Conan x WLP644 hybrid

[chrilr]

Just got mine on Tuesday, both look fine.
Going to try it in a 50 ibu pale ale with mosaic, nelson and citra

 

[TheHairyHop]

I pitched mine today into about half a bottle worth of wort and will step them up in time. My F1 vial was on the low side, maybe a leak? If it doesn't work out, does anyone have a clean batch of F1 they'd consider mailing after a PayPal "donation"?

 

[sjfischr]

I agree that this sounds like Imperial A24 in terms of attenuation, flocculation, and flavor profile. Imperial is only available in a few stores unfortunately.

Just finished a brew with A24, and had consistent results. 82% attenuation, juicy backbone. The malt was 80% 2-row, 8% flaked wheat, 5% Crystal, and 8% dextrose. Really accentuated the hop characters from Mosaic, Columbus, and Amarillo in the boil/whirlpool, and Mosaic/Galaxy in the dry hop.

View attachment ImageUploadedByHome Brew1470784016.701055.jpg

This sounds comparable to A24 "Dry Hop" from Imperial Organic Yeast. It's a blend of Conan and Sacc. Trois

 

[sjfischr]

[Duplicate Post]

 

[user 204491]

I agree that this sounds like Imperial A24 in terms of attenuation, flocculation, and flavor profile. Imperial is only available in a few stores unfortunately.

Just finished a brew with A24, and had consistent results. 82% attenuation, juicy backbone. The malt was 80% 2-row, 8% flaked wheat, 5% Crystal, and 8% dextrose. Really accentuated the hop characters from Mosaic, Columbus, and Amarillo in the boil/whirlpool, and Mosaic/Galaxy in the dry hop.

View attachment 365657

Nice looking beer! Again, just to be clear though the Imperial A24 and others that folks have mentioned are yeast blends. What we're talking about here are yest genetic hybrids.

Ideally the hybrids should give you more consistent results than the blends, as in the blend one of the strains could outpace the other.

 

[TravelingLight]

I really can't decide what to brew with these two guys. After finally having my first NEIPA, I'm thinking about going that route. Never made an NEIPA before...

 

[BaylessBrewer]

I really can't decide what to brew with these two guys. After finally having my first NEIPA, I'm thinking about going that route. Never made an NEIPA before...

My F1 didn't survive the trip but what was left of the F1/C4 is now fully built up and ready to brew with! Hopefully some new F1 will arrive soon.
My plan is to brew a pretty basic blonde ale first to see what kind of yeast character I can pick up and then play off that in a NEIPA. Plan is to do the same with F1 and then compare the results from all 4 batches.

 

[user 204491]

Yeah, my recommendation here would be to start with something very simple here and do a split batch (or 2 batches of the same beer) so you can pitch the F1 in one and the F1C4 in another. Then you can get an idea of the differences between the two and plan further brews for them.

I did a very basic Golden Promise/Galaxy SMaSH for my first one and was quite pleased with the results. See Kristoffer's previous post on my results if you're interested.

 

[TravelingLight]

When y'all started stepping these up, how much lag time did you see before krausen started kicking up?

 

[BaylessBrewer]

When y'all started stepping these up, how much lag time did you see before krausen started kicking up?

F1/C4 took about 36hr but I didn't have it on the stirplate. 200ml
F1 I do have on the stirplate also 200 ml and it showed life in about 20hr. The first hour I ran the speed on med/hi to aerate and then turned it down to low to maintain a healthy vortex.
I will be brewing with these this coming week and I'm quiet excited. F1/C4 smelled very promising once it was built up at the 1500ml level!!! F1 is currently on stage one so we'll see how it comes along over the next couple days and steps. Planning on brewing a pale ale with the F1/C4 using cascade and centennial hops I harvested from my plants this week. F1 will be used in a NE IPA that I will be using Citra,Mosaic, and Galaxy in copious amounts in hop stand and a 2 stage dry hop. [emoji482]

 

[TravelingLight]

F1/C4 took about 36hr but I didn't have it on the stirplate. 200ml
F1 I do have on the stirplate also 200 ml and it showed life in about 20hr. The first hour I ran the speed on med/hi to aerate and then turned it down to low to maintain a healthy vortex.
I will be brewing with these this coming week and I'm quiet excited. F1/C4 smelled very promising once it was built up at the 1500ml level!!! F1 is currently on stage one so we'll see how it comes along over the next couple days and steps. Planning on brewing a pale ale with the F1/C4 using cascade and centennial hops I harvested from my plants this week. F1 will be used in a NE IPA that I will be using Citra,Mosaic, and Galaxy in copious amounts in hop stand and a 2 stage dry hop. [emoji482]

Excellent! I started mine last night in about 125ml of 1.020 wort. No stir plate, but will go on the plate when I step it up to larger quantities.

