Can you Brew It recipe for Firestone Walker Union Jack

[lagavulin]

Did you guys up the hops to get the 82 IBUs? If so which ones?

Beersmith is only giving me 60.4 IBUs. Should I just up the Warrior? Or add to the Cent/Cascade additions?


1.00 oz Warrior [15.80 %] (90 min) Hops 43.0 IBU
0.75 oz Cascade [5.70 %] (30 min) Hops 7.5 IBU
0.50 oz Centennial [11.20 %] (30 min) Hops 9.9 IBU


Cheers!

 

[Lenny2884]

I'm using Columbus as my bittering addition and just upping it. Matt said in the interview that they sometimes use CTZ as bittering so it shouldnt have any noticeable affect on the final product. Just mashed in!

 

[lagavulin]

Thanks Lenny. Upped the Warrior to 1.50 oz for 81.9 IBUs (close enough).

I've got 25 min left on the boil with a gravity of 1.074.

Excited for the 4.0 oz flameout addition.

 

[TimBrewz]

Looking forward to hearing how this comes out for you all. Brewing this next weekend with 2010 hops

 

[Lenny2884]

yea thats about the bitterness I'm going to get. just added my 30 min. additions. Are you doing a 30 min whirlpool?

 

[lagavulin]

Yeah, I'm swirling it around a bit and slowly pumping it to the fermenter. 15 min into it and about half way done.

 

[lagavulin]

Approximately 24 hours after pitch and I'm down to 1.046.

About halfway there.

Pitched @ about 65 degrees and am hovering between 70-72.

 

[EricCSU]

I can testify that if you push the limits of WLP007, it will be very attenuative. I brewed a beer that went from 1063 to 1010 (92% Maris Otter, 4% C-75, 4% carapils and mashed at 147F). I was trying to hit 1012. The beer turned out great, but even drier than I anticipated.

For this reason, I doubt that they use a pure strain of 007. If I was to brew this, I would stick with 002.

Eric

 

[lagavulin]

Glad I went with the 002. I'll report back with my final gravity.

 

[Lenny2884]

I'm just under 24 hours and this thing is blowing off like crazy! Pitched before bed last night and when I woke up this morning it had already been blowing off for several hours. Didn't take a reading but its fermenting happily at 65 right now. Pitched at 63 like Matt said he does. can't wait for this one!

 

[lagavulin]

Hey Lenny, how are you managing the hop additions?

I'm not going to use a secondary so I'm figuring I'll wait till the gravity gets good and low, then add all 4 oz at once and let set for 7 -10 days.

Cold crash and transfer to keg.

 

[Lenny2884]

I'm trying to replicate this one as close as possible so I'm gonna use the 2 dose dry hop that Matt talks about in the interview. I'm going to add the first Cascade and Centennial addition in the primary for 3 days, rack to the secondary, and then add the Cascade, Centennial, Simcoe, Amarillo addition and leave it on that for a week to 10 days depending on my schedule. I've never done a double dry hop so I'm curious to see if it makes a significant impact. I lost a lot of volume through my blowoff unfortunately, they need to make a 6.5 gal better bottle. 6 gallons is too small, but thats a debate for another day.

 

[lagavulin]

Wish I would have popped over to Firestone's website pre-brewing:

The newest member of the Firestone family, Union Jack is the aggressive IPA that you’ve been searching for. Citrus, pineapple, and a full chewy malt profile finish clean on your palate. Over 70 IBUs and 7.5% alcohol by volume, Union Jack won’t have any problem competing with the big India Pale Ales. A beer true to its origins; deeply hopped and bolstered for a long voyage.

STYLE:
American IPA
Alcohol By Volume- 7.5%
Color - 8L (Pale)
IBU- 72 (High)
FERMENTATION:
100% Stainless Steel Fermentation

MALTS:
Premium Two-Row (Metcalf & Kendall varieties)
Munich
Cara Pils
Simpson’s Light Crystal
HOPS: (4 lbs/BBL)
Bittering - Warrior, Simcoe
Late Kettle - Cascade, Centennial
Dry Hops - Amarillo, Cascade, Centennial, Chinook, Simcoe

That's some great information. They basically tell you how to make the beer.


Should have went lower on the IBUs (mine's ~82) and I was too darn efficient; my current ABV is 8.2

I may cold crash the fermenter, as the beer tastes great and may be too dry if I let the yeast continue (I'm at 1.015).

Considering pushing it to a keg and letting it mellow for a month before dry hopping @ around 50ish degrees for a few weeks. Then cold crashing and tapping.

Also, I have Chinook and may add 0.50 oz to the dry hop addition.

