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cbeer88 said:
Yes. I don't think people realize just how much Heady is sold to people from MA by the truckload, including tons of bars and restaurants bootlegging regularly. Even with a case limit, most people drive up there with more than one person.
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Exactly. It was basically an unofficial distribution network.
 
stupac2 said:
I think people underestimate how much this will reduce the demand nearby. If finding it is a PITA and getting a case even worse, those day trippers from Mass (or wherever) are just going to stop hunting for it the same way.
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Maybe. But as a day/2 day tripper, honestly I'm making the trip for HF. Alchemist is just a bonus on the trip. It won't make me take any less trips. At best, maybe I'll only hit 3 stores that each have a one 4-pack limit each. I'm still going to be in the area just as often. Not sure this will cut my demand at all
 
vonnegut21 said:
Maybe. But as a day/2 day tripper, honestly I'm making the trip for HF. Alchemist is just a bonus on the trip. It won't make me take any less trips. At best, maybe I'll only hit 3 stores that each have a one 4-pack limit each. I'm still going to be in the area just as often. Not sure this will cut my demand at all
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You'd be surprised how many people go up just for Heady cans and turn right back around. The problem with HF for day trippers is it adds another couple of hours driving, so it's not exactly a convenient quick stop.

I personally agree with you - I've gotten zero Heady on my last two trips up there, and I'm fine with that. I've had tons of it and there is plenty floating around Boston bars if I really need a fix.

But, this will absolutely cut down on the bootleggers and lower the number of "tourists" making the trip to the area.
 
cbeer88 said:
You'd be surprised how many people go up just for Heady cans and turn right back around. The problem with HF for day trippers is it adds another couple of hours driving, so it's not exactly a convenient quick stop.
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YEP. When I leave the house to buy beer, 4 out of 5 times I choose HFS over Alchemist simply because of HFS variety where I can fill up my beer bag with 2-3 different styles and the I-91 North drive has zero traffic like none.

going to both? I did it last week and it really does suck. Luckily, I love books on tape.

HFS & Alchemist and then back home
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Just HFS
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Since I take this drive every 2 weeks, I really have to choose which one I hit. Usually, Alchemist is only the choice if I'm going to Prohibition Pig for dinner or have extra cash to hit Hunger Mountain Co-op and buy some cheese or other Shelton distroed beers.
 
cbeer88 said:
I personally agree with you - I've gotten zero Heady on my last two trips up there, and I'm fine with that. I've had tons of it and there is plenty floating around Boston bars if I really need a fix.
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Probably won't be anymore (which is a good thing, IMO).
 
I'm glad I decided to switch my trip to this weekend and not the 16/17th... that would have been a devastating moment for me
 
stxSS07 said:
What is it with people from the NE area hating other humans?? People turn around in my driveway all the time. No one cares.

Loser.
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Why do you think we live up here? I could not see another person and be fine with it. I choose to live way out in the middle of nowhere and most Vermonters are the same. Very insulated.

Waterbury is way more busy than where I live but honestly, if more than 1 car drove past an hour, I'd have a perceived feeling that would lead to me to say, "jeez, this place is getting busy. I should move"

Now, 2-3 cars an hour isn't a big deal but I chose this place because there's no people or traffic, I can do whatever I want and there's no one around. more traffic means more problems and the lifestyle i bought into being affected.

So for this resident, things are changing. I went to the Hill Farmstead town hall meeting for the expansion approval to show my support. Trust me when I say that despite shaun hill creating jobs, raising money for charity, bringing sales and property tax money into the city coffers, there were still protesters. a depressed area where unemployment is high and most people live below poverty were against HFS because their way of live is being altered.
 
