Beer pours at restaurants (BW3's)

[beerkrump]

I doubt BWW uses Mikasa glassware. A quick search and you can find "similar" glasses advertised to hold from 21 to 23 1/2 oz.

 

[thedigitale]

That's interesting, I wonder what size glass they're using now. My friends and I were actually joking about trying to smuggle a glass out of the place just so we could measure it. I guess I'll never know...

Bring a premeasured 23 ounces of water with you and pour in into the glass after you finish your beer.

 

[Yuri_Rage]

I never said BW3 uses that EXACT glass (or brand). I simply showed an example of a similar glass with 23 oz of water. "Similar" glasses are indeed advertised to hold 23 oz of beer, just like 1L mugs are advertised to hold 1L of beer. The printed 1L line falls short of the rim of the mug. It's POSSIBLE that the 23 oz line falls short of the rim of the glass.

The bottom line: without real data and facts, there is no basis for false advertising.

 

[beerkrump]

Smuggle your 23 oz in the Whizzinator, fill the glass, and hand it to the bartender.

"Now, THAT'S 23 ounces!"

 

[davesrose]

BTW, I'm pretty sure one of their bartenders told me recently that they use nitrogen instead of CO2 to push their beer through the lines. Anyone know if that's standard procedure now?

I thought a lot of places used "beer gas" which is a mixture of Nitrogen and CO2 (it's so that they can use longer or more lines).

 

[Beerrific]

BTW, I'm pretty sure one of their bartenders told me recently that they use nitrogen instead of CO2 to push their beer through the lines. Anyone know if that's standard procedure now?

This is standard for longer runs. This makes sure that they can maintain the proper carbonation, the kegs that sit around for a while will not get over carbonated. (I assume actually it is a blend.)

 

[Cincy_Ron]

Yeah, might have to go back for some investigation. ;-)

Doesn't look like a Mikasa, and there's a lot of glass down at the bottom of that glass!

 

[springer]

Like others have said the Europeans use a standard for beers and booze here is a glass filled to the line

here is the line on back it well more than an inch below the rim

and a shameless pic of my Bitter.

 

[Boerderij_Kabouter]

Yuri and the manager had it right.

This is a classic example of why not to try to be a beer snob.

Your glass likely contained 23 oz. and was poured perfectly. If you want a miller lite filled to the brim for cheap, grab a plastic cup and head to your local college keg party. If you want a real beer, go buy one.

Most beers should be poured down the center of the glass for the exact reason the manager quoted to you, it builds the head, releases CO2, and prepares the beer for the perfect drinking experience. In a lot of Europe, a Pilsner is called a 7 minute pils because it takes that long to properly pour a pils. Pour... allow to settle... pour.... settle... top up.

I am impressed BW3's is taking there beer this seriously int he first place. Good for them. I still don't support chains, but good for them.

 

[Bopper]

and a shameless pic of my Bitter.

Now that's a nice looking libation!

 

[EdWort]

I just checked one of my German Weissbier glasses filled to the rim. It comes out exactly 23 ounces, but Germans fill them with 16.7 and the rest is foam. Of course it has a line right at 0.5L like it should.

BW3 is using a 23 ounce glass at the rim. I would bet a sixer of Haus Ale on it.

 

[EdWort]

Yuri and the manager had it right.

This is a classic example of why not to try to be a beer snob.

Your glass likely contained 23 oz. and was poured perfectly. If you want a miller lite filled to the brim for cheap, grab a plastic cup and head to your local college keg party. If you want a real beer, go buy one.

Most beers should be poured down the center of the glass for the exact reason the manager quoted to you, it builds the head, releases CO2, and prepares the beer for the perfect drinking experience. In a lot of Europe, a Pilsner is called a 7 minute pils because it takes that long to properly pour a pils. Pour... allow to settle... pour.... settle... top up.

I am impressed BW3's is taking there beer this seriously int he first place. Good for them. I still don't support chains, but good for them.

I disagree. Europe uses proper glasses and sells beer in .25L, .33L, .5L, and 1L amounts and the glasses have proper room for head.

BW3 advertises the full capacity of the glass, yet shorts the customer with foam. It's the oldest trick in the beerman's book to boost profits.

