around for about three years.

50 IBU with 30 and 15 minute additions, 4g/L whirlpool and 5g/L dry hop. MO base with few percent of Munich II and T50 crystal plus about 600g of golden syrup.

British Pub Ale for fermentation. Hoping for 1.008 from 1.055 for a nice dry 6%.

The hop regime doesn't sound very British to me tbh.

 

[HM-2]

The hop regime doesn't sound very British to me tbh.

It isn't in its timing sure; it's my West Coast hopping regime dialled back a bit (well, a lot, as I often dry hop north of 12g/L).

 

[Northern_Brewer]

The hop regime doesn't sound very British to me tbh.

I guess the riposte to that is - Harlequin is not a very "British" hop so maybe needs a different approach.

TBH since you left there's been a new style evolving commercially which features a mix of hops led by Harlequin and/or Ernest and relatively strong - 4.5-6% and on cask. It's so new it doesn't really have a name yet, but HM-2's recipe sounds bang on for it.

 

[Miraculix]

I guess the riposte to that is - Harlequin is not a very "British" hop so maybe needs a different approach.

TBH since you left there's been a new style evolving commercially which features a mix of hops led by Harlequin and/or Ernest and relatively strong - 4.5-6% and on cask. It's so new it doesn't really have a name yet, but HM-2's recipe sounds bang on for it.

Thanks for the heads-up. Is it any good?

 

[Miraculix]

It isn't in its timing sure; it's my West Coast hopping regime dialled back a bit (well, a lot, as I often dry hop north of 12g/L).

Hahaha and I'm being here more like ... "Woooo dude... 5g per litre, better turn it down a notch and not overdo it..."



I guess habits can differ quite a bit.

 

[Northern_Brewer]

Thanks for the heads-up. Is it any good?

Yeah - well, it's kinda what you expect from a Harlequin and/or Ernest-heavy beer.

Hahaha and I'm being here more like ... "Woooo dude... 5g per litre, better turn it down a notch and not overdo it..."

I must admit, I don't think too much about my g/l rates, my ordinary beers are just bittering plus a 100g pack of hops, into somewhere between 12-20 litres.

Works for me

 

[Miraculix]

Yeah - well, it's kinda what you expect from a Harlequin and/or Ernest-heavy beer.

I must admit, I don't think too much about my g/l rates, my ordinary beers are just bittering plus a 100g pack of hops, into somewhere between 12-20 litres.

Works for me

Uff, that's a lot. Maybe I should start trying that at least once. I brew usually at least two batches with one 100g pack. But I'm doing 17 l batches.

Btw. Update on the mango madness, I got the kveik twang now from it. It's also a bit too thin and there's no mango. Is a kveik. Not 100% clear yet, but I think this is not one of my favourites. Nottingham on it's own would have been much better. Even us05 world be better I think.

 

[Erik the Anglophile]

Not anything brewed but I harvested my hops yesterday. Only one plant actually produced cones this year. One barely grew and the other one got so stressed it became a hermaphrodite.

This dry, cold spring and really dry July was a catastrophe for commercial hop growing I can imagine...

 

[Northern_Brewer]

Not anything brewed but I harvested my hops yesterday. Only one plant actually produced cones this year. One barely grew and the other one got so stressed it became a hermaphrodite.

This dry, cold spring and really dry July was a catastrophe for commercial hop growing I can imagine...

I get the impression that Kent was rescued in the nick of time by the bit of rain in late July, but I've seen reports out of Herefordshire talking about 50% loss of yield. August has been really sunny which should help flavour development.

I was away from home for much of the drought and my plant was really badly hit by aphids at the same time, so I'm not going to get much of a crop.

Sounds like it's not been easy on the Continent, their irrigation has worked quite well but pest problems, particularly aphids and spider mite, have been bad if the growers didn't catch them in time.

 

[An Ankoù]

Only one plant actually produced cones this year. One barely grew and the other one got so stressed it became a hermaphrodite.

There are times I've been really stressed. I mean really, climbing-up-the-walls-and-running-across-the-ceiling stressed. Biting the head off a chicken stressed.
But I don't think I've ever become a hermaphrodite!