Care to share your NEIPA recipe? I've never done an NEIPA and want to do one with these guys. And I was looking at citra for sure, and considering mosaic and galaxy as well (haven't brewed with galaxy yet). I'm considering a similar approach as well, small bittering charge, then everything else after flameout and dry hop.

FWIW, both of these slurries smelled fantastic when I opened them up to pitch last night.

 

[TheHairyHop]

When y'all started stepping these up, how much lag time did you see before krausen started kicking up?

honestly, I noticed a krausen almost within three or so hours. my starters have been very vigorous. I did beer bottle -> 1000 ml -> 1500 ml

 

[TravelingLight]

honestly, I noticed a krausen almost within three or so hours. my starters have been very vigorous. I did beer bottle -> 1000 ml -> 1500 ml

You went beer bottle (300ish ml?) straight to 1000? That's encouraging. I was planning on going from ~125 ml, to 500, to 1000, to 1500.

 

[BaylessBrewer]

Excellent! I started mine last night in about 125ml of 1.020 wort. No stir plate, but will go on the plate when I step it up to larger quantities.



Care to share your NEIPA recipe? I've never done an NEIPA and want to do one with these guys. And I was looking at citra for sure, and considering mosaic and galaxy as well (haven't brewed with galaxy yet). I'm considering a similar approach as well, small bittering charge, then everything else after flameout and dry hop.



FWIW, both of these slurries smelled fantastic when I opened them up to pitch last night.

Let me know if this works. Using my mobile so it may or may not work.
http://www.brewersfriend.com/homebrew/recipe/export/text/390763

 

[TravelingLight]

Let me know if this works. Using my mobile so it may or may not work.
http://www.brewersfriend.com/homebrew/recipe/export/text/390763

Yep! Had to copy and paste the link, but still got it. Thanks. Now I'm thinking of tweaking my grist to something along these lines. You've brewed this one before? I haven't done an NEIPA yet. Actually just had my first true NEIPAs recently when a buddy got a massive haul of Trillium fresh hops. Now I NEED to make one.

 

[TheHairyHop]

You went beer bottle (300ish ml?) straight to 1000? That's encouraging. I was planning on going from ~125 ml, to 500, to 1000, to 1500.

Yea, there was plenty of slurry in the bottom of the bottles and there sure is a lot sitting at the bottom of the 1500 phase atm. I started that yesterday

 

[BaylessBrewer]

Yep! Had to copy and paste the link, but still got it. Thanks. Now I'm thinking of tweaking my grist to something along these lines. You've brewed this one before? I haven't done an NEIPA yet. Actually just had my first true NEIPAs recently when a buddy got a massive haul of Trillium fresh hops. Now I NEED to make one.

Yep tried and true. A little modified but still very close to the original recipe posted by Braufessor. It's a long on going discussion in the recipe section. Look for "Northeast" IPA in the Ales recipe section. Should be close to the top.

 

[TravelingLight]

Yep tried and true. A little modified but still very close to the original recipe posted by Braufessor. It's a long on going discussion in the recipe section. Look for "Northeast" IPA in the Ales recipe section. Should be close to the top.

Fantastic. You've just made my decision for me. This is the grist I'm going with.

 

[TravelingLight]

Had krausen this morning on F1 (that's about a 36 hour lag time, for anyone interested). Nothing yet on F1/C4, but I'm hoping I'll see something when I get home from work tonight.

ETA: I'll probably go into 500ml next. Then to 1500 after that.

 

[user 204491]

From Kristoffer re-posting my Milk the Funk post back on page 2:

I stepped them up from the small vials he sent going 50ml > 100ml > 250ml >1L. From there I harvested 2 - 500ml jars of each of the F1 and F1C4 variants.

...

As far as fermentation goes, I noticed the same thing when fermenting the beers as I did when stepping up the samples and making my starters for this batch - the F1C4 variant seemed to lag about 12-16 hours or so behind the F1 variant in terms of showing signs of fermentation, but then it caught up pretty quickly, produced a larger krausen, and finished quickly and slightly lower than the F1 variant. For this split batch the F1 finished at 1.012 and the F1C4 finished at 1.010.

------

From those first 2 - 500ml jars I wound up with I gave 1 to a friend and then used the other to make a 2L starter. I used 1L for a 3 gallon batch and then again harvested 2 - 500ml jars for future use.

