Whitsun clone? American Citrus wheat

[pricelessbrewing]

so I'm in MI, and everyone is always so excited about Oberon. However the other day I ordered another american wheat ale, Whitsun. seems to be the same style, but it's less wheat heavy, more orange-y, less bitter, and a bit smoother.

Has anyone had this, and comfortable enough to take a shot at a clone recipe? Looked around for a bit, and there are some suggested recipes but noone seems to have given any feedback about their results.

 

[pricelessbrewing]

Bump because it's delicious. 56 views, no comments. Anybody have any ideas?

 

[nbolds442]

I am thinking about trying my hand at formulating the recipe, but wanted to know if you found anything/had a jumping off point yet.

 

[ronjonacron]

There is an orange wheat on here that was half 2 row half wheat and like 2 ounces oranges peel at 5 mins. I'll do a side by side with Oberon and see if it's anything close. I also added an ounce of cascade at 20 mins in addition to the 60 min addition.

 

[pricelessbrewing]

I haven't found anything close. Saw some recipes named whitsun on brewtoad, but doesn't look accurate. No mention of zest.

Off the top of my head I would suggest starting with a oberon/titania recipe on here
Maybe lower the wheat a little, raise the 2row to compensate, maybe even carapils or Munich so it's a little sweeter.
Make sure there's some orange, and lemon zest, both sweet and bitter zest.

I'm looking into buying some 1g jugs. I might make some variations and see if I can do some side by side comparisons with some friends in about a month or so once I get my chest freezer hooked up to a stc1000.

 

[ronjonacron]

Orange American Wheat
Brew Type: All Grain
Date: 7/25/2010
Style: American Wheat or Rye Beer
Brewer: Anthony Vaccani
Batch Size: 5.00 gal
Boil Volume: 6.27 gal
Boil Time: 60 min
Actual Efficiency: 80.95 %




Ingredients Amount Item Type % or IBU
0.50 lb Rice Hulls (0.0 SRM) Adjunct 5.26 %
4.00 lb Pale Malt (2 Row) US (2.0 SRM) Grain 42.11 %
4.00 lb White Wheat Malt (2.4 SRM) Grain 42.11 %
0.50 lb Munich Malt (9.0 SRM) Grain 5.26 %
0.50 lb Wheat, Flaked (1.6 SRM) Grain 5.26 %
1.00 oz Hallertauer [3.90 %] (60 min) Hops 13.7 IBU
1.00 oz Hallertauer [3.90 %] (30 min) Hops 10.5 IBU
1.00 tbsp PH 5.2 Stabilizer (Mash 60.0 min) Misc
1.00 items Whirlfloc Tablet (Boil 15.0 min) Misc (optional)
1.00 items Yeast Nutrient (Boil 10.0 min) Misc
2.00 - 3.00 oz Orange Peel, Sweet (Boil 5.0 min) Misc (I used fresh Orange Zest - Adjust according to taste)
1 Pkgs Safale US-05 Dry Ale Yeast

Beer Profile
Measured Original Gravity: 1.055 SG
Measured Final Gravity: 1.010 SG
Estimated Color: 4.2 SRM (3.0-6.0 SRM)
Bitterness: 24.2 IBU (15.0-30.0 IBU)
Alpha Acid Units: 7.8 AAU
Actual Alcohol by Volume: 5.87 %
Actual Calories: 243 cal/pint


Mash Profile Name:
Single Infusion, Medium Body, Batch Sparge Mash Tun Weight: 6.00 lb
Mash Grain Weight: 9.50 lb Mash PH: 5.2 PH
Grain Temperature: 72.0 F Sparge Temperature: 175.0 F
Sparge Water: 3.85 gal

Mash In Add 14.25 qt of water at 164.0 F 154.0 F 75 min

This is a fantastic brew! It is a very easy drinker. Alot of my BMC drinking friends really enjoyed this. This would be great without the Orange Zest as well.

Enjoy!


This is the one I followed mostly .

 

[pricelessbrewing]

Erlking, Lord Herne, or Cernunnos. Haven't decided yet.
Brew Type: All Grain
Date: 4/25/2014
Style: American citrus Wheat, or Belgian honey citrus Wit. Not sure.
Brewer: Priceless
Batch Size: 5.00 gal
Boil Volume: 6.3 gal
Boil Time: 60 min
Actual Efficiency: 75%



Ingredients Amount Item Type % or IBU
4.00 lb Pale Malt (2 Row) US (2.0 SRM) Grain 42.1 %
3.50 lb White Wheat Malt (2.4 SRM) Grain 36.8 %
0.50 lb Munich Malt (9.0 SRM) Grain 5.3 %
0.50 lb Wheat, Flaked (1.6 SRM) Grain 5.3 %
1.0 lb Honey (1.0 SRM) 10.5%


