Brew_Meister_General
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I'm looking for that horsey flavour but without the sourness that often goes with it, what yeast would you suggest?
Flavor: Medium to high malt flavor often with a toasty, toffee-like or caramel sweetness. Malt flavors and complexity tend to increase as beer color darkens. Low to moderate esters and alcohol flavors. Medium-low hop bitterness provides some support, but the balance is always tilted toward the malt. The finish is medium-dry and malty. Alcohol can provide some additional dryness in the finish. Low to no hop flavor, although paler versions can have slightly higher levels of spicy hop flavor (which can also come from the yeast). Smooth, well-lagered character. No diacetyl.
I think of biere de garde as a slightly toastier than saison grain bill, but with a much cleaner yeast profile, and still that beautiful saison high carbonation.
I'm definitely going for that toasty flavour with vienna and aromatic malts but I also want to get that horsey flavour even if it means just fermenting it as an ale and ending up with a mixed style. Maybe I could do something creative like ferment it at 28c, add some brett and then condition it at 18c.
Biere de Garde is pretty much a malty Saison with a plain yeast. Nothing 'horsey' about it.
Now, some Commercial brewers have been producing what they call Biere de Mars, which uses a Brett in secondary. This is really not to style guidelines, as the Biere de Mars was a beer traditionally drunk in March, and due to cold weather was more of a cleaner lager ferment.
With the 'Horsey' description, I suspect you are looking for the new commercial Biere de Mars style with Brett. Unfortunately you cannot get the favor with a single yeast, and it is not a quick beer to make.
It could definitely come out great. That's the beauty of homebrewing! You want to make that? Go for it. I nice toasty saison-ish beer with brett funk sounds great though. I would try to get the beer down to almost bone dry too. You could maybe try a 3711 fermentation on the cool side, so you get some of that saison spice, but a little more subdued. Then add some brett(not sure what strain, I'm just getting into that stuff). Cold-ish condition for a few months with the brett and see what happens.
No. It is not a saison due it has no sour notes and a malty charakter. Yeast is not the head.Biere de Garde is pretty much a malty Saison with a plain yeast. Nothing 'horsey' about it.
Now, some Commercial brewers have been producing what they call Biere de Mars, which uses a Brett in secondary. This is really not to style guidelines, as the Biere de Mars was a beer traditionally drunk in March, and due to cold weather was more of a cleaner lager ferment.
With the 'Horsey' description, I suspect you are looking for the new commercial Biere de Mars style with Brett. Unfortunately you cannot get the favor with a single yeast, and it is not a quick beer to make.
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