This Really Annoys Me Pet Peeve Thread

[TimH]

Wait... are we talking about smoking, or are we talking about second hand smoke?

Because one kills hundreds of thousands per year, and the other is ... bull****.

I think we all agree that smoking kills far more than drunk drivers, but there is a great deal of controversy surrounding allegations that second hand smoke is anything more than a myth.

I was saying that drunk driving kills more than second hand smoke. The correlation between second hand smoke and death can really never be proven use of outside factors as pollution, soccer moms with crazy huge suvs, diesel trucks, blah blah blah but I'm sure second hand smoke doesn't help

 

[kombat]

[Secondhand smoke] kills about 42k per year.

I don't believe it.

The next time you visit your family doctor, ask them how many patients they've ever seen suffering from illnesses the doctor would blame on their smoking (lung/mouth/throat cancers, emphysema, heart disease, whatever). Then ask them how many people that same doctor has ever come across who were suffering from similar ailments, but who weren't smokers, and who blamed their condition on exposure to second hand smoke.

Any doctor will tell you they've never met anyone in the latter category. Seems kind of odd, doesn't it? If there are 42,000 people per year DYING from second hand smoke - 4x more than are killed by drunk drivers - you'd think they could at least think of a handful they've come across during their careers, no?

Or how about even in your own circle? I can think of numerous relatives who were claimed by diseases brought on by their own smoking habits, yet none of my relatives, friends, former classmates, co-workers, celebrities, politicians, athletes, or anyone else I can think of has ever died from anything that could be credibly blamed on second hand smoke.

So who are these 42,000 people per year dying from second hand smoke? Where are they? How come none of us can think of a single person we know who died because of these illnesses?

 

[TimH]

Sure. But the symptoms would be the same. It might take you 5 beers to get there compared to 1 for your wife, but if you're telling the truth, and that would put you both at 0.08, then you'd have comparable levels of delayed reaction time and disorientation. I would hope that at such a level, you would have the wisdom to not get behind the wheel. That's why I took exception to your claim that we've all driven legally drunk. "Legally drunk" is pretty messed up, regardless of how many drinks it took the person to get there.

You might not of known you were LEGELLY drunk but felt fine and drove.

 

[kombat]

You might not of known you were LEGELLY drunk but felt fine and drove.

You missed the entire point of my post.

At 0.06, I felt totally unqualified to drive. I would never get behind the wheel feeling like I did, and yet legally, I was within the limit.

Thus, I don't believe it's possible for a normal person to be EVEN MORE drunk, and yet "feel fine."

 

[MaxStout]

I don't believe it.

The next time you visit your family doctor, ask them how many patients they've ever seen suffering from illnesses the doctor would blame on their smoking (lung/mouth/throat cancers, emphysema, heart disease, whatever). Then ask them how many people that same doctor has ever come across who were suffering from similar ailments, but who weren't smokers, and who blamed their condition on exposure to second hand smoke.

Any doctor will tell you they've never met anyone in the latter category. Seems kind of odd, doesn't it? If there are 42,000 people per year DYING from second hand smoke - 4x more than are killed by drunk drivers - you'd think they could at least think of a handful they've come across during their careers, no?

Or how about even if your own circle? I can think of numerous relatives who were claimed by diseases brought on by their own smoking habits, yet none of my relatives, friends, former classmates, co-workers, or anyone else I can think of has ever died from anything that could be credibly blamed on second hand smoke.

So who are these 42,000 people per year dying from second hand smoke? Where are they? How come none of us can think of a single person we know who died because of these illnesses?

Well...it's the CDC...bunch of egghead doctors and scientists. What do they know?

If you have some scientifically-researched, empirical data that proves otherwise, I'm all ears.

 

[TheCADJockey]

Well...it's the CDC...bunch of egghead doctors and scientists. What do they know?

http://www.cdc.gov/phpr/zombies.htm - They know how to be prepared for a zombie outbreak.