0.5 oz Cascade [5.50 %] (60 min) Hops 10.3 IBU
0.50 oz Hallertauer [3.90 %] (20 min) Hops 4.5 IBU
0.50 oz Liberty [4.3. %] (5 min) Hops 3.2


2.00 Orange Peel, Sweet (Boil 5.0 min) Misc
1.00 Orange peel, Bitter (Boil 5.0 min) Misc
0.50 Coriander Seed (Boil 5.0 min) Misc

For Yeast I was thinking
Belgian Wit Ale (#400 W)
or
American Wheat ale (W1010)


Beer Profile
Measured Original Gravity: 1.055 SG
Measured Final Gravity: 1.008 SG
Estimated Color: 3.9 SRM (3.0-6.0 SRM)
Bitterness: 18 IBU (10.0-20.0 IBU)
Actual Alcohol by Volume: 6.2 %
Actual Calories: 152 cal/pint


Mash Profile Name:
BIAB, Medium Body,
Mash Grain Weight: 8.50 lb Mash PH: 5.2 PH
Grain Temperature: 72.0 F
Sparge Water: 4.85 gal

Mash In Add 28.4 qt of water at 164.0 F 152.0 F 75 min

It looks like it's pretty legit as far as the grains, IBU, ABV, body and ingredient list. The things I'm not sure on are the amounts of zest, coriander, honey, what hops and how much (this is just a guess).

 

[Fuzzymittenbrewing]

Erlking, Lord Herne, or Cernunnos. Haven't decided yet.
Brew Type: All Grain
Date: 4/25/2014
Style: American citrus Wheat, or Belgian honey citrus Wit. Not sure.
Brewer: Priceless
Batch Size: 5.00 gal
Boil Volume: 6.3 gal
Boil Time: 60 min
Actual Efficiency: 75%



Ingredients Amount Item Type % or IBU
4.00 lb Pale Malt (2 Row) US (2.0 SRM) Grain 42.1 %
3.50 lb White Wheat Malt (2.4 SRM) Grain 36.8 %
0.50 lb Munich Malt (9.0 SRM) Grain 5.3 %
0.50 lb Wheat, Flaked (1.6 SRM) Grain 5.3 %
1.0 lb Honey (1.0 SRM) 10.5%


0.5 oz Cascade [5.50 %] (60 min) Hops 10.3 IBU
0.50 oz Hallertauer [3.90 %] (20 min) Hops 4.5 IBU
0.50 oz Liberty [4.3. %] (5 min) Hops 3.2


2.00 Orange Peel, Sweet (Boil 5.0 min) Misc
1.00 Orange peel, Bitter (Boil 5.0 min) Misc
0.50 Coriander Seed (Boil 5.0 min) Misc

For Yeast I was thinking
Belgian Wit Ale (#400 W)
or
American Wheat ale (W1010)


Beer Profile
Measured Original Gravity: 1.055 SG
Measured Final Gravity: 1.008 SG
Estimated Color: 3.9 SRM (3.0-6.0 SRM)
Bitterness: 18 IBU (10.0-20.0 IBU)
Actual Alcohol by Volume: 6.2 %
Actual Calories: 152 cal/pint


Mash Profile Name:
BIAB, Medium Body,
Mash Grain Weight: 8.50 lb Mash PH: 5.2 PH
Grain Temperature: 72.0 F
Sparge Water: 4.85 gal

Mash In Add 28.4 qt of water at 164.0 F 152.0 F 75 min

It looks like it's pretty legit as far as the grains, IBU, ABV, body and ingredient list. The things I'm not sure on are the amounts of zest, coriander, honey, what hops and how much (this is just a guess).

This looks like a good start. Have you tried emailing Arcadia? They are small enough I bet they would at least give you some pointers.

 

[pricelessbrewing]

I just sent an email to one of their brewers, I'll post the reply if I get one. In particular I asked him about the hops, zest, honey, and yeast strain.

 

[pricelessbrewing]

Got a slightly informative response, they use w1187 yeast (ringwood) which appears to be english ale yeast with high flocc and fruity esters.

Also the hops are described as piney, so I'll adjust that. Any suggestions for piney+ hop combinations?

 

[Gunfighter04]

Got a slightly informative response, they use w1187 yeast (ringwood) which appears to be english ale yeast with high flocc and fruity esters.

Also the hops are described as piney, so I'll adjust that. Any suggestions for piney+ hop combinations?

Google Hop Variety Chart, theres' several that show the flavor profiles of hops.

Chinook and Simcoe are labeled as "Evergreen"