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Yeah, this news going mainstream is really going to keep people from driving up and spending tourism dollars in the state and area :rolleyes:
 
I'm also wondering (read to lazy to look it up myself) if the Kimmich's purchased an existing building for the cannery or they built it themselves. If it's the former the neighbors couldn't possibly think that a dormant warehouse/big building so close to their property would stay unoccupied forever. For those that have been to the cannery are the neighbors all that close or are they "Vermont close"? In Chicago your neighbor's house is a foot away. Is the closest house to the cannery 30-40 yards away?
 
stupac2 said:
I think I can speak for reasonable people everywhere when I say that I wouldn't notice or care.
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It seems that those of us saying they wouldn't notice or care are from urban areas. I lived Vermont for the majority of my life and there's a much different expectation of privacy/insulation in rural VT and most rural places for that matter.
 
Treebs said:
I'm also wondering (read to lazy to look it up myself) if the Kimmich's purchased an existing building for the cannery or they built it themselves. If it's the former the neighbors couldn't possibly think that a dormant warehouse/big building so close to their property would stay unoccupied forever. For those that have been to the cannery are the neighbors all that close or are they "Vermont close"? In Chicago your neighbor's house is a foot away. Is the closest house to the cannery 30-40 yards away?
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Good point, but there is a difference between a small factory/warehouse that doesn't have tons of retail traffic and one that does.
 
Aaron from the Wood said:
It seems that those of us saying they wouldn't notice or care are from urban areas. I lived Vermont for the majority of my life and there's a much different expectation of privacy/insulation in rural VT and most rural places for that matter.
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****, I've lived in a large metro my whole life. I'd be annoyed as hell if people turned around in my driveway 26 times in a half hour.
 
Arbitrator said:
No, you're speaking for beer drinkers everywhere. I can see why a neighbor would be annoyed, and the law would likely be on her side.
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No, I'm not speaking as a beer drinker. I really loathe people who think that they should be able to control what other people do on their property. If this woman is really so incensed about people turning around in her driveway, put up a fence/gate. People turn around in driveways all the time, I literally saw someone do it in mine last night, and couldn't care less about it.

EDIT: People who would care about this, how would you even notice? The only reason I saw the guy last night was because I was out there taking out the trash when he did it. Most of the time I'd never notice, and my house hardly has thick walls or anything. That's what I don't understand, this woman sounds like she sits at her window all day calling the police every time she notices something weird.
 
stupac2 said:
No, I'm not speaking as a beer drinker. I really loathe people who think that they should be able to control what other people do on their property. If this woman is really so incensed about people turning around in her driveway, put up a fence/gate. People turn around in driveways all the time, I literally saw someone do it in mine last night, and couldn't care less about it.

EDIT: People who would care about this, how would you even notice? The only reason I saw the guy last night was because I was out there taking out the trash when he did it. Most of the time I'd never notice, and my house hardly has thick walls or anything. That's what I don't understand, this woman sounds like she sits at her window all day calling the police every time she notices something weird.
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I understand your concern, but people don't own property in a vacuum. Neighboring property owners often have competing interests, which is fine until one of those interests unfairly invades on the other's interest. I've never been to Alchemist so I don't know the nature of the properties involved, but I can certainly imagine a set of facts where the neighbor has the better argument here.
 
Sorry stupac2 I notice every time a car goes by my house. I notice when it's a car that's not one of the 10 people that live on our 5 mile long dirt road. I notice with 2-3 more deer are in my yard than there normally are and if my dog barks outside a little longer than usual 2-3 times I know something is up and I go outside with my pistol because it could be a predator, coyotes, maybe even a skunk (dogs + skunks OMG) I've had 2 bears in my yard that started to setup camp and you don't want that either.

We're talking about Vermont here...not Oakland where people don't just turn around in driveways.

Waterbury with it's 1 mile long "downtown" that has 10 shops is considered a city by Vermont standards but the people there still have an assumed level of privacy and "get the hell away from me" mentality.
 
stupac2 said:
No, I'm not speaking as a beer drinker. I really loathe people who think that they should be able to control what other people do on their property.
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Please clarify "their." Do you mean:

- people x who try to control people y on property owned by people y? Because there are numerous reasons that should be in place (see child porn, domestic abuse, etc.) But that's not applicable here.
- people x who try to control people y on property owned by people x? Because that's the whole point of owning property and being able to tell people to get off your lawn. You loathe property ownership rights? Ok...

