Styrian Goldings substitute?

homebrewdad · Feb 3, 2012

AHS does not have this hop currently listed on their site. I see Fuggle and Williamette as potential substitutes, but the alpha acids are lower for both.

Would Kent Goldings (same 5.4 alpha) be a bad choice? I don't expect to get much flavor or aroma from these hops, as I'm using them only at the 60 minute point (bittering).

Also - please forgive my noobish question. Thanks!

prrriiide · Feb 3, 2012

homebrewdad said:
AHS does not have this hop currently listed on their site. I see Fuggle and Williamette as potential substitutes, but the alpha acids are lower for both.

Would Kent Goldings (same 5.4 alpha) be a bad choice? I don't expect to get much flavor or aroma from these hops, as I'm using them only at ther 60 minute point (bittering).

Also - please forgive my noobish question. Thanks!

Styrian Goldings are not really good bittering hops. They're all flavor and aroma. EKGs are a good substitute, and Styrian Goldings are actually Fuggles grown in Slovenia. However, that is where their similarities pretty much end. All of the above mentioned hops are considered primarily aroma hops, and will add very little in the way of bittering to your beer without using a lot of them. If you don't mind that, then yes, both of your suggestions are good subs.

chickypad · Feb 3, 2012

I am running into same issue getting ready to brew a rye saison. Someone suggested Glacier to me.

homebrewdad · Feb 3, 2012

prrriiide said:
Styrian Goldings are not really good bittering hops. They're all flavor and aroma. EKGs are a good substitute, and Styrian Goldings are actually Fuggles grown in Slovenia. However, that is where their similarities pretty much end. All of the above mentioned hops are considered primarily aroma hops, and will add very little in the way of bittering to your beer without using a lot of them. If you don't mind that, then yes, both of your suggestions are good subs.

I think that you may have missed the point of my question. I wasn't asking how suitable Styrian Goldings were for bittering, or what hops would be more bitter. I was asking about substitutes for this hop when used for bittering.

My recipe (a Belgian blonde) calls for a little under two ounces of Styrian Goldings hops (5.4% alpha) added at 60 minutes. However, AHS is apparently out of them right now.

I am aware that Fuggles are genetically related (and are suggested as a substitute), but they are only 4.2% alpha, and Williamette (another suggestion) are only 4.0%.

Since I'm adding these at the 60 minute point, is there a reason to not go with Kent Goldings? I understand that the flavor/aroma profile is not the same, but the alpha is idential (5.4%). Were I adding these later in the boil, I'd probably just go with Fuggles, but I'm not.

Am I overlooking something? Are the Kent Goldings radically different in some way that I'm not considering?

chickypad said:
I am running into same issue getting ready to brew a rye saison. Someone suggested Glacier to me.

Nice suggestion. I see that Glacier is a 5.6 alpha, and has Styrian Goldings as a suggested substitute for it. Perhaps I should just go with glacier and call it a day, since it is apparently very similar overall (not just in alpha).

HOPCousin · Feb 3, 2012

Depending on who you talk too. Bittering hops in fact do lend a flavor to the beer. So you want to find a bittering hop that is close in flavor the hop your trying to substitute. Styrian goldings, fuggles, and willamette are all genetically related and you would find similar flavors imparted from them. So feel free to use one of those three as your bittering hop and just adjust for your target ibu's.

prrriiide · Feb 3, 2012

homebrewdad said:
Since I'm adding these at the 60 minute point, is there a reason to not go with Kent Goldings? I understand that the flavor/aroma profile is not the same, but the alpha is idential (5.4%). Were I adding these later in the boil, I'd probably just go with Fuggles, but I'm not.

Am I overlooking something? Are the Kent Goldings radically different in some way that I'm not considering?

In that case, you should be fine. The profiles are different, yes, but there are also some flavor similarities to the two. So yes, KGs would be a decent sub for you.