Conan x WLP644 hybrid

[user 204491]

Damn, crisis averted!

Also, after just finding https://www.homebrewtalk.com/yeast-harvesting-novel-approach.html I'm planning on harvesting more of this yeast for future use once I step this up to one liter.

Even though I'm still relatively new to homebrewing, I'm really trying to dial in my process and be more efficient and of course save money. I've always used first generation yeasts for all my beers and never harvested, rinsed, washed, or otherwise. Now after reading this article, I will be doing this for virtually all my yeasts. Although...eventually SWMBO may get upset at all her fridge space I'm occupying. Oh well, she likes beer and likes my beer so all good!

That's more or less the process I follow to harvest and re-use yeast. It's as simple as making a starter, and you end up with very clean un-stressed yeast.

I generally make 3L starters, pitch 2L into my beer, and harvest 2-500ml jars for future use.

The next time I use that particular yeast I just use one of the 500ml jars to make a 2L starter. Then the next time I use it I use that last 500ml jar to make a 3L starter again.

I'm up to generation 10 or so on things I use often like WLP001.

 

[TravelingLight]

That's more or less the process I follow to harvest and re-use yeast. It's as simple as making a starter, and you end up with very clean un-stressed yeast.

I generally make 3L starters, pitch 2L into my beer, and harvest 2-500ml jars for future use.

The next time I use that particular yeast I just use one of the 500ml jars to make a 2L starter. Then the next time I use it I use that last 500ml jar to make a 3L starter again.

I'm up to generation 10 or so on things I use often like WLP001.

Side bar: Are you using a 3L erlenmeyer flask for your starters? I can't find one on Amazon but, admittedly, I have not checked the homebrew websites. I'd like to find a 3L flask to do bigger starters for this method.

 

[user 204491]

Side bar: Are you using a 3L erlenmeyer flask for your starters? I can't find one on Amazon but, admittedly, I have not checked the homebrew websites. I'd like to find a 3L flask to do bigger starters for this method.

I use a 2L "generic" erlenmeyer flask for my 2L starters and a 5L for everything else.

This is one of the places that I've found the generic ones to be better than the Pyrex ones (unless you plan to actually heat your starter wort in the flask) as the Pyrex ones seem to hold almost exactly 2L, while the generics have enough room to hold 2L and not overflow.

This is the 2L flask I use for my 2L starters.

 

[TravelingLight]

I use a 2L "generic" erlenmeyer flask for my 2L starters and a 5L for everything else.

This is one of the places that I've found the generic ones to be better than the Pyrex ones (unless you plan to actually heat your starter wort in the flask) as the Pyrex ones seem to hold almost exactly 2L, while the generics have enough room to hold 2L and not overflow.

This is the 2L flask I use for my 2L starters.

Awesome man, thanks for the link. I will be ordering that one!

Also, Kris got back to me re: ice packs. Glad I got in touch with him in time! I sent him some more euros to cover ice packs and priority shipping. He's super responsive, great guy and easy to work with. Can't wait to try this yeast! My brewing partner is going to use some too so we can get some great tasting notes from it.

 

[m00ps]

So, Kris has been sending out 2 different isolates. I have no idea what the fukc im talking about here with the terminiology and genetics so bare with me.

I stepped up both, and will be making an IPA this weekend with the first one. I plan to try out the F1in an actual brew in another few weeks. I tasted the starter wort from both yesterday in my step-up starters to harvest from

F1 - this is the main hybrid of the two. I do get more apricot/peach flavors from this, but I also got a lot of what tasted like pineapple to me. It floccs a bit less than the second.

F1/C4 - this is one that he spliced or something to attenuate a bit faster but mentioned it was a bit less fruity. To me, this actually smelled fruitier, but had less flavor than the other. Didnt have the pineapple, but had the peachy flavors like conan. I cant comment as to how fast it attenuated compared to the pure one, since I had to do this one in a brown growler and could not see much

from the other descriptions, Im wondering if he or I got the 2 switched up somehow. But either way, I will pick out a favorite and probably continually use that

 

[suregork]

So, Kris has been sending out 2 different isolates. I have no idea what the fukc im talking about here with the terminiology and genetics so bare with me.

I stepped up both, and will be making an IPA this weekend with the first one. I plan to try out the F1in an actual brew in another few weeks. I tasted the starter wort from both yesterday in my step-up starters to harvest from

F1 - this is the main hybrid of the two. I do get more apricot/peach flavors from this, but I also got a lot of what tasted like pineapple to me. It floccs a bit less than the second.

