Brewtarget 2.0 Update

[Hermit]

I hate laptops but am finding myself forced to use one. One thing stands out that was not an issue before. The bar with the Brewtarget logo and the donate bar both take up a lot of space. I have to scroll the few fermentables I have because of them.

Used the program for a few years and love it.

 

[mikfire]

I hate laptops but am finding myself forced to use one. One thing stands out that was not an issue before. The bar with the Brewtarget logo and the donate bar both take up a lot of space. I have to scroll the few fermentables I have because of them.

Used the program for a few years and love it.

Which version?

I am randomly guessing that it is v1.2.4? We rebalanced everything around the v2.0 release and there isn't quite as much deadspace.

Mik

 

[Hermit]

Which version?

I am randomly guessing that it is v1.2.4? We rebalanced everything around the v2.0 release and there isn't quite as much deadspace.

Mik

OK. I've switched to Debian Stable from Mandriva. I've considered going to the testing version since stable seems to be lagging in quite a few areas.

 

[mikfire]

OK. I've switched to Debian Stable from Mandriva. I've considered going to the testing version since stable seems to be lagging in quite a few areas.

We offer packages for debian here https://launchpad.net/brewtarget

Mik

 

[Hermit]

We offer packages for debian here https://launchpad.net/brewtarget

Mik

Thanks, but my libc is too old to run the version listed on the site. So, short of taking the chance on upgrading to Jessie..... Last time I tried I mistakenly thought Sid was the testing version. That didn't go well at all.....

 

[brewgar]

With ver. 2.0,2, Boil SG shows 1.000 for all my recipes. How can I get this to show correctly?

 

[WI_Wino]

I'm also seeing some weirdness with boil SG. For any new recipe or older ones that I update, the boil SG is being calculated higher than the OG. Also the calculated batch size field is now returning .5 gallon lower than what it used to. Still digging in to see if I can figure out more details.

EDIT - I'm a moron, I added .5 gallon loss in my equipment profile at some point...

 

[mikfire]

I'm also seeing some weirdness with boil SG. For any new recipe or older ones that I update, the boil SG is being calculated higher than the OG. Also the calculated batch size field is now returning .5 gallon lower than what it used to. Still digging in to see if I can figure out more details.

EDIT - I'm a moron, I added .5 gallon loss in my equipment profile at some point...

So should I ignore all of your post, or just the part about coming in 0.5 gallons lower than expected?

Mik

 

[mikfire]

With ver. 2.0,2, Boil SG shows 1.000 for all my recipes. How can I get this to show correctly?

There is not a lot of information for me to work with here. The only way I can get that to happen is if I mark every grain as "steeped" instead of mashed and I mark everything as a "late addition".

Can you first verify that your mashed grains are marked as "mashed" and not late additions?

If that doesn't fix the problem, I would ask you to go to https://launchpad.net/brewtarget and open a new bug report. If you could export one of your recipes showing the bad behavior and attach it to the bug report, that will help me a lot.

mik

 

[WI_Wino]

So should I ignore all of your post, or just the part about coming in 0.5 gallons lower than expected?

Mik

Well, I don't know about the OG vs. boil SF issue. Here's what I'm seeing. When the "target batch size" is .5 gallons larger than my "calculated batch size", the boil SG is higher than the OG. When I change the "target batch" to match the "calculated" then the OG raises to something greater than the boil SG (to a value which I think it is correct but am not 100% sure).

So I think what the system is doing is calculating "Boil SG" off of the "Target Boil Size" and the "OG" from the "Target Batch Size". But shouldn't the "OG" be calculated off of "end of boil volume"? Not "target batch size"?

What is confusing to me is I created a copy of my equipment profile, removed the .5 gallon kettle to fermenter loss, and adjusted the target batch size to 6 gallons.

Equipment profile 1:

Equipment profile 2:

So I think this should be the same "end of boil volume" as my original equipment profile. Using the same recipe but the different equipment profile I am seeing differences:

Recipe using equipment profile with 5.5 gallon batch size:

Recipe using equipment profile with 6 gallon batch size:

So boil SG, IBUs, and IBU/GU are different, everything else is the same. Recipe XML files attached.

