Workhorse Beer Yeast Equivalent Chart (Wyeast/White Labs/Fermentis)

[Sirfrito]

Created a handy chart to allow the use of dry yeast...

https://havencrest-microbrewery.blogspot.com/2016/10/workhorse-beer-yeast-equivalent-chart.html

 

[day_trippr]

I like it! It reminded me I have to give the Fermentis Abbey strain (BE-256) a try to see how close it is to WLP3787 (huge fan of that strain).

Just the tiniest nit: Fermentis American Ale strain is US-05, not SF-05...

Cheers!

 

[secondbase]

T-58 is of DuPont origin?

 

[pdxal]

T-58 is of DuPont origin?

Not sure the OP is saying this, but many of these yeasts listed are far from equivalent. T-58 and Dupont yeast included.
There is a chart from Kristen England on Mr. Malty that does a better job, but doesn't include dry yeasts. If you search, though, there are others with dry yeasts included that do a decent job.

 

[Sirfrito]

Fixed! Thanks!

 

[Sirfrito]

T-58 is of DuPont origin?

They are very similar. Origin is a style guide. I will make that clearer.

http://brulosophy.com/2015/08/10/ye...saison-vs-safbrew-abbaye-exbeeriment-results/

 

[pdxal]

T58 is not remotely similar to Dupont, and the link you posted is a comparison of Belle Saison to Safbrew Abbaye.

 

[Sirfrito]

https://beerandbrewing.com/VP3oWCwAACsAea8Z/article/homebrewing-imperial-saisons

De Struise Brouwers uses it regularly to make their beers.

In terms of origin, it was meant to suggest origin style and I have changed the title to origin similarity. More than one resource besides this table lists it as an effect yeast for a Belgian Saison. The notes seem to have a lot to do with careful understanding and control of fermentation temperature as well as the choice of the grain bill...

 

[Sirfrito]

https://beerandbrewing.com/VP3oWCwAACsAea8Z/article/homebrewing-imperial-saisons

De Struise Brouwers uses it regularly to make their beers.

In terms of origin, it was meant to suggest origin style and I have changed the title to origin similarity. More than one resource besides this table lists it as an effect yeast for a Belgian Saison. The notes seem to have a lot to do with careful understanding and control of fermentation temperature as well as the choice of the grain bill...

https://brewcamp.com/blog/yeast-substitutions/

 

[pdxal]

Have you used both yeasts?
Yes, you can make a saison from both yeasts, but they will be very different.
I have made very similar beers with each and found the yeast strains and resulting beers very different. I would not substitute one for another.
Cheers to you for trying to make a yeast comparison chart, but there are limitations in dry vs. liquid yeast strains and in different manufacturer's yeasts comparisons.

 

[dmtaylor]

This chart is not 100% accurate, but in the ballpark.

I believe K-97 is more like Wyeast 1007.

S-23 may have no equivalent, or remains unknown.

T-58 is not saison. It's a Belgian strain but not saison. If you do want a saison strain, try Danstar/Lallemand Belle Saison, which is equivalent to Wyeast 3711.

Other than that, the chart is a good start I think. We do desperately need a chart like this for the hobby someday, and I'm surprised none has been developed yet that has good accuracy across the board like Kristen England's.

 

[beergolf]

I think it is difficult to say yeasts are equivalent. Even liquid yeasts that are supposed to be from the same source sometimes are much different.

I have heard people say that BRY-97 is the dry equivalent of WY1272. I have used both a lot and they are very different. I have heard the Belle Saison and WY3711 are equivalent. Again I have used both a lot and they give much different flavor profiles. They do share the trait that they will ferment the spoon if you stir too long, but they are definitely different.

So maybe instead of saying they are equivalent, say they are somewhat similar and can be used as a possible substitution.

 

[Sirfrito]

I think it is difficult to say yeasts are equivalent. Even liquid yeasts that are supposed to be from the same source sometimes are much different.

I have heard people say that BRY-97 is the dry equivalent of WY1272. I have used both a lot and they are very different. I have heard the Belle Saison and WY3711 are equivalent. Again I have used both a lot and they give much different flavor profiles. They do share the trait that they will ferment the spoon if you stir too long, but they are definitely different.

So maybe instead of saying they are equivalent, say they are somewhat similar and can be used as a possible substitution.

Good feedback. I intend to side by side blinded tests in the spirit of Brulosophy to more objective report out if folks can tell the difference.

 

[Sirfrito]

Here is a positive experience with T-58 for making a Saison:
http://homebrewmanual.com/brewing-a-saison/