If this woman is really so incensed about people turning around in her driveway, put up a fence/gate.
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My feeling is that is what the lawsuit would have been about, and who should pay for that.

People turn around in driveways all the time, I literally saw someone do it in mine last night, and couldn't care less about it.
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Oakland (or other CA city) driveway is not the same as a VT suburb driveway. I wouldn't mind what you are talking about. I've seen your driveway, and your expectations of privacy are probably substantially different from what a person living there would have.
 
Adam Jackson said:
Sorry stupac2 I notice every time a car goes by my house. I notice when it's a car that's not one of the 10 people that live on our 5 mile long dirt road. I notice with 2-3 more deer are in my yard than there normally are and if my dog barks outside a little longer than usual 2-3 times I know something is up and I go outside with my pistol because it could be a predator, coyotes, maybe even a skunk (dogs + skunks OMG) I've had 2 bears in my yard that started to setup camp and you don't want that either.

We're talking about Vermont here...not Oakland where people don't just turn around in driveways.

Waterbury with it's 1 mile long "downtown" that has 10 shops is considered a city by Vermont standards but the people there still have an assumed level of privacy and "get the hell away from me" mentality.
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So people in Vermont are paranoid and ********? Glad I only go up for the beer ;)
 
Osyrus said:
Yeah, this news going mainstream is really going to keep people from driving up and spending tourism dollars in the state and area :rolleyes:
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There are people over on BA who think this move by The Alchemist will hurt the other small businesses of Waterbury. Talk about self centered BA ********.
 
Adam Jackson said:
Sorry stupac2 I notice every time a car goes by my house. I notice when it's a car that's not one of the 10 people that live on our 5 mile long dirt road. I notice with 2-3 more deer are in my yard than there normally are and if my dog barks outside a little longer than usual 2-3 times I know something is up and I go outside with my pistol because it could be a predator, coyotes, maybe even a skunk (dogs + skunks OMG) I've had 2 bears in my yard that started to setup camp and you don't want that either.

We're talking about Vermont here...not Oakland where people don't just turn around in driveways.

Waterbury with it's 1 mile long "downtown" that has 10 shops is considered a city by Vermont standards but the people there still have an assumed level of privacy and "get the hell away from me" mentality.
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A lot of these in Vermont these days?
 
Adam Jackson said:
Sorry stupac2 I notice every time a car goes by my house. I notice when it's a car that's not one of the 10 people that live on our 5 mile long dirt road. I notice with 2-3 more deer are in my yard than there normally are and if my dog barks outside a little longer than usual 2-3 times I know something is up and I go outside with my pistol because it could be a predator, coyotes, maybe even a skunk (dogs + skunks OMG) I've had 2 bears in my yard that started to setup camp and you don't want that either.

We're talking about Vermont here...not Oakland where people don't just turn around in driveways.

Waterbury with it's 1 mile long "downtown" that has 10 shops is considered a city by Vermont standards but the people there still have an assumed level of privacy and "get the hell away from me" mentality.
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Yeah, people move to places like Waterbury or Hanover or where ever to get away from stuff like that. One car once in awhile is no biggie, but dozens a day?
 
Sounds like the brewery needs better signage. Although I don't remember having any difficulty finding it...
 
sacrelicio said:
Yeah, people move to places like Waterbury or Hanover or where ever to get away from stuff like that. One car once in awhile is no biggie, but dozens a day?
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Exactly. This is where I live

https://www.google.com/maps?q=lyme+...5&t=h&hnear=Lyme,+Grafton,+New+Hampshire&z=18

Love it up here. if I opened a brewery (those poor people drinking my shitty beer), all 10 people that live around me would have a huge problem with it which is what Hill Farmstead deals with. I really thought Alchemist was immune to it though. With Ben & Jerry's right next door, I didn't think traffic was that bad?

Oh well sorry to post so much in here. Just not many people realize how rural it is up here.
 

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