Windows 7, running BrewTarget 2.0.2

View attachment OB - 5-5 gallonxml.xml

View attachment OB - 6 gallon.xml

 

[mikfire]

So boil SG, IBUs, and IBU/GU are different, everything else is the same. Recipe XML files attached.

Windows 7, running BrewTarget 2.0.2

Wicked. The XML files will help. I will dig in and see what I can see.

 

[mikfire]

Windows 7, running BrewTarget 2.0.2

For reasons I am not understanding, the boil SG calculations are paying attention to the kettle to fermenter losses. I will open the bug report and get the change checked in. In the meantime, use the profile without any kettle to fermenter loss.

Thanks for the help in tracking this down.

Mik

 

[nealm]

Let me first say that I am a fan of BrewTarget, it is a great tool. In trying to get the most out of it, I am trying to work with the stored Mash section on the bottom of the screen. In playing with it to learn how it works I have created a bunch of test mashes, but now I can't get rid of them. How does one do this, the minus sign at the bottom does not do it.

 

[gak27]

I must be missing something b/c I can't seem to find 2.0.2 - or at least files that I can run to d/l it - any help out there? Sourceforge is at 2.0.1. Running Win7

 

[stpug]

moved to launchpad

https://launchpad.net/brewtarget/trunk/2.0.2/+download/brewtarget_2.0.2_x86.exe

 

[gak27]

moved to launchpad

https://launchpad.net/brewtarget/trunk/2.0.2/+download/brewtarget_2.0.2_x86.exe

Thanks, I just found it! Interestingly enough, when you go to the "base" launchpad page:

https://launchpad.net/brewtarget

None of the green download buttons on the right are the Windows version; you have to go to the "External Downloads" link...

 

[mikfire]

Let me first say that I am a fan of BrewTarget, it is a great tool. In trying to get the most out of it, I am trying to work with the stored Mash section on the bottom of the screen. In playing with it to learn how it works I have created a bunch of test mashes, but now I can't get rid of them. How does one do this, the minus sign at the bottom does not do it.

I swear I will clean all of this up one day.

You will need to click the mash paddle in the tool bar at the top of the window. When that window opens, select the mash you want to delete in the drop down list, then click the big minus sign next to the list.

Mik

 

[mikfire]

Thanks, I just found it! Interestingly enough, when you go to the "base" launchpad page:

https://launchpad.net/brewtarget

None of the green download buttons on the right are the Windows version; you have to go to the "External Downloads" link...

I think that is because we don't have a Windows build for 2.0.3. Not sure why that is and I will ask.

Mik

 

[mikfire]

Thanks, I just found it! Interestingly enough, when you go to the "base" launchpad page:

https://launchpad.net/brewtarget

None of the green download buttons on the right are the Windows version; you have to go to the "External Downloads" link...

v2.0.3 is now up for Windows.

As a rule, going to http://www.brewtarget.org/download.html should show the latest release for most OSes. It's a bit easier than digging through launchpad.

Mik

 

[Wyrmwood]

When I export to beer.xml, to add an entry to a competition, it says invalid xml. In the past, I just ignored it and manually entered my entries, but this time, I walked through the errors until I got an entry to submit and the issue is that the contents of many of the fields are using non xml characters. I was able to get a valid xml file by using escape sequences, but it would be nice to have these fields go through an escape converter on export.

For example, one field had

Bell’s Winter White Ale

but the apostrophe is not valid xml, it should be

Bell & # 8217 ; s Winter White Ale

*without the spaces, this form evidently converts xml escape characters back to text

 

[mikfire]

When I export to beer.xml, to add an entry to a competition, it says invalid xml. In the past, I just ignored it and manually entered my entries, but this time, I walked through the errors until I got an entry to submit and the issue is that the contents of many of the fields are using non xml characters. I was able to get a valid xml file by using escape sequences, but it would be nice to have these fields go through an escape converter on export.