 

[Boerderij_Kabouter]

are they really shorting the pours. I don't know, I just assumed that the glassware was a typical piece of bar ware which is sized to receive head. It seems odd to me that a glass designed for beer would not provide room for head...

Then again, this is just one of my many reasons not to support chain restaurants.

 

[Yuri_Rage]

Out of curiosity, I measured a standard American pint glass. 16 oz came to within 1/8" of the rim. That substantiates Ed's post above, but we still don't have factual data to prove it.

 

[Whiskey]

I disagree. Europe uses proper glasses and sells beer in .25L, .33L, .5L, and 1L amounts and the glasses have proper room for head.

BW3 advertises the full capacity of the glass, yet shorts the customer with foam. It's the oldest trick in the beerman's book to boost profits.

I agree 100% with Edworts comment. The glass in the picture, looks like the same size as a Weizen glass, I'd be willing to bet that it is 23 or 25 oz. This is exactly why in England and Germany you will find a fill line on all glasses.

 

[Beerrific]

I just assumed that the glassware was a typical piece of bar ware which is sized to receive head. It seems odd to me that a glass designed for beer would not provide room for head...

It probably is, but is not being used correctly (before the change and in advertisement). It is probably a "0.5L glass" but when filled to the rim it is 23oz. Why would they sell a glass at 23oz? Such a random amount. When BW3 got them, they filled them to the brim like they always do and said "hell, that is 23 oz., bigger than the normal pour, let's advertise that."

They are advertising 23oz pours and giving you 0.5L (or whatever), that is the problem. They are pouring the beer correctly, but offering misleading advertising.

 

[IrregularPulse]

It probably is, but is not being used correctly (before the change and in advertisement). It is probably a "0.5L glass" but when filled to the rim it is 23oz. Why would they sell a glass at 23oz? Such a random amount. When BW3 got them, they filled them to the brim like they always do and said "hell, that is 23 oz., bigger than the normal pour, let's advertise that."

They are advertising 23oz pours and giving you 0.5L (or whatever), that is the problem. They are pouring the beer correctly, but offering misleading advertising.

This is the assumption we are all making without actually measuring the glass.

Isn't anybody off work and live close to a BW3's?!! Take 23 oz's of water, ask for a glass take a picture

 

[davesrose]

are they really shorting the pours. I don't know, I just assumed that the glassware was a typical piece of bar ware which is sized to receive head. It seems odd to me that a glass designed for beer would not provide room for head...
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The main thing I've noticed about glassware with chain restaurants is they optimize the height for *perceived* volume: not mixumum aroma or head. So tall glasses tend to be skinner then the better glassware that HTBers collect.

Just going by the "training" pic, you can see the slight difference in volume between the standard pint glass vs this 23 oz glass. Seeing that it's skinnier and has quite a thick bottom, I'd be surprised if the whole glass is much above 23oz of space.

 

[davesrose]

Isn't anybody off work and live close to a BW3's?!! Take 23 oz's of water, ask for a glass take a picture

This begs another fly in the ointment. Are we going to assume every BW3s have the same glassware?

 

[IrregularPulse]

This begs another fly in the ointment. Are we going to assume every BW3s have the same glassware?

I would say thats' safe to say. it's a chain. They don't open a store, then go to the local WalMart and pickup glasses.
They say, Here's you're kit, It comes with 32 buffalo posters, 3 pool tables, a Golden Tee machine and these glasses. Oh and here are you Pre broken-in filthy beer lines. Please don't ever clean them. But that's another thread

 

[Auspice]

This begs another fly in the ointment. Are we going to assume every BW3s have the same glassware?

Every BW3 I've been to in Ohio does. *shrug*

 

[beerkrump]

Yuri and the manager had it right.

This is a classic example of why not to try to be a beer snob.

Your glass likely contained 23 oz. and was poured perfectly. If you want a miller lite filled to the brim for cheap, grab a plastic cup and head to your local college keg party. If you want a real beer, go buy one.

Most beers should be poured down the center of the glass for the exact reason the manager quoted to you, it builds the head, releases CO2, and prepares the beer for the perfect drinking experience. In a lot of Europe, a Pilsner is called a 7 minute pils because it takes that long to properly pour a pils. Pour... allow to settle... pour.... settle... top up.