F1/C4 - this is one that he spliced or something to attenuate a bit faster but mentioned it was a bit less fruity. To me, this actually smelled fruitier, but had less flavor than the other. Didnt have the pineapple, but had the peachy flavors like conan. I cant comment as to how fast it attenuated compared to the pure one, since I had to do this one in a brown growler and could not see much

from the other descriptions, Im wondering if he or I got the 2 switched up somehow. But either way, I will pick out a favorite and probably continually use that

Cool! I'm quite certain that no mix-up has happened at my end, but of course there is always a small possibility Both strains should be quite similar in aroma profile, so it would probably quite difficult to ID them just by the aroma. The F1 hybrid tends to be a quicker starter, but it doesn't dry out the beer as much as F1/C4. F1/C4 is a bit slower to start but then ferments much faster that F1 and reaches a lower FG. F1/C4 also seems to flocculate slightly better than F1. So based on your descriptions I don't think you have the strains mixed up. Good luck with your brewing! I'd love to hear some tasting notes once your beer is done!

Unfortunately I'm now out of vials, but I will probably be cultivating up another batch of the yeast in the near future if there are more people that want to try it out!

 

[BaylessBrewer]

What method is everyone using to extract the slurry from the centrifuge tubes? Since they are only 2ml I would like to safely (without risk of contamination) get as much out and into my starter as possible when my slurry arrives.

 

[TravelingLight]

For those of you not stepping this up as soon as you get it, i.e., not immediately brewing a beer for it, are you just keeping the 2ml tubes in the fridge until you're ready to step up? Or are y'all stepping up then storing?

 

[m00ps]

For those of you not stepping this up as soon as you get it, i.e., not immediately brewing a beer for it, are you just keeping the 2ml tubes in the fridge until you're ready to step up? Or are y'all stepping up then storing?

I'd definitely start propagating it either for a beer or storage. I was worried it might be so tuckered out after the hot weather and customs that the stress may change its properties if I waited too long.

I got mine 2 weeks before I wanted to brew with it so I started it up, then separated it into a big starter to use and a small one to just harvest. I've been decanting and pitching new wort on the brew one a few times to try and build it up more.

 

[m00ps]

What method is everyone using to extract the slurry from the centrifuge tubes? Since they are only 2ml I would like to safely (without risk of contamination) get as much out and into my starter as possible when my slurry arrives.

I dumped mine into my starter, then sprayed a few spritzes of starsan into it and shook it up to get any remaining

 

[Jwin]

I'd definitely start propagating it either for a beer or storage. I was worried it might be so tuckered out after the hot weather and customs that the stress may change its properties if I waited too long.

I got mine 2 weeks before I wanted to brew with it so I started it up, then separated it into a big starter to use and a small one to just harvest. I've been decanting and pitching new wort on the brew one a few times to try and build it up more.

Can't wait to hear your opinion on these strains m00ps.
If willing and able, I'd kick up some bones to get some slurry down I24. Figured 2 hours down 24 is better than half way around the world in late July.
Happy brewing. Subbed.

 

[TravelingLight]

I'd definitely start propagating it either for a beer or storage. I was worried it might be so tuckered out after the hot weather and customs that the stress may change its properties if I waited too long.

I got mine 2 weeks before I wanted to brew with it so I started it up, then separated it into a big starter to use and a small one to just harvest. I've been decanting and pitching new wort on the brew one a few times to try and build it up more.

Good call. It'll likely be about 4 weeks until I'm ready to brew with this. Trying to decide if I should go your route and just keep the brew batch going until I'm ready (and harvesting a smaller amount for storage). Or, in the alternative, step it up to 2L then split it in jars and store in the fridge (then make a new starter in 4 weeks or whenever I'm ready to brew with it). Thoughts?

 

[DemonsRun]

Two of my favorite yeasts. Imperial Org. Yeast released a blend of these two they call "DryHop" (A24), but an actual hybrid should give more consistent results, This sounds great.

 

[Ruckusz28]

This sounds comparable to A24 "Dry Hop" from Imperial Organic Yeast. It's a blend of Conan and Sacc. Trois

 

[BaylessBrewer]

What is the average shipping time from Finland to Mid-West? (St.Louis,MO) Kristoffer said he was shipping this past Monday so it's only been 6days but I'm a little excited to get to work with this strain.

 

[TravelingLight]

What is the average shipping time from Finland to Mid-West? (St.Louis,MO) Kristoffer said he was shipping this past Monday so it's only been 6days but I'm a little excited to get to work with this strain.

I've been wondering the same thing (mine shipped Monday as well, I'm on the east coast). I saw m00ps mention in another thread his took two weeks to get to the east coast (where I am as well). So probably around two weeks? I've been staying at my old lady's a lot lately so I keep going by my house after work to see if it's come so I don't let it sit outside in our 100+ degree weather.

 

[BaylessBrewer]

I've been wondering the same thing (mine shipped Monday as well, I'm on the east coast). I saw m00ps mention in another thread his took two weeks to get to the east coast (where I am as well). So probably around two weeks? I've been staying at my old lady's a lot lately so I keep going by my house after work to see if it's come so I don't let it sit outside in our 100+ degree weather.