For example, one field had

Bell’s Winter White Ale

but the apostrophe is not valid xml, it should be

Bell & # 8217 ; s Winter White Ale

*without the spaces, this form evidently converts xml escape characters back to text

I will get a bug report opened on launchpad and look into it. I thought we had fixed this when we did the xml -> database conversion, but apparently not.

Mik

 

[krole]

Since this seems to be the active BrewTarget thread with the developers...

Any idea why the Ubuntu repository doesn't have the latest release? Can you guys make your own PPA instead of install a deb file for the latest release?

 

[mikfire]

Since this seems to be the active BrewTarget thread with the developers...

Any idea why the Ubuntu repository doesn't have the latest release? Can you guys make your own PPA instead of install a deb file for the latest release?

One of us at least.

I try to avoid the build systems if I can. I will ask a few others and see if we can get something posted to brewtarget.org/downloads.

Mik

 

[krole]

One of us at least.

I try to avoid the build systems if I can. I will ask a few others and see if we can get something posted to brewtarget.org/downloads.

Mik

Cool, thanks.

I just think it would be beneficial to everyone in the end. You don't have to tell Ubuntu users to update to the latest if it is in the repository or if there was a PPA. I am not a developor or anything but this is my understanding, and I prefer not using debs directly as I like simple updates.

Oh ya, and thanks for the software!

 

[mikfire]

Since this seems to be the active BrewTarget thread with the developers...

Any idea why the Ubuntu repository doesn't have the latest release? Can you guys make your own PPA instead of install a deb file for the latest release?

I asked. The answer seems to be that Ubuntu won't update a package in stable unless it is fixing a show-stopping kind of bug.

I'm not an ubuntu sort of person, but I think we do have a PPA? https://code.launchpad.net/~brewtarget-devs/+archive/ubuntu/brewtarget gives the details.

Don't grab the v2.1.0 build. It isn't quite ripe yet and will likely do bad things to your database.

Mik

 

[mikfire]

I did some digging and this is an oddity with Qt as far as I can tell. It escapes some characters (like ampersands and greater-than signs) like it should, but it doesn't other characters. The really hard part is figuring out how to fix it.

I'm still working on it, but for right now the best I can offer is don't put XML special characters into the names. Yeah, it isn't really a good answer.

 

[krole]

Thanks for the response, but looks like only 2.1.0 is in the PPA for 14.04 which I am running. I assume because its meant for the devs to use.

sudo apt-cache policy brewtarget
brewtarget:
Installed: (none)
Candidate: 2.1.0-0~20140804~ubuntu14.04.1
Version table:
2.1.0-0~20140804~ubuntu14.04.1 0
500 http://ppa.launchpad.net/brewtarget-devs/brewtarget/ubuntu/ trusty/main amd64 Packages
2.0.2-1 0
500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ trusty/universe amd64 Packages
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status

 

[Wyrmwood]

I did some digging and this is an oddity with Qt as far as I can tell. It escapes some characters (like ampersands and greater-than signs) like it should, but it doesn't other characters. The really hard part is figuring out how to fix it.

I'm still working on it, but for right now the best I can offer is don't put XML special characters into the names. Yeah, it isn't really a good answer.

No worries, now that I understand it, I can at least edit the output. Unfortunately, most of the non-escaped characters are in the style notes

 

[MT2sum]

Brewtarget works and upgrades pretty good in SolydX - (when I can keep that working .... - ....... I spend more time lurking on the SolydX forums trying to fix what I can, instead of using it much) I end up having to use the M$ version more than the Linux version - which, thanks to Mikfire is now working well!! I was never able to do much with any of the *buntu's.

 

[sumbrewindude]

Just a question for the developers -

Is there any way you could add an AAU column to the Hops page? I know it sounds silly, but sometimes it'd be nice/fast to see calculated AAU's for recipes both developed and copied. There's a lot of recipes out there that just list AAU and it'd be nice to add/modify hop additions without doing math on the side.