 

[Lenny2884]

Laga, what was your final gravity for this. Just checked mine and im at 1.016. Pretty happy with that, might drop another point or two over the next couple days. The sample tasted great. Activity has nearly stopped, gonna give the fermenter a little swirl and see what happens.

 

[lagavulin]

I cold crashed @ 1.015. I didn't want a 8.2 ABV beer to be too dry.

Now I have to decide how best to dry hop.

Leaning towards one 4 oz addition left in my cold storage (approximately 50 degrees) for 1 month. Then transfer to a keg with gelatin, crash and serve.

 

[BigJay13]

I kegged this last night and the beer came out amazing. The hop flavor is outrageous and it is a very drinkable 7.4% beer. I can't wait for it to carb and to create some space in the kegerator for it!

 

[brewhappy]

Well this is my first post on HBT. I've lurked for a while and got a bunch of great information from the site. I took my first taste of my Union Jack Clone last night and it was amazing. The hop aroma and flavor is really pronounced! It was my first brew on my new 3 vessel, 3 burner single tier set up. Had some efficiency issues, my OG was low at 1.062. Fermentation went great, I just used two WLP 002 vials, no starter, ended up at 1.012. I dropped the first dry hop in the secondary, and the second dose in the corny, and left them in there.

 

[Buffman]

I'm trying this tomorrow and just realized I don't have the Caramalt. Can I substitute Crystal 10 or 20?

 

[dstar26t]

Just leave it out. It's only 1.3% of the grain bill. Matt Brynildson said he only uses it for color anyway.

 

[BigJay13]

I'm trying this tomorrow and just realized I don't have the Caramalt. Can I substitute Crystal 10 or 20?

IRC I used Crystal 20 because I didn't have access to caramalt. Came out great.

 

[Lenny2884]

You won't notice a difference using C-10 or 20. There's so much hop character in this beer it overpowers any flavor contributions of the small amount of crystal. This recipe is awesome by the way. Anyone who likes super hoppy beers should give this one a try.

 

[DerBraumeister]

How could I substitute for Simcoe?

Is it a critical factor?

 

[EricCSU]

How could I substitute for Simcoe?

Is it a critical factor?

Simcoe is pretty unique. I can't really think of a substitute.

Eric

 

[Lenny2884]

IMO its not critical. This beer is dominated by the cascade/centennial combination of the boil and double dry hop. The simcoe adds a little hop complexity but will not change the beer if it isn't used. I'd just up the cascade, centennial, and amarillo dry hops accordingly to make up for the loss of simcoe.

 

[DerBraumeister]

Ok thanks.

It seems like many of you are having attenuation problems with this one. I guess that means I can safely repitch 1056 and still get a balanced beer.

 

[Lenny2884]

I stuck to the 145 mash and WLP002 and it attenuated fined. From 1.071 to 1.010. If you use 1056 mash higher.

 

[bolts]

I just kegged a version of this on the same base grain bill and mashing schedule, but different hops. Took it from 1.063 -> 1.011 with WLP002. Granted, I didn't heat my first runnings right away, so it may have been a bit too fermentable.

 

[DerBraumeister]

Ok Ive ordered the stuff for this recipe, will be brewing it next weekend.

But I started summing the dry hop additions up, 176 grams for 6 gallons, thats crazy, can this really be true???!!!

 

[TimBrewz]

Ok Ive ordered the stuff for this recipe, will be brewing it next weekend.

But I started summing the dry hop additions up, 176 grams for 6 gallons, thats crazy, can this really be true???!!!

Yep! I am dry hopping mine in primary right now. 3 oz in primary and 3 oz in secondary. I figure using whole cones (as I am) I will lose about a gallon to the hops. I converted to OZ, and rounded down a bit 1 oz = 28 grams 6oz=168 grams.

It is a buttload of dry hops for sure

BTW, I got a response from Tasty over on Brewing Network, and he confirmed that he used WLP 002, but that WLP 007 is also a good choice. I used 007. I hit 1.012 in 4 days with 007 using the 145/155 mash schedule.

 

[EricCSU]

Yep! I am dry hopping mine in primary right now. 3 oz in primary and 3 oz in secondary. I figure using whole cones (as I am) I will lose about a gallon to the hops. I converted to OZ, and rounded down a bit 1 oz = 28 grams 6oz=168 grams.

It is a buttload of dry hops for sure

BTW, I got a response from Tasty over on Brewing Network, and he confirmed that he used WLP 002, but that WLP 007 is also a good choice. I used 007. I hit 1.012 in 4 days with 007 using the 145/155 mash schedule.

I think that if you do use 007, you should increase the mash temp a few degrees. That has just been the experience that I have had...007 at low mash temps will attenuate like crazy!

Eric