 

[MaxStout]

http://www.cdc.gov/phpr/zombies.htm - They know how to be prepared for a zombie outbreak.

Hey now! Zombie preparedness is serious stuff!

 

[TimH]

You missed the entire point of my post.

At 0.06, I felt totally unqualified to drive. I would never get behind the wheel feeling like I did, and yet legally, I was within the limit.

Thus, I don't believe it's possible for a normal person to be EVEN MORE drunk, and yet "feel fine."

People do it all the time. Im just pointing out to the smoker whiners (which I don't smoke) There is to sides to every coin and opinion from every mouth. They are complaining about smoking while someone in the world is complaining about some one home brewing. People just need to let people be free I mean we are in America right?

 

[TheCADJockey]

People just need to let people be free I mean we are in America right?

Why didn't you say so in the first place? That would've rendered everyone else's point invalid.

 

[TimH]

Why didn't you say so in the first place? That would've rendered everyone else's point invalid.

LOL because I was bored.

 

[ifnotuthenwho]

No trying to prove a point. Just trying to rile up all the liberal whiners that think they can tell people what to do because "they" don't like it. I don't even smoke just cant stand whiners. To many americans these days think the world evolves around them. Just remember there are people just as passionate about stopping our right to drink as you whiners are about stopping smoking. No one ever lit up a cigarette and went driving and killed a whole family. besides I'm sure all these suv's and trucks have more to do with those deaths than second hand smoke.

I definitely don't qualify as a liberal; about as far away as you can be. If you want to smoke in your own home, your own car, or other private places, go for it. And if you can come up with an invention that keeps your smoke within the bubble of air in your personal space, I'd say smoke anywhere you want. But until that time, my opinion is that you don't have the right to pollute my air or make my clothes smell like crap.

 

[slym2none]

People do it all the time. Im just pointing out to the smoker whiners (which I don't smoke) There is to sides to every coin and opinion from every mouth. They are complaining about smoking while someone in the world is complaining about some one home brewing. People just need to let people be free I mean we are in America right?

I get it. Anyone who doesn't agree with you is a "whiner" and a "liberal".

This is no discussion. It's not an argument. It's your way or the highway.

I'll gladly take the highway. Later!

 

[TimH]

I definitely don't qualify as a liberal; about as far away as you can be. If you want to smoke in your own home, your own car, or other private places, go for it. And if you can come up with an invention that keeps your smoke within the bubble of air in your personal space, I'd say smoke anywhere you want. But until that time, my opinion is that you don't have the right to pollute my air or make my clothes smell like crap.

Doubt that. But until you can keep your vehicles pollution in its little bubble you don't have the right to pollute my air either.

 

[TimH]

I get it. Anyone who doesn't agree with you is a "whiner" and a "liberal".

This is no discussion. It's not an argument. It's your way or the highway.

I'll gladly take the highway. Later!

Ok have a nice day! :rockin:

 

[MaxStout]

Doubt that. But until you can keep your vehicles pollution in its little bubble you don't have the right to pollute my air either.

Where do you keep coming up with these wacky analogies? I read your post and almost sprayed coffee all over my keyboard. Too funny! :cross:

 

[TimH]

Where do you keep coming up with these wacky analogies? I read your post and almost sprayed coffee all over my keyboard. Too funny! :cross:

Its meant to be funny LOL

 

[Remmy]

I get it. Anyone who doesn't agree with you is a "whiner" and a "liberal".

This is no discussion. It's not an argument. It's your way or the highway.

I'll gladly take the highway. Later!

Pet peeve.

 

[m00ps]

Not that it makes it any less unpleasant, but I try to be a little more understanding with long-term homeless folks who don't have regular access to showers or laundry. But smoking, alcoholism, drugs and mental illness don't help.

I have far less patience for people who are just gross by choice for whatever reason. Massive BO, halitosis, hippies reeking of patchouli oil and rank dreads, people you can tell by smell haven't wiped properly, you name it.