Did you get any kind of tracking number?
Temps are supposed to go back down to high 80's low 90's here this week so hopefully it comes before they run back up. Good thing is my wife is a stay at home mom so I can have her throw it in the fridge for me as soon as it gets here.

 

[TravelingLight]

Did you get any kind of tracking number?
Temps are supposed to go back down to high 80's low 90's here this week so hopefully it comes before they run back up. Good thing is my wife is a stay at home mom so I can have her throw it in the fridge for me as soon as it gets here.

No, didn't get a tracking number. You should be fine if you get it in the fridge as soon as you get it. I'm going to go ahead and start stepping mine up within 24 hours or so of getting it. I'm not ready to use it quite yet but I'm going to go ahead and step up and split into smaller jars and store in the fridge until I'm ready. So I can give them a nice little wake up after traveling so far.

 

[suregork]

Sorry, I wasn't able to get tracking numbers for the package with the low shipping price that was offered. Usually shipments to the US have taken around 5-7 business days to reach the destitation with priority shipping, so hopefully they should be with you soon! If the yeast doesn't survive the shipping, let me know and I'll make sure to send you some more

 

[BaylessBrewer]

No, didn't get a tracking number. You should be fine if you get it in the fridge as soon as you get it. I'm going to go ahead and start stepping mine up within 24 hours or so of getting it. I'm not ready to use it quite yet but I'm going to go ahead and step up and split into smaller jars and store in the fridge until I'm ready. So I can give them a nice little wake up after traveling so far.

That's kind of my plan too. I ordered some 500ml Erlenmeyer flasks for stepping these up and they should be here Wed-Thurs. I'll probably go 200ml, 500ml, 1000ml and then 2000ml and pour that off into 500ml jars for using, storing and sharing.

 

[BaylessBrewer]

Sorry, I wasn't able to get tracking numbers for the package with the low shipping price that was offered. Usually shipments to the US have taken around 5-7 business days to reach the destitation with priority shipping, so hopefully they should be with you soon! If the yeast doesn't survive the shipping, let me know and I'll make sure to send you some more

I didn't assume we would receive tracking for the price paid. So long as it gets here that's all that matters to me.
Thank you for your kindness and willingness to share these yeasts with those of us in other parts of the world! I'll update with progress reports as they come. I'm pretty excited so it shouldn't be long!

 

[TravelingLight]

Sorry, I wasn't able to get tracking numbers for the package with the low shipping price that was offered. Usually shipments to the US have taken around 5-7 business days to reach the destitation with priority shipping, so hopefully they should be with you soon! If the yeast doesn't survive the shipping, let me know and I'll make sure to send you some more

No worries at all brother! I'll let you know when mine arrive.

 

[m00ps]

pitched my F1 yeast thing morning. I'm not doing a split batch or anything between it and Conan, the F1/C4 hybrid, or some other yeast since I don't have the capacity for 10gal. But it is a staple recipe I've done a number of times with little changes.

I'm planning on using the F1/C4 in something else in a few weeks. Im thinking maybe a farmhouse IPA mixed with something else. It won't give me conclusive results as to how it compares, but the smell I got from the starters made me think it would go great with a saison yeast and some tropical hops

 

[Zelcs]

Any chance to get this hybrid for testing? I will write an e-mail.

 

[TravelingLight]

Just got mine in the mail, gents. Hopefully start stepping them up this weekend.

 

[BaylessBrewer]

Just got mine in the mail, gents. Hopefully start stepping them up this weekend.

Oh man I'm jealous!! Mail hasn't come yet but I'm hoping mine shows today too!

 

[TravelingLight]

Need yalls advice...

I got mine in the mail today. Shipped last Monday. That's 11 days in transit. I got the ice pack but obviously it wasn't still frozen. It was thrown in the fridge within hours of getting to my mailbox (it's hot as balls here btw). I can start stepping up until Sunday (48 hours from now). If you were in my shoes would you keep it in the fridge until Sunday or leave it at room temp on the counter? It's in the fridge now. Thanks.

 

[BaylessBrewer]

My yeast arrived today but unfortunately they didn't survive international shipping[emoji30][emoji30][emoji22][emoji22]
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[suregork]

That sucks as I wrote in the PM I'll send you new ones! I guess the big temperature changes has caused some pressure buildup. Also I tried a different type of vials for this round, and they don't seem to be as suitable as the old type. If this happened to someone else, let me know!

 

[BaylessBrewer]

That sucks as I wrote in the PM I'll send you new ones! I guess the big temperature changes has caused some pressure buildup. Also I tried a different type of vials for this round, and they don't seem to be as suitable as the old type. If this happened to someone else, let me know!

Thank you!!!!!! Our postal carriers on this side of the pond have a reputation of being a little rough with packages so that could've been part of the problem.
Hopefully the new ones arrive safe and sound!