I noticed signs of fermentation pretty quickly even at the smaller stages, and that was after my wife stuck the original package in the freezer for a good 12-18 hours :smack:

Right now I'm propping up samples of Kristoffer's Lachancea Fermentati strain which is a yeast that produces lactic acid as well as ethanol and CO2

I've got a sour blonde with apricots dry-hopped with Citra and Amarillo going with the F1 varaint of this, this weekend I'm brewing a NEPA using the F1 variant, and then I'm going to do a pale ale with the F1C4 shortly.

 

[TravelingLight]

From Kristoffer re-posting my Milk the Funk post back on page 2:

I stepped them up from the small vials he sent going 50ml > 100ml > 250ml >1L. From there I harvested 2 - 500ml jars of each of the F1 and F1C4 variants.

...

As far as fermentation goes, I noticed the same thing when fermenting the beers as I did when stepping up the samples and making my starters for this batch - the F1C4 variant seemed to lag about 12-16 hours or so behind the F1 variant in terms of showing signs of fermentation, but then it caught up pretty quickly, produced a larger krausen, and finished quickly and slightly lower than the F1 variant. For this split batch the F1 finished at 1.012 and the F1C4 finished at 1.010.

------

From those first 2 - 500ml jars I wound up with I gave 1 to a friend and then used the other to make a 2L starter. I used 1L for a 3 gallon batch and then again harvested 2 - 500ml jars for future use.

I noticed signs of fermentation pretty quickly even at the smaller stages, and that was after my wife stuck the original package in the freezer for a good 12-18 hours :smack:

Right now I'm propping up samples of Kristoffer's Lachancea Fermentati strain which is a yeast that produces lactic acid as well as ethanol and CO2

I've got a sour blonde with apricots dry-hopped with Citra and Amarillo going with the F1 varaint of this, this weekend I'm brewing a NEPA using the F1 variant, and then I'm going to do a pale ale with the F1C4 shortly.

Excellent! I plan on stepping up to 1500 then harvesting three 500ml jars to keep one, and give the other two to brewing buddies for their reviews.

 

[jessup]

I want to play your reindeer games! Been following this thread & looking forward to some reviews. This is pretty awesome

 

[TheHairyHop]

Interesting that my F1 appears to flocc more readily than the F1C4 (ignore the erroneous label haha).

the behavior repeated for the next step up

 

[TravelingLight]

Got mine going. Interestingly enough, one of them was right about a 12 hour lag time behind the other one. I *think* that was the F1 lagging behind the F1/C4 (can't remember exactly and forgot to note it). Noticed the same lag when I stepped up to 500ml last night. These ladies smell amazing though.

 

[TheHairyHop]

mine smell primarily of belgian esters. I seem to be unable to coax peach out of yeast that supposedly can make it

 

[Jwin]

mine smell primarily of belgian esters. I seem to be unable to coax peach out of yeast that supposedly can make it

I think the peach from Conan is more pronounced when under pitched.

 

[chrilr]

I just tried mine that was a split between F1 and us05. The 05 was more bitter and clean. The F1 was less bitter and fruitier, maybe peachy but it had a large flame out addition of mosaic, Nelson and amarillo.

 

[TheHairyHop]

Interesting that my F1 appears to flocc more readily than the F1C4 (ignore the erroneous label haha).

the behavior repeated for the next step up

well that was a turn of events. my F1 is fluffy, full and tastes of peach and the F1C4 is slightly tart and huge on the pineapple. so much so, I worry that it's infected, but we'll see. there are no other signs of infection. looks like I'm going with F1 on brew day as it more closely aligns with NEIPA characteristics

 

[user 204491]

well that was a turn of events. my F1 is fluffy, full and tastes of peach and the F1C4 is slightly tart and huge on the pineapple. so much so, I worry that it's infected, but we'll see. there are no other signs of infection. looks like I'm going with F1 on brew day as it more closely aligns with NEIPA characteristics

That's pretty much what I continue to experience. F1C4 seems to lag about 12 hours behind the F1, but then it takes off, finishes quicker, and finishes dryer. F1 is like super Conan in terms of being a peachbomb while F1C4 is pineapple.

 

[BaylessBrewer]

I got F1 ready to go for tomorrow. Going to brew a pale ale with 5lbs 2-row, 5lbs Vienna and 8oz rolled oats.
For hops I will be bittering with Warrior and then I will finish and dry hop with homegrown Cascade and Centennial.
Hopefully it turns out a good beer.
It's not what the original plan was but I really want to brew with my homegrown hops so........