Here's my anthem on the topic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0xDGXotGIE

Haha, love Del

Brush yo teef, if ya must

 

[TexasDroughtBrewery]

Eh. I wouldn't imagine this is a fact. Doing anything while driving other than driving is funking dangerous. Which leads me to my biggest pet peeves:

- People that do anything other than drive, while driving.
- People that think they are good drivers.
- Drivers that think they are traffic police.

This is what I tell my wife and friends especially ones with motorcycles. You don't have to be a bad driver to get in a wreck, and if you think your too good of a driver to get in a wreck...even worse. People really do say things like this. "dude i can drive in this shyte weather im a great driver"

 

[OneManBrewery]

Why didn't you say so in the first place? That would've rendered everyone else's point invalid.

That's the ultimate trump card.

 

[TheCADJockey]

This is what I tell my wife and friends especially ones with motorcycles.

Everyone at work gets in these huge pissing contests about all the bad Canadian drivers that suddenly appear on "our" roads when the weather gets crappy. Talking about how they need to just get out of our way and stop driving like wimps. I've caught a ride to lunch with a few of these guys that brag so much. On a 5 minute drive to a diner, they spend 4 minutes fussing with their XM radio or cell phone. It's okay though. They're awesome drivers. My friend was one of these great drivers. Sent me a text saying 'sup' right about the same time he went into a ditch, hit a tree and was nearly impaled by the steering column.

 

[Kharnynb]

Alcohol-Related Crashes: In 2013, 10,076 people were killed in alcohol-impaired driving crashes (any fatal crash involving a driver with a blood-alcohol content (BAC) of 0.08 percent or higher), down 2.5 percent from 10,336 in 2012. Of the persons who were killed in traffic crashes in 2013, 31 percent died in alcohol-impaired driving crashes. In 2010, drunk driving alone accounted for 18% of the total economic loss from motor vehicle crashes, costing the economy as much as $199 billion in direct and quality-of-life losses (NHTSA).

People that drink are much more dangerous to other peoples health than second smoke. Not saying that you guys would do this but I'm sure every single person on here has drivin legally drunk before. Much worse than smokers

Hell no, If i drive, i don't drink, not even a glass with dinner.
It's a very simple rule, that i've had ever since i've been driving, better safe than sorry.

 

[Schlenkerla]

Where do you keep coming up with these wacky analogies? I read your post and almost sprayed coffee all over my keyboard. Too funny! :cross:

The answer. >0.08. LOL

 

[Hamaki]

Crap, had to work today & missed out on all the fun.

My point, and I guess a pet peeve, is the statement that liver disease linked to alcohol consumption kills more (or was it quicker?) than secondhand smoke. I thought it was unsupported and demonstrably false. I could be wrong.

I trust most CDC data; I kinda have to for my job and stuff. So when they derive numbers for deaths related to second hand smoke at roughly 40,000 per year and chronic liver disease deaths associated with alcohol consumption at about 20,000 per year I go with it. Not saying anyone has to agree; check facts for yourself with sources you trust.

I don't think I'm whining about smokers rights or lack thereof. Just countering what I viewed as incorrect info without support.

 

[beergolf]

But you cannot get secondhand liver disease.....

 

[Zuljin]

But you cannot get secondhand liver disease.....

Ha! My beer is so strong, it gets people next to me drunk!

 

[beergolf]

Ha! My beer is so strong, it gets people next to me drunk!

Damn you must use some fairy dust, magic turbo yeast.

My beer only gets me drunk,

 

[MaxStout]

Ha! My beer is so strong, it gets people next to me drunk!

I think that needs to be tested to confirm it. Better send me a few bottles. Y'know, for science.

 

[Zuljin]

I should brew an American lager soon. May as well make winter good for something.

 

[sudbuddy]

What winter? This has been awesome!