I am impressed BW3's is taking there beer this seriously int he first place. Good for them. I still don't support chains, but good for them.

And, then you go and try to explain to THIS forum how to pour a beer?

Bad form.

 

[davesrose]

They are advertising 23oz pours and giving you 0.5L (or whatever), that is the problem. They are pouring the beer correctly, but offering misleading advertising.

One other thing I find ironic about this beer geek topic: sure, a case could be made for just filling enough beer to get a good head. But based on pics that I see, it didn't look like they do a 7 minute pour so that you get a nice, lasting head. This is a busy restaurant. They pour the beer to the rim and then hand it to the waiter because of the turn over.

Either way there is no right or wrong. I'm of the mindset that if they advertising 23 oz, they need to give you 23 oz of beer (and if you're looking for great head, then they need to account for that much extra in their glassware).

 

[olllllo]

This is not a new thing.
http://www.denverpost.com/food/ci_12085049?source=bb

Alworth even made The Wall Street Journal last summer, pointing out that if a consumer orders a pint and gets a 14-ounce glass, that's money in the seller's pocket. The rub comes when a tavern or pub promises "a pint," which, as we all learned in fifth grade, is 16 ounces. Unfortunately, there are fewer saloons using a 16-ounce glass. It is more likely to be a sturdier 14- ounce container, commonly known in the business as a shaker or mixer.


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Charlie Papazian, one of the industry's leading advocates and president of the Boulder-based Brewers Association, has heard it all before. "That issue and that notion about full pints has been around for years." But, he added, "If you're telling people you're getting a pint, you should be getting a pint, not a 14-ounce shaker glass."

 

[olllllo]

I've also read that glass manufacturers are responding to bar requests to add more glass to the bottom to create the illusion of more volume. If I find it, I'll cite it here.

 

[Cincy_Ron]

It probably is, but is not being used correctly (before the change and in advertisement). It is probably a "0.5L glass" but when filled to the rim it is 23oz. Why would they sell a glass at 23oz? Such a random amount. When BW3 got them, they filled them to the brim like they always do and said "hell, that is 23 oz., bigger than the normal pour, let's advertise that."

They are advertising 23oz pours and giving you 0.5L (or whatever), that is the problem. They are pouring the beer correctly, but offering misleading advertising.

I think you're right Beerrific. Looks like I'm going to have to head back for happy hour for some scientific research. A buddy that was with me the other night has agreed we need to get to the bottom of this! :cross:

Not sure how we're going to do it yet, it'd be nice if I could just offer to buy one of their glasses.

 

[davesrose]

Every BW3 I've been to in Ohio does. *shrug*

Well I guess a HBTer from every state should do this experiment so that we see if all BW3s also carry the same glassware as well! From my understanding of franchising, there are varying levels of how much involvement corporate has. Sometimes they try to give the location all the ingredients and supplies from one source....sometimes they don't. Could be Ohio locations can have one source, while Michigan locations have another: only way to truely know is to see.

 

[ytsejam]

Several years ago the was a class action lawsuit in regards to beer pours at some chain.
They were advertising 12oz but serving in 10oz glasses.
I'm not recommending legal action per se, but there is precedent.
Just let me know so I can get in on the suit too.
Maybe we can all score some free glassware or wing sauce or something.

 

[IrregularPulse]

I guess what it all comes down to is.....you're at BW3's drinking a Miller Lite during happy Hour for $3.50. Not your local brew pub enjoying a fine beer for $6-7 bucks. Drink your beer, eat your wings, play your golden tee and pool,, listen to the band, Repeat.

Several years ago the was a class action lawsuit in regards to beer pours at some chain.
They were advertising 12oz but serving in 10oz glasses.
I'm not recommending legal action per se, but there is precedent.
Just let me know so I can get in on the suit too.
Maybe we can all score some free glassware or wing sauce or something.

Put me down for some Spicy Garlic and Asian Zing

 

[EdWort]

I would bet it is a standard $2 Libby glass just like this one.

It's sold as a 23 oz. glass.